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#451 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/20/2011 10:24:04 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #449
Honestly I think in a most attractive vg character contest a joke entry would win. Like Wario or some crap.


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#452 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/20/2011 10:24:56 PM | message detail
Well most attractive character is such a bad contest idea that I fully support people voting Link for the laughs.
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#453 | Xcarvenger | Posted 12/20/2011 10:27:08 PM | message detail
Link will still win. I mean look at this:

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#454 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/20/2011 10:32:08 PM | message detail
#455 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/20/2011 10:34:47 PM | message detail
Well most attractive character is such a bad contest idea that I fully support people voting Link for the laughs.

But it's not THAT bad of an idea!

It will be new and different. You get to look at attractive people. Who knows exactly who will win. Popularity doesn't mean everything because conceivably people can look at an attractive unknown and say DAYAM *vote*.

Sure I'd rather see a Best Game Ever III or CB9 with a bracket that actually makes sense, but where's the guarantee of that? I'd take most attractive character over "hey here's Snake > Squall 5 etc."
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#456 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/20/2011 10:37:47 PM | message detail
Most attractive provides the opportunity for...exploitative match pics. TJF alone would result in higher votals!
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#457 | BlitzKing900 | Posted 12/20/2011 10:41:25 PM | message detail | (edited)
Why don't they go random tag teams. Snake/Link vs Cloud/Mario. Confusion and anger would ensue once people realised the person they love is with someone they hate. Or not.

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#458 | greatone10 | Posted 12/20/2011 10:40:35 PM | message detail
Most attractive would totally have a Giygas victory.
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#459 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/20/2011 10:40:46 PM | message detail
Most Attractive Character, huh?

Man, if you thought Guybrush did bad in a normal contest...!
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#460 | CP724 | Posted 12/20/2011 10:42:01 PM | message detail | (edited)
Hey creativename just wondering why are you so confident that fictional characters will do well on gamefaqs? Looking at the Gamespot contest seems like they didn't do THAT well. Joker only got 55% on Ganon over there so over here Ganon would 60-40 him at least.
#461 | Sorozone | Posted 12/20/2011 10:40:57 PM | message detail
Ehhh, I'd rather see the fictional character inclusion contest, or a new game contest over an attractive character contest.
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#462 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/20/2011 10:42:10 PM | message detail
CP724 posted...
Hey creativename just wondering why are you so confident that fictional characters will so well on gamefaqs? Looking at the Gamespot contest seems like they didn't do THAT well. Ganon got 55% on the joker over there even so he'd probably get 60-40d over here.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3740

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#463 | creativename | Posted 12/20/2011 11:55:17 PM | message detail

From: CP724 | #2260
Hey creativename just wondering why are you so confident that fictional characters will do well on gamefaqs? Looking at the Gamespot contest seems like they didn't do THAT well. Joker only got 55% on Ganon over there so over here Ganon would 60-40 him at least.


I'm confident because this site's demographics are perfectly in line with the main popularity base for superheroes and action movie characters. Of course, the appeal for these characters is incredibly wide. But if there was a main target demo for superheroes and action movie (e.g. Star Wars) characters, this site hits it.

And Batman is the most popular American pop culture character of the last century. He would no doubt be among the most popular characters and I would bet on him to beat Link.

Gamespot is trash, there results mean nothing and correlate in no way with gamefaqs, you cannot compare at all. Kerrigan is strong there for goodness sake.

Ganon would not 60-40 Joker on this site - I'd be pretty confident Joker beats Ganon here. Joker is a very popular character in his own right and again, perfectly hits this site's demo.

Remember, the VG originating thing is a fairly quirky delimiter, added by CJayC and Bacon has stuck with it (although Dracula, Zeus and Adolf push it). Also don't forget even Santa almost hit 40% on Link and Santa is obviously not close to the 10 most popular non-VG originating fictional characters. That Santa hit that number on Link, is a very bad sign for VG characters.

It's largely math. The non-VG character field is so wide-spanning. The 128th strongest non-VG originating fictional would crush the 128th strongest VG character. Completely crush them. Much deeper field for obvious reasons - there's so many possible characters from so many areas, rather than just video games.

And it would make sense that the top non-VG characters are stronger than the top VG characters. Santa, a non-top 10 fictional relying almost entirely on "lulz" votes, doing better than some of the top 9 VG characters would do on Link supports this.
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#464 | creativename | Posted 12/20/2011 11:59:52 PM | message detail
A new games contest is the next best route.

Although people constantly complain about Link and obvious winner and all that, and OoT is the obvious winner there as well.

But it would certainly beat any character contest which didn't include fictionals. With a good bracket a games contest could generate many good and exciting matches.

