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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
I'm not sure if it's mentioned yet, but if Link/Gdorf wins the ultimate loser is Dan/Sagat. For some reason I find that funny. --- PSN: VeryInsane Steam: SuperVeryInsane XBL: ElectricRyan Wii: Some Random Numbered Friend Code. |
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Man,
I didn't expect the Trainers to do so well on Cloud/Sephiroth
yesterday. This will cause the stats to put Ryu/Ken and Samus/Ridley
over the Snakes! And....I have no calculator on hand, but it should put
Big Boss/The Boss almost even with Solid Snake/Liguid Snake! Here are
two possible explanations: 1)The Trainers overperformed on Cloud/Sephiroth (due to the Trainers' good showing combined with a low morale from FF7 fans) 2)Cloud/Sephiroth SFFed the Snakes.... could be very credible.... see Sephiroth vs. Liquid Snake, for instance. If #1 is the case, that could likely mean Linkondorf vs. Mowser has no SFF. But because I'm sure everyone will be so certain that there is SFF in today's match we would have no choice to side with option #2 or something else, hm? I'm not sure if it's mentioned yet, but if Link/Gdorf wins the ultimate loser is Dan/Sagat. Who's going to be at the bottom of the x-stats? Sol Badguy, probably? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
False. Seriously let the MArio/Sonic Rivalry thing ago. It's not 1992 anymore. It's not 1992 anymore but the voters still act like it's the 90's so Mario/Sonic should still be quite strong. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
With nostalgia in this site?I am sure that Link would barely beat them. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
If
Red/Blue can get strength based off the representation of their games,
Mario/Sonic can get strength from the representation of their
systems/companies in a similar way. Sonic beats Bowser and shouldn't be
as SFF'able, plus it may be the only rivalry that actively pulls from
multiple series at once (Super Mario, Sonic, and their
Olympic-games)...so I'd probably gamble on Mario/Sonic beating
Link/Ganon if we ever get that match. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Maybe we could have this poll as a bonus match?Mario/Sonic vs Link/Ganon? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Mario/Bowser
being stronger than Cloud/Sephiroth in a direct match with Link/Ganon
is far far more than I could have hoped for going into this contest so
uhh....woohoo. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #107 That may not hold at the rate we're going. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
From: LeonhartFour | #108 Even a close match is amazing. We need a 1v1 Character Battle minus Link ASAP Too many questions need answering. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
This
contest sucks ass. I sent Allen a feedback ticket congratulating him on
this massive failure of a contest he set up and advised him not to make
another contest again ever. --- ... |
From: abdou | #110 I sent Allen a feedback ticket saying I would go to where he lives and punch him in the face if he ever made another contest. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy IV (FF2US) http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3445328 |
That may not hold at the rate we're going. I'm hoping it doesn't. We've had so many blowouts that Link might as well take the record for most dominant win of a contest by %. I believe Sephiorth currently has it from the Villains Contest. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
So I haven't been following things the last few days. What are people thinking about in terms of adjusted x-stats? Because you could estimate Link/Mario SFF on Trainers/FF7, but I think that would be wrong because the Trainers were clearly stronger against FF7 than against Mario/Bowser. Looking at the updates, it looked like with the morning vote the FF7 duo was going to godstomp with the day vote and finish up with 52%+ easily. But once they threatened to take the lead the "barriers" went up and stayed that way the whole match. Clearly shenanigans - which means you can't adjust Link/Mario straight-up based on Trainers/FF7. So what SFF adjustment for the final match should be made? I'm thinking it should be based on FF7 getting 52%-53% on Trainers, because if the Trainers were static from the Mario match to the FF7 match it looks like that's what should have happened. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: TRE Public Account | #112 Link/Mario 2002? --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
I
don't see much reason to use Cloud/Trainers in X-Stat adjustments. Just
using these two results against Link would probably be more accurate
than that. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
