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#51 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/21/2011 12:04:45 PM | message detail
Are you honestly saying Modern Warefare 3 would be in the top 5? I'm sorry but it wouldn't even be close. I'd take Dark Souls to beat MW3 on this site 1v1 easily.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3727

Uncharted 2 and Dragon Age both beat Dark Souls. MW3 shouldn't be as strong as the 2nd, but I don't see why it can't at least go even if not beat Dark Souls. I think you're really overestimating it.
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#52 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/21/2011 3:33:21 PM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #050
Oh, and the x-stats that Leonhart posted...

1. Link vs. Ganondorf – 50.00%
2. Mario vs. Bowser – 42.28%
3. Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth – 41.74%
4. Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Pokemon Trainer Blue – 37.51%
5. Solid Snake vs. Liquid Snake – 31.62%
6. Ryu vs. Ken Masters – 29.98%
7. Samus Aran vs. Ridley – 29.58%
8. Mega Man X vs. Zero – 28.19%
9. Big Boss vs. The Boss – 27.52%
10. Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion – 26.67%
11. Crono vs. Lavos – 26.08%
12. Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Dr. Robotnik – 24.88%
13. Mega Man vs. Dr. Wily – 24.74%
14. Chris Redfield vs. Albert Wesker – 23.90%
15. Terra Branford vs. Kefka Palazzo – 23.19%
16. Alucard vs. Dracula – 22.40%
17. Tidus vs. Jecht – 22.22%
18. Fox McCloud vs. Wolf O’Donnell – 21.00%
19. Frog vs. Magus – 20.94%
20. Pac-Man vs. Blinky – 20.47%
21. Chell vs. GLaDOS – 20.31%
22. Squall Leonhart vs. Seifer Almasy – 19.91%
23. Sora vs. Riku – 19.63%
24. Lloyd Irving vs. Kratos Aurion – 19.50%
25. Phoenix Wright vs. Miles Edgeworth – 19.41%
26. Kratos vs. Zeus – 19.38%
27. Dante vs. Vergil – 19.30%
28. Donkey Kong vs. K. Rool – 18.94%
29. Kirby vs. Meta Knight – 18.81%
30. Raiden vs. Vamp – 18.38%
31. Jim Raynor vs. Sarah Kerrigan – 17.32%
32. Gordon Freeman vs. Dr. Breen – 16.87%
33. Zidane Tribal vs. Kuja – 16.77%
34. Ness vs. Giygas – 16.63%
35. Luigi vs. Waluigi – 16.53%
36. Ike vs. Black Knight – 16.51%
37. Commander Shepard vs. Saren Arterius – 16.47%
38. Yuna vs. Seymour Guado – 16.40%
39. Amaterasu vs. Orochi – 16.31%
40. William B.J. Blazkowicz vs. Adolf Hitler – 15.63%
41. Jill Valentine vs. Nemesis – 15.62%
42. Ezio Auditore da Firenze vs. Rodrigo Borgia – 15.08%
43. Crash Bandicoot vs. Dr. Neo Cortex – 14.93%
44. Cecil Harvey vs. Golbez – 14.79%
45. Arthas Menethil vs. Illidian – 14.70%
46. Leon Kennedy vs. Ada Wong – 14.28%
47. Conker vs. The Great Mighty Poo – 13.40%
48. Katherine vs. Catherine – 13.38%
49. Siegfried Schtauffen vs. Nightmare – 13.24%
50. Bartz Klauser vs. Gilgamesh – 12.85%
51. Earthworm Jim vs. Queen Slug-for-a-Butt – 12.38%
52. Meat Boy vs. Dr. Fetus – 11.87%
53. Ramza Beoulve vs. Delita Hyral – 11.73%
54. The Kid vs. The Guy – 11.46%
55. Banjo vs. Gruntilda – 11.14%
56. Captain Falcon vs. Black Shadow – 11.03%
57. Ratchet vs. Dr. Nefarious – 11.01%
58. Tom Nook vs. Crazy Redd – 10.73%
59. Laharl vs. Mid-Boss – 10.49%
60. Professor Layton vs. Don Paolo – 10.03%
61. Dan Hibiki vs. Sagat – 9.94%
62. Vyse vs. Galcian – 9.89%
63. Guybrush Threepwood vs. LeChuck – 9.20%
64. Sol Badguy vs. Ky Kiske – 6.72%


Aside from Squall's division, they actually look pretty good to me. Everything else I could at least consider being accurate. (aside from Lloyd/Kratos). Adjusting Mario or the Trainers makes the numbers look worse to me.

