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Solfadore posted...
Do you think Link's bad performance might spring from the low votals? With high votals, people just naturally flock to Link and he trumps everything. Now, with very little people interested in that contest, we are left with the few that are actually tired of seeing Link win all the time. Would that explain why Mario is rocking (relatively speaking, of course) the night vote so far?

I'm guessing that would be canceled out due to bracket voters making up a larger percentage of the vote.

Bracket voting is all over the place in this match, though. Remember that people are aiming for a very specific range, and will vote according to that.
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There are only a few hundred that should realistically be concerned with the range.

Granted I'll buy a lot of voters being stupid but yeah. It still shouldn't be that high.
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There is sff. Rsff because nintendo fans realize mowser is the better rivalry and is getting more votes

Link still wins due to zelda fanboys. Shame. The contest had 1 last shot to redeem itself.
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If Nintendo fans were in fact doing what you say, Mario would be winning right now.
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To be fair, Mario/Bowser is the better rivalry of the two. I don't believe there is RSFF in action here, though. Rivalry factor, SFF and whatnot don't apply to THE LAW.
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Unless you believe Pokemon is nonlinear (or that Mario SFFed it) there is a bit (but not too much) SFF in Link's favor here.
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PartOfYourWorld posted...
From: pjbasis | #046
So this provs Mario enjoyed probably the greatest effect from the format.
I think the guy who went from struggling with Ocelot to struggling with Cloud takes that award lol

Oh right, besides him >_>
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This ain't rSFF, it's just Mario/Bowser being a lot stronger in this format.
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At least Mario/Bowser are beating Cloud/Sephiroth's percentage on Link/Dorf despite SFF, even if Link continues to rise.

Hey, I'll take what I can get.
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If Nintendo fans were in fact doing what you say, Mario would be winning right now.
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No. Did you read my 2nd part? Zelda as a franchise is more popular than mario sff or not

Also if you believe rivalry format is stronger for mario(which it is) then there is rsff involved.

Link got 64% against mario. Indirectly hevwas worth about 55-56%

Link will end up about 58% for this match. My point is people are voting for mario because of a better rivalry factor thats still rsff because they chose mario over link.

Obviously for mario to beat link it has to be major rsff and you cant swing that high
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The 10 vote margin yesterday, that's something like our... third closest match ever? Liquid > Alucard was 3, Frog > Chief was 7. Can't think of anything else.
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Yeah. It's kinda sad that I never felt like the winner was in any doubt, though. Kind of a sign that I've become jaded towards these things, I guess.
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10 votes in yesterday's match!Amazing.As for today I thought Link would get the doubling.Well there are still may hours left anyway.
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jacko_vdz posted...
This ain't rSFF, it's just Mario/Bowser being a lot stronger in this format.

Just a question: How many of you guys would agree that the Mario/Bowser rivalry represents Mario the franchise better than either character by himself does?

It isn't such an absurd thought. As Leonhart put it a while back, Mario the character, himself, is not really much of a character, and people like him and vote for him mostly out of being the face of Nintendo (and/or the face of all gaming) and for his abilities. However, Mario the series has Mario's name in it ("Super Mario Bros.") and clearly asserts that almost every core game in the series is about trying to undo the damage Bowser has done and ultimate best him in battle, maybe more than once. Add some power from the RPGs due to Bowser's character being more developed (in Leonhart's words, "RPG Bowser is awesome", plus I can't think of any other reason why Bowser and Luigi would be more popular than Mario himself on the board) there, and it isn't hard to see why the voters perceive the rivalry as being better representative of Mario the series.
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I've been saying this contest is basically just a proxy series contest (cept in the case of series that have multiple well defined rivalries within entries in the series that all have their own following) for a long time now. So in short, I agree to some extent.