From: LeonhartFour | #555 But there's clearly SFF going on in Link/Ganon vs. Mario/Bowser. I think if you base that adjustment on FF7 getting 52%-53% on Trainers it makes the most amount of sense. Because if the Trainers were static in strength from the Mario/Bowser match and the "barriers" didn't go up, that's what it looks like FF7 would have risen to. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: LinkMarioSamus | #081 For the first point, you can't use that defense for Mortal Kombat and then turn around and say you play Mario and Zelda games for the storyline. It just doesn't work. For the second point, there are a lot of things more significant to the MK storyline than Sub-Zero vs Scorpion. The tournaments as a whole, the outworld/earth conflict, whatever the crap keeps happening with Liu Kang (I'm pretty sure he's been killed and brought back to life 8 times now). It's pretty nuanced and then there's just the fact that there are dozens of playable characters putting even less focus on it. As for Pokemon doing so well, I feel Red/Blue represent all the Pokemon games, simply because the formula in those games changes so little. Final Fantasy is constantly evolving so Cloud/Seph doesn't resonate with fans of every game in the series. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Also other than these "no more contests" people, is anyone who wants another contest against the idea of including non-VG orginating fictionals? Too bad we're probably not going to get a bonus match with fictionals. I'm pretty sure Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan would get at least 35% on Link vs. Ganon (if not much higher), which puts them among the strongest pairs. And Batman vs. Joker probably 60/40's Vader/Obi-Wan. Would love to replace the weak half of the bracket - which is all fodder - with actual strong characters. Giving us a bracket much more "flat" in terms of strength, thus inevitably leading to closer matches and less blowouts. On top of new characters with zero data leading to high unpredictability. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
yay I won the guruuuu woot! Super nice! --- MMM... cookies |
^nominating the lion from lion king --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "I was wrong." - SmartMuffin |
no man gotta get my lugia in this!!! also gotta get my league of legends in dis! for ficitional gotta get my aragorn in dis --- MMM... cookies |
When
he says record domination matches on a contest,he means that all
matches were blowouts.Link in 2002 faced Cloud and won by a little.But
here his worst victory is this match which is 57.5%.That is impressive
to say the least.Also Sephiroth might hold the record it seems.His worst
victory was the final match which was 58.17% correct?I hope sure that
Link finishes with under 58 for Sephiroth to hold the record.Also
Clouderoth/Zelda had 59.000 votes and Clouderoth/Pokemon had 63.000
votes.Amazing how FF 7 still draws the most votes. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
SuperNiceDog posted... yay I won the guruuuu woot! Super nice! Congratulation... --- Congratulation to SuperNiceDog. Guru champ and Rivalry Rumble master |
Link never faced Cloud in 2002. Beat Sephiroth 56.65 I think that was the biggest challenge in that one. Villains contest Seph is the champion unless Link breaks 58.17 here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Oh yeah you are right.So if he gains 0.7 he did it?Well he will gain that. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
From: SuperNiceDog | #119 Disappointing that I won't be seeing my name in everyone's sig come tomorrow. Just hope you actually get a good contest to use your nom on, because mine was kind of wasted. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
creativename posted... Also other than these "no more contests" people, is anyone who wants another contest against the idea of including non-VG orginating fictionals? Right here...! It's weird to see the stance of taking the L+G/M+B-final over the R+B/C+S-third place match as the more legitimate source for basing the stats off of. I get that it's an official match, but the third-place match came in-between two real matches and lacks obvious SFF. We've seen time and time again how Mario falls directly against Link, so -- even if it's one of his best showings -- we should understand it's not likely to be accurate. This is the first time we can fix an SFF-match in the stats by using another match held within the same contest, and this affects half the bracket's numbers. I also don't buy the notion of discrediting Red/Blue's strength yesterday; Red/Blue impressed all contest while Cloud/Sephiroth had probably one impressive match, THEN the Trainers beat Cloud/Seph in a classic match with no bracket-votes to boot. It's hard to get more fair than that. This "over-performing" trend with Pokemon's been accused of it so often. Red/Blue, Charizard, Missingno, RBY, Pikachu, as a series -- these aren't all coincidences, and having your series "over-perform" in most contests since 2006 means your series has been getting stronger since 2006. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
There's absolutely no reason to use Link/Mario as the basis for the X-stats instead of Red/Cloud. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: Lopen | #124 Link won't let Sephiroth have anything, will he? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "I was wrong." - SmartMuffin |
People
are assuming Red is non-linear I'd imagine. I personally see no reason
for that except for trying to cling onto the idea that Cloud is the
third strongest in the bracket cause IT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH PREVIOUS
STATS. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Red
seemed pretty consistent to me. it might overrate his side a bit but
it's better than underrating him, I'd say. make the stats and eyeball
them. also, nobody cares about stats for this one-time only contest --- xyzzy |
When
we are talking about overperformance we are talking about specific
matches.I mean about Charizard he beat Bowser the day that the new