So, for the most "official" stats, I vote simply adjusting Cloud/Sephiroth vs. Squall/Seifer and leaving everything else alone. At least everyone can agree on that. Moving Mario up 1-2% or something just because we are positive of Link/Mario SFF, though....I just don't think it's significant enough to really warrant doing an adjustment.


Sonic and Mega Man should probably be brought up somehow, given how badly they were roflstomped. No idea how that would be accomplished though.

Also, I can't express how happy I am with how high X/Zero ended up despite being fed to Mario (and subsequently to Link). They're probably a top 5 team in the bracket in proper stats. I'd have taken them over the Snakes now that we saw how crappy Cloud looked.
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#53 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/21/2011 5:03:07 PM | message detail
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#54 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/21/2011 5:51:35 PM | message detail
X-stats seem okay.Of course you can never have a clear result with these things but eh.Also amazing how only TWO rivalries break 41% on Link!Man is he strong.
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#55 | foxhead84 | Posted 12/21/2011 6:11:44 PM | message detail | (edited)
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Also, suppose I should change my sig

past guru champ should be exempted from this but yeah... at least you keep the "GotD" title for at least nine more years!!!

Edit: and Congrats to SuperNiceDog!!! You will hopefully keep the "Rivalry Rumble" title FOREVER... XD
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#56 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 7:38:01 PM | message detail
Poll schedule for the next few days:

12/22/2011 - I don't know. Probably an original poll idea.
12/23/2011 - I don't know. Probably an original poll idea.
12/24/2011 - 'Twas the night before Christmas, and what are you doing?
12/25/2011 - What did you get for Christmas (or another December holiday)?
12/26/2011 - Got 3DS?
12/27/2011 - Got PlayStation 3?
12/28/2011 - Got Wii?
12/29/2011 - Got Xbox 360?

It seems like Bacon won't be doing "Got DS?", "Got PSP?", or "Got iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad?" right after Christmas. I guess he dropped some of the "Got Console?" polls this year in preparation for the release of the Wii U and Vita in North America.
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#57 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 7:38:45 PM | message detail

From: -LusterSoldier- | #056
I guess he dropped some of the "Got Console?" polls


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#58 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 7:40:32 PM | message detail
Though next year, he'll have "Got Wii U?" and "Got Vita?" right after Christmas using the extra spots left over from dropping 3 of the "Got Console?" polls.
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#59 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/21/2011 7:44:56 PM | message detail
So basically, either the site gets asked what contest it wants in the next two polls, or we get a Most Attractive Character contest. >.>
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#60 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 7:45:38 PM | message detail

From: Kotetsu534 | #059
So basically, either the site gets asked what contest it wants in the next two polls, or we get a Most Attractive Character contest. >.>


Let's not rule out Favorite Couple!
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#61 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/21/2011 7:57:12 PM | message detail
Link/Zelda vs Tidus/Yuna finals.
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#62 | Xcarvenger | Posted 12/21/2011 8:00:29 PM | message detail
more like Link/Zelda vs Mario/Peach
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#63 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM | message detail
More like Phoenix/Iris vs. Link/Ruto.
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#64 | ejm5446 | Posted 12/21/2011 8:25:11 PM | message detail
I nominate Fang/Vanille.
#65 | The Raven 2 | Posted 12/21/2011 8:41:54 PM | message detail
So with Brian being revealed as an alt, there's a chance for me to finish as high as 2nd?! *crosses fingers and hopes everyone else had ****tier tiebreakers than I did.
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#66 | ZFS | Posted 12/21/2011 8:44:54 PM | message detail
6. Ryu vs. Ken Masters – 29.98%
7. Samus Aran vs. Ridley – 29.58%


redeemed


5. Solid Snake vs. Liquid Snake – 31.62%
9. Big Boss vs. The Boss – 27.52%


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#67 | pjbasis | Posted 12/21/2011 8:51:13 PM | message detail
Metal Gear rivalries are where they should be.