I'm not sure Mario vs Bowser "better represents the series" but I think that's how people are voting it, anyway.
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To some extent, that could also be used to explain why rivalries from New Square took a seeming hit in this format - for instance, Final Fantasy VII is not about Cloud vs. Sephiroth to the extent that the Mario series is about Mario vs. Bowser or the Zelda series is about Link vs. Ganondorf.

In the latter case, Link and Ganondorf don't meet that often, sure, but technically most Zelda games are about building up to a final showdown with Ganon as far as the plot goes. Compare that to a Final Fantasy game, where there's generally a lot more going on than the mere conflict between hero and villain, or to a Metroid game, where Ridley is just some guy who appears by surprise and as a result, that's a rivalry that only hardcore fans of the series would understand - although clearly Metroid is a franchise that lives and dies by its hardcore fans.

I don't want to do much analysis on this, but I came up with all this pretty quickly so there.
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There is a CD-i Link picture after all!Nice.
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I'd sort of like to see a Mario/Bowser versus Mario/Donkey Kong poll.

OK, not really since SFF would render it meaningless. But some sort of Mario/DK poll would be good, since that's arguably the strongest rivalry not to make the contest.

I think Final Fantasy VII is as much or more about Cloud vs Seph than Mario vs Bowser or Ganondorf vs Link are representative of their respective series.

The issue there is that it's representative of Final Fantasy VII, and Final Fantasy VII alone, whereas the Nintendo guys are representative of an entire series.
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Lopen posted...
I think Final Fantasy VII is as much or more about Cloud vs Seph than Mario vs Bowser or Ganondorf vs Link are representative of their respective series.

The issue there is that it's representative of Final Fantasy VII, and Final Fantasy VII alone, whereas the Nintendo guys are representative of an entire series.

Shinra, the lifestream, Jenova's threat, & and the whole theme of sacrifice for power / whats worth saving was a lot more representative of Final Fantasy VII to me rather than the cloud/sephiroth feud.
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I think that's a weird opinion to have. Jenova and the lifestream more significant than Sephiroth? Really?

But I mean even if you go that way, you could say the same things about like... exploration and puzzle solving in Zelda, and obtaining stars or whatever in later Mario games, so yeah.
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Lopen posted...
I think that's a weird opinion to have. Jenova and the lifestream more significant than Sephiroth? Really?

But I mean even if you go that way, you could say the same things about like... exploration and puzzle solving in Zelda, and obtaining stars or whatever in later Mario games, so yeah.

"rather than the cloud/sephiroth feud"
"cloud/sephiroth feud"
"feud"

*spoilers*
Yeah forgive me if I find the thematic material a little more important within FFVII over cloud's/seph's feud. Is it really so surprising? Further more without Jenova ...sephiroth who? And the lifestream was not only a big focus throughout the story and its background and most other subsequent stories, but was a deciding factor in the outcome at the end. Pretty damn significant if you ask me. And you're linking story references to game-play activities while defining characters and their representation within a game/series? Ok, lol.
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But Sephiroth's main bit when antagonizing the party is "you're a puppet Cloud ha ha." The only time Sephiroth isn't screwing with Cloud when you encounter him is when he's off doing his own thing.

And yeah Mario and Zelda games are less plot driven so I'm not sure why bringing up gameplay elements is a bad thing here!
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I'll reiterate so it's more clear what I'm trying to say in comparison to what your claiming. FFVII has dozens of characters, a lot of plot, and it's focus shifts throughout the game. Just because cloud/seph is your main hero/villain, there are many other factors that make up the FFVII world and it's story which represents FFVII.

With your typical mario game for example, you have mario who must rescue peach from bowser and that's pretty much sums up your whole character/story representation right there. Unlike FFVII the representation much more profound.

So yeah, while some may agree/disagree including you. I think it's very reasonable to see why others would see it this way.
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I always thought that in Mario's case, the rivalry would boost because as the series is called "Super Mario Bros.", that advertises Mario right there, and the only real characterization Mario has is a rivalry with Bowser. Since the Mario games are all about conflict between Mario and Bowser - a simplistic plot used as nothing more than a vehicle to drive the gameplay - it makes sense for the rivalry to be more representative of the series than either character by themselves.