I believe the vote totals for the character contest with fictionals would be higher than for a games contest though, because the games contest wouldn't reach beyond the site. A fictional character contest would probably generate interest and actually drive traffic and vote totals up.
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#465 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/21/2011 12:03:49 AM | message detail
#466 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 12:06:07 AM | message detail
Batman isn't relying on the strength of his games to beat Link. I'm pretty sure you've been told that a few times now.
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#467 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 12:06:30 AM | message detail
This contest allowed public domain characters and historical representations of real people to be in the contest. So I think the next Character Battle should allow characters like Dracula and Zeus into the contest, in order to test out the site's reaction to these characters being in a contest. It would be an intermediate step towards allowing any character from a video game to be in a Character Battle.
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#468 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/21/2011 12:07:42 AM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Batman isn't relying on the strength of his games to beat Link. I'm pretty sure you've been told that a few times now.

Well I know that, but Creative has said time after time they'll gain strength from their games. Like he thinks Nightcrawler will be strong since he was a playable character in some old X-men game. If he sees that the games do bad here, maybe he'll start thinking that maybe Batman isn't invincible on this site.
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#469 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 12:09:57 AM | message detail
They will. A good game isn't going to hurt them. It's just not a very important factor when trying to take out Link. Batman either gets tons of power from his non-video game works or Link will beat him. Maybe if it's close, a good game could be the tipping point but just about anything can change a really close result anyways.
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#470 | Gnik | Posted 12/21/2011 12:10:40 AM | message detail
The thing is, people always vote based on franchise, regardless of what the contest is, this contest showed that beyond the shadow of a doubt. If we do best game, Mario Galaxy 2, Final Fantasy 7, Zelda OOT, and Pokemon GSC will be top 4. If we do a best music contest, SMB level 1-1, the Zelda overworld theme, FF's overture, and Pokemon RBY's battle theme will be top 4. If we do best quote, it will be "There's no gettin' offa this train that we're on", "The Princess is in another castle", "I like shorts because they're comfy and easy to wear", and "It's dangerous to go alone, take this". If we do a most attractive female character, it'll be Peach, Tifa, Zelda, and Lopunny. And so on.

As long as these four franchises are allowed to compete in any form they will always win.


The only way to get interesting results is to completely change the nature of the contest. Which, to be honest, I have no good ideas for.
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#471 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 12:12:17 AM | message detail
If we do best game, Mario Galaxy 2, Final Fantasy 7, Zelda OOT, and Pokemon GSC will be top 4.

Mario Galaxy 2 and Pokemon GSC are definitely not Top 4 games. Series power helps but there are plenty of Mario, Zelda and Pokemon games that are far from invincible.
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#472 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/21/2011 12:12:17 AM | message detail
Anyway, I do feel if there were as many Batman fanboys as Creative says there are, they'd blindly vote for the games even if they haven't played them. You need that kind of loyal fanboyism to take out Link.
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#473 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2011 12:16:48 AM | message detail
Everyone is so caught up on trying to find a "Link killer" that we're forgetting the main point of bringing the fictionals on board in the first place: to make things fresh and exciting again and to give us better contests in general. If Cloud really has fallen in the last two years, then Link could be at a point where he can damn near 60/40 anyone, including Cloud. Even if Batman can barely muster 40% on Link, he may still be able to beat EVERYONE ELSE. It's not as though losing to Link makes the entire idea a failure.
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#474 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/21/2011 12:17:34 AM | message detail
So I think the next Character Battle should allow characters like Dracula and Zeus into the contest, in order to test out the site's reaction to these characters being in a contest.

Who did you have in mind? Considering Adolf bombed as a joke vote, Dracula seemed just along for the ride, as Alucard's moderate strength was enough to claim the division, and Zeus didn't amount to much either. Gotta make sure one of these intermediates can actually make a contest!

If we do best game, Mario Galaxy 2, Final Fantasy 7, Zelda OOT, and Pokemon GSC will be top 4.

Huh?

If we do a best music contest, SMB level 1-1, the Zelda overworld theme, FF's overture, and Pokemon RBY's battle theme will be top 4. ... If we do a most attractive female character, it'll be Peach, Tifa, Zelda, and Lopunny.

Speculation. Popular franchises do pretty well because they're popular for a reason and have widespread familiarity, but that's no guarantee. You cannot be so confident that Mega Man music or chicks from other series couldn't succeed in your listed examples.
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#475 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/21/2011 12:19:22 AM | message detail
Batman taking out Cloud is something I could see as reasonable. I wouldn't take it, but it wouldn't shock me either. But yeah, Link is just out of anyones range at this point, which is why its best to retire him.
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#476 | Gnik | Posted 12/21/2011 12:31:21 AM | message detail | (edited)
If we do best game, Mario Galaxy 2, Final Fantasy 7, Zelda OOT, and Pokemon GSC will be top 4.