MGS1 > MGS3 > MGS4
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#68 | ZFS | Posted 12/21/2011 8:51:58 PM | message detail
Switch 3 and 1, then we're set!
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#69 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 8:53:00 PM | message detail
3 > 1 > 4/2

Just like the games
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#70 | pjbasis | Posted 12/21/2011 8:54:50 PM | message detail
MGS2 and SotC had "artsy" SFF.

MGS2 was gonna win the division...!
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#71 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 9:05:24 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1949
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4575

That's a bit better, I guess.
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#72 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 9:07:21 PM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #070
MGS2 and SotC had "artsy" SFF.

MGS2 was gonna win the division...!


When you're trying to say MGS2 got SFF'd by SOTC, then you know your argument is sunk.
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#73 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 9:10:26 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/21/2011 10:44:56 PM | message detail | quote
So basically, either the site gets asked what contest it wants in the next two polls, or we get a Most Attractive Character contest. >.>


If it didn't happen today, it probably won't happen tomorrow either.
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#74 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 9:12:57 PM | message detail
I would imagine tomorrow's poll will be something akin to "Do you plan to buy a Wii U?"
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#75 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2011 9:14:45 PM | message detail
I get the feeling we probably won't hear a thing from SB until it's time for the next contest.
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#76 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/21/2011 9:15:37 PM | message detail
Well, I'm hoping we can get a new contest early next year considering this Rivalry Rumble was almost like a mini-contest like the Villains Contest or the Series Contest.
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#77 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/21/2011 11:27:44 PM | message detail
So basically, either the site gets asked what contest it wants in the next two polls, or we get a Most Attractive Character contest

I'm optimistic that he's gonna pick up on the vibe that Rivalry Rumble mostly sucked and then revert back to "tried and true" - so either games or straight character.
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#78 | Glenn_and_Toad | Posted 12/21/2011 11:48:44 PM | message detail
I agree with the sentiments in the opener that we should make the most of the contest. I don't, however, feel that Batman has any chance whatsoever to beat Link. Batman's absolute ceiling is slightly above Arkham Asylum. Acting like throwing him and a bunch of weaker guys in and expecting them to do anything is ridiculous, and the only reason we're even discussing it is because everyone seems so desperate to find anyone who can possibly beat Link. This feels like a less extreme version of the WWF No Mercy hype that happened, where a small core of people who were passionate about a shared common interest managed to convince each other that the next great thing was about to happen before finding out that they thought very differently from the rest of the site and everything fell apart.
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#79 | JJH777 | Posted 12/22/2011 1:06:37 AM | message detail
^Lol no one really thought No Mercy was going to win it's match. They were just picking it on the incredibly small chance that it did happen because they liked the game and since it was just a 1 point match anyways it wasn't going to decide the winner of the contest (hell the guru winner missed that match).
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#80 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/22/2011 3:35:58 AM | message detail | (edited)

From: FateStayAlbion | #051
Are you honestly saying Modern Warefare 3 would be in the top 5? I'm sorry but it wouldn't even be close. I'd take Dark Souls to beat MW3 on this site 1v1 easily.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3727

Uncharted 2 and Dragon Age both beat Dark Souls. MW3 shouldn't be as strong as the 2nd, but I don't see why it can't at least go even if not beat Dark Souls. I think you're really overestimating it.




They both beat DEMON SOULS

Demon Souls =/= Dark Souls.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4454

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4476

DS is one of those games that got more popular after it came out. No doubt it's far stronger than Demons and certainly up there. I said it was 5th strongest, i didn't say the strongest.

Look at Assassin on there...and look at how the game was recieved. It isn't going to do as well as Brotherhood. Obviously Batman,Skyrim,Zelda and Portal are way ahead.

The only debate is hwo strong UC3 is. PS3 Exclusive Vs. Miltiplat. UC3 isn't going to be anywhere near as strong as UC2

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507



Hype polls don't mean anything. You have to see how games did in relation to their hype.

Some people thought FF13 would win GOTY just because it was FF last year. ME2 dominated the polls. I'm not overestimating it. All i'm saying is you have a Batch of games in Assassins, MW3, BF3, Uncharted 3, gears 3 and Dark Souls and for me Dark Souls is going to be the more popualr out of those, that's just my take.

USing 2 year old GOTY polls for completely different games is silly.
#81 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/22/2011 5:27:53 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/21/2011 2:49:45 PM | message detail | quote
Skyrim >> Zelda >> Uncharted 3 > MW3 = Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Skyrim will crush the multiplat poll(s), Zelda and Uncharted will make the final from their exclusive polls (along with Gears of War 3). If SBA's taking more than one multiplat game, then it's down to Portal 2 and Arkham City to fight it out.