Link's rivalry with Ganondorf is marketed in the same way. In the original Zelda game, the conflict with Ganon is advertised before the game even starts, and most games in the series are about undoing the damage Ganondorf has done. So the voters perceive this as being a rivalry representative of the Zelda series, fine.

Because Final Fantasy VII is a more plot-driven game, there is a lot more going on, and thus the voters do not perceive a hero/villain conflict to be as representative of the game as they consider the Nintendo rivalries to be representative of their franchises. That's the point I was initially trying to convey.

I mean, I respect the whole point about Final Fantasy VII alone vs., say, the entire Mario series, but that hasn't prevented Sephiroth from thrashing Mario around many times in the past. I can agree that this plays some role, but I think my point plays more.

Argh, I don't even want to talk about this anymore.
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Well I just don't think people are voting for the rivalry itself as much as voting for the games the rivalries are in, because I figure most voters aren't really thinking about the question-- cause who cares about rivalries anyway? I mean, It's just kinda telling when so few rivalries that are only featured in one or two games did very well at all-- almost all the sluggers are from stuff that recurs ad nauseam.

This is different from characters that are in a lot of games. It's easier to say "I like this character" than "I like this rivalry" because it's a question that's actually like, relevant to game talk.

So while I see your points, I don't really agree that's why things are as they are. Your perspective also doesn't explain why rivalries like Sub-Zero vs Scorpion did well, since the MK storyline has just as much crap going on as FFVII's, really.
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Lopen posted...
Well I just don't think people are voting for the rivalry itself as much as voting for the games the rivalries are in, because I figure most voters aren't really thinking about the question-- cause who cares about rivalries anyway? I mean, It's just kinda telling when so few rivalries that are only featured in one or two games did very well at all-- almost all the sluggers are from stuff that recurs ad nauseam.

This is different from characters that are in a lot of games. It's easier to say "I like this character" than "I like this rivalry" because it's a question that's actually like, relevant to game talk.

So while I see your points, I don't really agree that's why things are as they are. Your perspective also doesn't explain why rivalries like Sub-Zero vs Scorpion did well, since the MK storyline has just as much crap going on as FFVII's, really.

Red/Blue beating iconic, recurring and old rivalries like Ryu/Ken and Samus/Ridley kinda disprove that.
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People just vote for games.
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It's more complicated than "people just vote for games" - FFX and RE4 don't lose cleanly to MGS3. But certainly, when people think of gaming "rivalries" (which are a strange, nebulous concept), they think of "rivalries" that have been at the forefront of gaming for long periods of time, put through the lens of Nintendo and FFVII being very very strong, and the perceived quality of the rivalry (which, as was thought before the contest, helped the Poketrainers and the Bosses more than anyone else). So we get Link/Ganon > Mario/Bowser > Poketrainers = Cloud/Seph >> the rest.
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Lopen posted...
Well I just don't think people are voting for the rivalry itself as much as voting for the games the rivalries are in, because I figure most voters aren't really thinking about the question-- cause who cares about rivalries anyway? I mean, It's just kinda telling when so few rivalries that are only featured in one or two games did very well at all-- almost all the sluggers are from stuff that recurs ad nauseam.

This is different from characters that are in a lot of games. It's easier to say "I like this character" than "I like this rivalry" because it's a question that's actually like, relevant to game talk.

So while I see your points, I don't really agree that's why things are as they are. Your perspective also doesn't explain why rivalries like Sub-Zero vs Scorpion did well, since the MK storyline has just as much crap going on as FFVII's, really.