Pokemon game came out.So there it is.When Missigno beat Crono there was
massive rally.So there it is.When Red/Blue beat Clouderoth there was
against massive rally.You can see the total votes.So there it is.But
yeah of course Pokemon has gone stronger. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
creativename | Posted 12/20/2011 5:58:45 PM | message detail | quote Looking at the updates, it looked like with the morning vote the FF7 duo was going to godstomp with the day vote and finish up with 52%+ easily. But once they threatened to take the lead the "barriers" went up and stayed that way the whole match. Clearly shenanigans - which means you can't adjust Link/Mario straight-up based on Trainers/FF7. They weren't going to end up with over 52% here, because that requires them to pull in over 54% over the second half of the poll. And Cloud/Sephiroth only managed one hour over 54% during the match, and that was the final hour of the night vote. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Blew it all on a 1% bet of 56%-56.99% Blah you, Mario. --- 79/80 Spring Contest 2005 |
From: creativename | #116 Which doesn't change a whole lot anyway. Besides, who really cares about having 100% accurate X-Stats for a contest we'll (hopefully) never see again? --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
HG/SS
probably helped Charizard against Bowser, though he wasn't featured in
it and he still put up 46+% on Mario afterward. Missingno previously
killed a vote-in despite having Mudkip/Jigglypuff/Toad in the same
pictureless poll. Red/Blue at least earned a rally after their numerous
upset-thrashings compared to Cloud/Seph's under-whelming road to fourth
place. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
I
mean, seriously, you're basically arguing over Mario/Bowser and
Cloud/Sephiroth being virtual equals or Mario/Bowser beating
Cloud/Sephiroth with 52%. That's all the difference it'll make. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
The
idea of adjusting an entity below something it defeated is the ultimate
"I have preconceived notions I won't let go of" argument. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: KamikazePotato | #138 No matter what you do, the results of the last three matches will not add up. They just won't. You're going to have to put something in the stats that contradicts at least one of those results. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
I'm sorry, but what exactly about Red/Blue being equal to Cloud/Seph 'just doesn't add up'? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: HaRRicH | #607This "over-performing" trend with Pokemon's been accused of it so often. Red/Blue, Charizard, Missingno, RBY, Pikachu, as a series -- these aren't all coincidences, and having your series "over-perform" in most contests since 2006 means your series has been getting stronger since 2006. Except it's blatantly obvious that the Trainers were stronger in the FF7 match due to "barrier" rallying that they didn't get in the Mario vs. Bowser match. They were very obviously not the same entity. I mean it's just common sense that Mario vs. Bowser wouldn't beat Cloud vs. Sephiroth by 55+%. The match would be closer, but since Mario vs. Bowser would probably win comfortably no anti-FF7 rallying would be necessary. Thus they'd probably win with something like 52%-53%. Not 55.64%. If you adjust based on MvB getting 55.6% on Cloud/Seph, your numbers are going to be wrong. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: KamikazePotato | #140 Because this result also makes Mario/Bowser equal to Cloud/Sephiroth. You know, the Mario/Bowser that 55/45'd Red/Blue. I'm not really buying any significant SFF here, but if you want to, that's fine. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
From: KamikazePotato | #128 The whole point of x-stats is that they are used to valuate an entrant when they lose, not when they lose and have a second match just for fun. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... SuperNiceDog own me... in the Guru! |
And Red/Blue had more at the freeze on Cloud/Sephiroth than friggin' Link did. That result was not normal. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
Contradicting the one with a kind of SFF we've seen before is the safest bet. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
You're not buying ay significant SFF in Link/Mario? Really? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3854 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3856 This happened last year. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #143 I thought they were set to valuate an entrant's strength. --- ##Alec |
From: KamikazePotato | #146 Yeah, this isn't Link/Mario. As the percentages clearly indicate. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... And Red/Blue had more at the freeze on Cloud/Sephiroth than friggin' Link did. That result was not normal. Pokemon has had a ridiculous board vote in every one of its matches. Didn't it fall like 6% against Samus? It's seriously just ridiculous. People complain about Pokemon 'overperforming' ever year just because they can't get past the mental block they have concerning the series. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Yeah
ultimately the whole adjustment thing is just silly. I would just
leave everything 100% unadjusted because lol this format being used
again. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