I don't think he would do more than one multiplatform game in the first overall GotY poll (not the 3-way). Last year's GotY poll already had 11 games in it, and now we'll end up with another game because of the 3DS. He should drop the iPhone GotY poll, if he wants to keep it at 11 games, especially because we'll get the Wii U and Vita next year as well.

If we get another iPhone GotY poll, it will be painful to watch. The last one got under 26000 votes and site traffic is even worse compared to the start of 2011 when we had the GotY polls. Another iPhone GotY poll would be in the running to get less than 20000 votes.
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#82 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2011 6:02:04 AM | message detail
^Lol no one really thought No Mercy was going to win it's match. They were just picking it on the incredibly small chance that it did happen because they liked the game and since it was just a 1 point match anyways it wasn't going to decide the winner of the contest (hell the guru winner missed that match).

Rewriting history, sure it may be true for some people, but there were people that thought WWF No Mercy had a decent chance at winning.
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#83 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2011 9:49:56 AM | message detail
People who were actual fans of the game realized the game didn't have much of a chance.
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#84 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/22/2011 10:04:28 AM | message detail
http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k10&type=match&match=22

About half thought the match would be fairly close. No one expected PoR to win by as much as it did.
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#85 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2011 10:05:31 AM | message detail
Well, I wasn't expecting 70/30, to be sure. I didn't think POR itself would be that strong.
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#86 | Haste_2 | Posted 12/22/2011 10:14:58 AM | message detail
Most people didn't realize No Mercy would be that WEAK. =p The majority overestimated POR against Pokemon DPP the next round.
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#87 | shane15 | Posted 12/22/2011 10:48:28 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 12/22/2011 3:45:38 AM | #060
Let's not rule out Favorite Couple!


Squall and Rinoa 4 life tbh
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#88 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/22/2011 11:02:21 AM | message detail
Man, at least Smurf's trolling used to get people banned. This is just sad.
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#89 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/22/2011 12:58:01 PM | message detail
http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k10&type=match&match=22

WTF why does it have me with WWF at 57.43%, should be PoR at 57.43%.

Doesn't matter anyways.
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#90 | Haste_2 | Posted 12/22/2011 3:39:00 PM | message detail
I think this contest was slightly better than the 2006 series contest, so I don't think it was quite the worst one. I think the Trainers in and of themselves gave the Rivalry Rumble a redeeming quality. If you think otherwise, please give me an explanation, though I'd prefer you tell me something that was good about the series contest.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Sonic and Mega Man should probably be brought up somehow, given how badly they were roflstomped. No idea how that would be accomplished though.

Also, I can't express how happy I am with how high X/Zero ended up despite being fed to Mario (and subsequently to Link). They're probably a top 5 team in the bracket in proper stats. I'd have taken them over the Snakes now that we saw how crappy Cloud looked.


Sonic might be a touch too low, but I think Mega Man/Wily is fine. Sub-Zero/Scorp probably beats him in a non-nailbiter.
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#91 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2011 3:54:51 PM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #090
If you think otherwise, please give me an explanation, though I'd prefer you tell me something that was good about the series contest.


Pokemon/Metroid
Castlevania/Kingdom Hearts
Castlevania/Halo
Street Fighter/Resident Evil
Super Mario Bros./Final Fantasy
The Legend of Zelda/Final Fantasy

Six quality matches out of 31

About twice as many as the Rivalry Rumble had.
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#92 | pjbasis | Posted 12/22/2011 4:00:21 PM | message detail
Meh, I still count some of the R1 blowouts as good matches.

Hindsight, etc. but X/Zero going from 80 to 82 in the first or second update was great.

Chris/Wesker blowout was great!
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#93 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2011 4:01:19 PM | message detail
Well, if we want to talk epic blowouts, then the list would increase.

Pretty much every match FF, Mario, and Zelda had against opponents that weren't themselves would qualify.
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#94 | pjbasis | Posted 12/22/2011 4:02:15 PM | message detail
I'm talking blowouts that weren't done by FF, Mario and Zelda though!

Those are the ones to cherish.
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#95 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/22/2011 4:03:58 PM | message detail
Oh right, I also forgot about GTA/Warcraft.