As for Mortal Kombat:

-Personally, I'd never play a fighting game for storyline, but then again the last non-SSB fighting game I played was Soulcalibur II at my cousins' house way back in 2005. And I've never owned a non-SSB fighting game, nor do I have any in-person exposure whatsoever to Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat (and I thought that rivalries from such games wouldn't perform well - I only picked Sub-Zero's rivalry to beat Leon's because I didn't want to be burned by Sub-Zero again since I picked Tidus over him last year). However, this point is countered by how Sarah Kerrigan and Jim Raynor - characters who are from a franchise also best known for its multiplayer - are actually pretty strong, although then again, people actually do talk about StarCraft's storyline pretty often (and as my recent playthrough of the game can attest to, it deserves the high praise!).

-Scorpion and Sub-Zero seem to be easily at the forefront of the MK franchise, and the rivalry practically being MK9's box art, combined with how both of them are midcarders while we've never seen any other MK character make a contest...
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Wii_TuRtLe posted...
Lopen posted...
Well I just don't think people are voting for the rivalry itself as much as voting for the games the rivalries are in, because I figure most voters aren't really thinking about the question-- cause who cares about rivalries anyway? I mean, It's just kinda telling when so few rivalries that are only featured in one or two games did very well at all-- almost all the sluggers are from stuff that recurs ad nauseam.

This is different from characters that are in a lot of games. It's easier to say "I like this character" than "I like this rivalry" because it's a question that's actually like, relevant to game talk.

So while I see your points, I don't really agree that's why things are as they are. Your perspective also doesn't explain why rivalries like Sub-Zero vs Scorpion did well, since the MK storyline has just as much crap going on as FFVII's, really.

Red/Blue beating iconic, recurring and old rivalries like Ryu/Ken and Samus/Ridley kinda disprove that.

On Red vs. Blue, the voters probably perceive that rivalry as being representative of the whole Pokemon series for some reason - it might as well be "Pokemon protagonist vs. rival". I don't want to talk about this as I have zero interest in Pokemon, but to be fair, I'll admit that the Red vs. Blue rivalry technically being limited to one game made me pick Ryu vs. Ken over it, and then I picked Samus vs. Ridley to the final four on the altar of not wanting to underestimate Metroid again after last year (and I think at some stage in the bracketmaking process I had the Bosses over Samus's team).

Speaking of which, the Samus/Ridley rivalry, despite being a mere sideshow (although most certainly the main thing going on as far as that series' characters go) in its series, managed to finish ahead of rivalries like Mega Man X/Zero and Sonic/Robotnik that represent their series much better. Well there's some deviation from my earlier theory! I'll look into that in my next post.
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Okay, lol x-stats time:

Mega Man X (2006s) has a strength of 23.20 against Base Link.
Metroid (2006s) has a strength of 18.04 against Base Link.

Mega Man X 61.12% 80,550
Metroid 38.88% 51,238
TOTAL VOTES 131,788
Mega Man X wins with 61.12% of the vote!
A 29,312 vote margin of victory.

Sonic the Hedgehog (2006s) has a strength of 35.00 against Base Link.
Metroid (2006s) has a strength of 18.04 against Base Link.

Sonic the Hedgehog 74.23% 95,272
Metroid 25.77% 33,077
TOTAL VOTES 128,350
Sonic the Hedgehog wins with 74.23% of the vote!
A 62,195 vote margin of victory.

The BGE2009 stats have Metroid Prime > Mega Man X > Sonic the Hedgehog > Super Metroid > Sonic 2 > Sonic 3.

And yet, despite the Samus/Ridley rivalry being far less representative of a far weaker franchise, it finished ahead of X's and Sonic's rivalries in the stats. Huh?
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Okay, lol x-stats indeed. Since the series contest, the Metroid series has received Corruption and Other M, while MMX has nothing and Sonic has...Sonic '06, Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic Colors. Have fun with that, Sonic - IIRC both Sonic Colors and Generations are lower than Other M at Metacritic, and as much as I'd hate to say it, I think Other M would trash anything Sonic has put out since SA2 in a games contest setting - Other M was a much more high profile release, and we've seen time and time again that GFAQs doesn't care much for post-SM64 platformers in general. Corruption would mop up everything in either franchise released in the series contest without question.