And Mega Man/Mario Kart, for killing off yoblazer's account.
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#96 | SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 12/22/2011 4:06:39 PM | message detail
So how long until contest winners get some sort of official notification? I assume we get an email at some point?
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#97 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/22/2011 4:11:39 PM | message detail

From: SabrielAbhorsen | #096
So how long until contest winners get some sort of official notification? I assume we get an email at some point?


Oh cool, glad to know everybody else is uninformed too. Was worried I'd picked Fun entry, not Karma.
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#98 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/22/2011 4:11:47 PM | message detail
Well, "worried"
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#99 | HaRRicH | Posted 12/22/2011 6:03:40 PM | message detail
Haste_2 posted...
I think this contest was slightly better than the 2006 series contest, so I don't think it was quite the worst one. I think the Trainers in and of themselves gave the Rivalry Rumble a redeeming quality. If you think otherwise, please give me an explanation, though I'd prefer you tell me something that was good about the series contest.

Along with what Leon said, its champion was both a board-upset and in the closest championship we had (LoZ with 50.99%) until last year (LoZ:MM with 50.52%). It doesn't hurt that the Series Contest was built around a significantly better idea, either.
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#100 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 12/22/2011 6:09:14 PM | message detail
Hmm...I'm not entirely sure I like the way these x-stats shake out. See, one thing I've always found annoying about tournaments that work out exact "placements" using loser-bracket type games is that it can be very inaccurate. Take, for example, the various early-season tournaments that exist in NCAA basketball. We'll use this year's Maui Invitational as an illustrative example.

Day 1: First-round games
Duke 77, Tennessee 67
Michigan 73, Memphis 61
Kansas 67, Georgetown 63
UCLA 92, Chaminade 60

Day 2:
Winners' bracket:
Duke 82, Michigan 75
Kansas 76, UCLA 56

Losers' bracket:
Memphis 99, Tennessee 97 (2OT)
Georgetown 88, Chaminade 71

Day 3:
Seventh-place game: Tennessee 86, Chaminade 60
Fifth-place game: Georgetown 91, Memphis 88 (OT)
Third-place game: Michigan 79, UCLA 63
Championship Game: Duke 68, Kansas 61

They allegedly have a defined 1-8 order, but aside from the champion and the last-place finisher, nothing is really terribly defined. The third-place game winner lost their match to the champion, not the runner-up, so either one could easily be the true #2, and UCLA, which had the good fortune to draw the host team (who comes from a lower division and almost always finishes in 8th place) in the first round, goes 1-2 with both losses by large margins and finishes "4th", while Georgetown is 2-1 and is "5th". Madness. But let's look at the flipside, this year's Paradise Jam.

Opening rounds:
Norfolk State 61, Drexel 56
TCU 57, Virginia 55
Mississippi 63, Drake 59
Marquette 95, Winthrop 73

Winners' bracket:
Norfolk State 66, TCU 53
Marquette 96, Mississippi 66

Losers' bracket:
Virginia 49, Drexel 35
Drake 66, Winthrop 62

Seventh-place game: Drexel 68, Winthrop 45
Fifth-place game: Virginia 60, Drake 52
Third-place game: Mississippi 80, TCU 69
Championship Game: Marquette 59, Norfolk State 57

It's still not perfect because the seventh-place finisher lost to the fifth-place finisher, not the sixth-place finisher, and the second-place finisher beat the fourth-place finisher, not the third-place finisher, but...TCU, which came in fourth, got their lone win against Virginia, who came in fifth. So at the very least, the "1-2 for fourth place, 2-1 for fifth" problem is a non-issue. Which brings us back to why I object to these X-Stats...


1. Link vs. Ganondorf – 50.00%
2. Mario vs. Bowser – 42.28%
3. Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth – 41.74%
4. Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Pokemon Trainer Blue – 37.51%


Now, I know that in the x-stats, the runner-up isn't always even in second place, but in this contest, the final was the closest match that the champion had...and the winner of the third-place match was defeated by the loser of the championship match, so the 1-2-3-4 order should be somewhat concrete. I know, the very presence of a "third-place match" wrecks the idea of X-stats, because they're based on the idea that matches should be transitive even though they aren't, but the idea that the Pokémon Trainers could finish behind Cloud and Sephiroth in the X-stats despite having a direct head-to-head win seems ridiculous.
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