So Sonic's reputation is undeniably tarnished, and MMX has nothing. Also, in the series contest, Metroid the series is behind some incredible SFF, while Sonic is overrated due to Smash's shenanigans against Mario. We have evidence that there may not have been as much SFF in Zelda/MMX as we originally thought due to MMX doing a good job resisting SFF from Link last year - plus I don't think anyone really gives a darn about any MMX game aside from the original in comparison, no? We at least know that the Metroid series has two games that are solid midcarders at worst (after Prime's showing in GOTD, I'd be willing to bet on Super Metroid having a similar boost - plus Super Metroid is a wildcard already as is!), and then the 3rd strongest Metroid game would probably trounce the 2nd strongest MMX game. So I guess the Metroid series would actually trash X and against Sonic...who knows?

Darn, we should see Metroid vs. Sonic in a series contest, and/or Sonic's rivalry vs. Samus's.
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Okay, and one more thing: there's more going on with characters in the Sonic and MMX franchises than in the Mario franchise, so despite the Sonic and MMX franchises also being "character" oriented, people don't see Sonic's rivalry with Robotnik or X's rivalry with Zero to be completely representative of their respective series. So those rivalries would be more or less the same tier as Samus/Ridley, which is the main rivalry going on in a series that no one plays for characters.

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And yet, despite the Samus/Ridley rivalry being far less representative of a far weaker franchise, it finished ahead of X's and Sonic's rivalries in the stats. Huh?

Metroid was SFF against LoZ in that contest.
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Rivalry Rumble: 117/160 Today: Cloud/Sephiroth

I should have left my 55-59% pick for Link rather than changing it to a straight pick =|

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Okay, lol x-stats time:

Mega Man X (2006s) has a strength of 23.20 against Base Link.
Metroid (2006s) has a strength of 18.04 against Base Link.

Mega Man X 61.12% 80,550
Metroid 38.88% 51,238
TOTAL VOTES 131,788
Mega Man X wins with 61.12% of the vote!
A 29,312 vote margin of victory.

Sonic the Hedgehog (2006s) has a strength of 35.00 against Base Link.
Metroid (2006s) has a strength of 18.04 against Base Link.

Sonic the Hedgehog 74.23% 95,272
Metroid 25.77% 33,077
TOTAL VOTES 128,350
Sonic the Hedgehog wins with 74.23% of the vote!
A 62,195 vote margin of victory.

The BGE2009 stats have Metroid Prime > Mega Man X > Sonic the Hedgehog > Super Metroid > Sonic 2 > Sonic 3.

And yet, despite the Samus/Ridley rivalry being far less representative of a far weaker franchise, it finished ahead of X's and Sonic's rivalries in the stats. Huh?

LoZ SFF

Samus/Ridley was always going to be a top 10 rivalry, and I never understood why everyone was doubting her. Just turned out that Trainers were on Cloud level
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I want to see adjusted X-stats after today's match.Who will do them?
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Outside of Trainers/FFVII fixing Mario all of the other adjustments would have to guesses.
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Rivalry Rumble: 117/160 Today: Cloud/Sephiroth

You could use vote-in results as well.
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You could use vote-in results as well.

lol

I thought the idea was to IMPROVE the stats with adjustments
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I wrote a bit about the contest and what I think it means in the grand scheme here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61411114
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True/False: Mario/Sonic would be winning right now.
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2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud.
Link 6, Cloud 2

False
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True.

But Link/Cloud>>>>>>>>Mario/Sonic

Edit: I also think Link/Dark Link would beat Mario/Sonic.
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False. They'd be doing better, but this is Link we're talking about.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

False. Seriously let the MArio/Sonic Rivalry thing ago. It's not 1992 anymore.
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