Mario Galaxy 2 and Pokemon GSC are definitely not Top 4 games. Series power helps but there are plenty of Mario, Zelda and Pokemon games that are far from invincible.


Or some other game from those franchises. The specific game wasn't the point.


There's no way we're going to see something like Psychonauts or Okami placing high, as much as people would like that to happen.


Speculation. Popular franchises do pretty well because they're popular for a reason and have widespread familiarity, but that's no guarantee. You cannot be so confident that Mega Man music or chicks from other series couldn't succeed in your listed examples.

I'll grant Mega Man and maybe Sonic as possibles in the music contest but to be honest I'm pretty sure people will vote based on familiarity in the end. Mega Man has no music track that is as iconic as the Mario, Zelda, or FF themes, Skull Castle 1 from Mega Man 2 would likely be the pick from that series and it only appears in a few games. Sonic has the same problem with his music, he'd probably get Green Hill. Castlevania's Vampire Killer is probably a bigger threat than both, because it does show up extremely often.


Actually, I might be down for the music contest, now that I think about it more, but GF would clearly never do it anyway, they won't even let you link to youtube videos of game music.


The one about female characters was something of a joke. That contest would probably be fairly susceptible to joke picks (but then maybe Lopunny would do well because of that).
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#477 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 12:35:26 AM | message detail
IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/21/2011 3:17:34 AM | message detail | quote
Who did you have in mind? Considering Adolf bombed as a joke vote, Dracula seemed just along for the ride, as Alucard's moderate strength was enough to claim the division, and Zeus didn't amount to much either. Gotta make sure one of these intermediates can actually make a contest!


I have nothing in mind outside of the characters from this contest that would normally be ineligible for a regular Character Battle. I'm not that familiar with characters outside of those that have been featured in a GameFAQs poll (or contest).
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#478 | CP724 | Posted 12/21/2011 12:43:44 AM | message detail
I'm confident because this site's demographics are perfectly in line with the main popularity base for superheroes and action movie characters. Of course, the appeal for these characters is incredibly wide. But if there was a main target demo for superheroes and action movie (e.g. Star Wars) characters, this site hits it.

And Batman is the most popular American pop culture character of the last century. He would no doubt be among the most popular characters and I would bet on him to beat Link.

Gamespot is trash, there results mean nothing and correlate in no way with gamefaqs, you cannot compare at all. Kerrigan is strong there for goodness sake.

Ganon would not 60-40 Joker on this site - I'd be pretty confident Joker beats Ganon here. Joker is a very popular character in his own right and again, perfectly hits this site's demo.

Remember, the VG originating thing is a fairly quirky delimiter, added by CJayC and Bacon has stuck with it (although Dracula, Zeus and Adolf push it). Also don't forget even Santa almost hit 40% on Link and Santa is obviously not close to the 10 most popular non-VG originating fictional characters. That Santa hit that number on Link, is a very bad sign for VG characters.

It's largely math. The non-VG character field is so wide-spanning. The 128th strongest non-VG originating fictional would crush the 128th strongest VG character. Completely crush them. Much deeper field for obvious reasons - there's so many possible characters from so many areas, rather than just video games.

And it would make sense that the top non-VG characters are stronger than the top VG characters. Santa, a non-top 10 fictional relying almost entirely on "lulz" votes, doing better than some of the top 9 VG characters would do on Link supports this.
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Sounds legit, I was just thinking fictional characters not from games that everyone knows would have fairly static strength across most game sites. I'm a bit skeptical that they'd be a lot stronger here than on Gamespot. Maybe Kerrigan over there is just their version of Link and Darth Vader getting 40% on her is actually really good, heh.
#479 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 12:47:37 AM | message detail
It's not reasonable to expect voters to spend 6 to 10+ minutes to listen to two songs before voting so a music contest wouldn't work.
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#480 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 12:48:46 AM | message detail
And then there's still the legal issues associated with hosting copyrighted music on this site for the purpose of a contest.
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#481 | -Tofa7- | Posted 12/21/2011 1:01:06 AM | message detail
Ugh. Why the hell do people want to remove Cloud and Mario from a contest? Just removing Link gives us a very unpredictable final few matches already. There's no need to remove anyone other than him.
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#482 | JJH777 | Posted 12/21/2011 1:02:37 AM | message detail

From: CP724 | #478
I'm confident because this site's demographics are perfectly in line with the main popularity base for superheroes and action movie characters. Of course, the appeal for these characters is incredibly wide. But if there was a main target demo for superheroes and action movie (e.g. Star Wars) characters, this site hits it.

And Batman is the most popular American pop culture character of the last century. He would no doubt be among the most popular characters and I would bet on him to beat Link.

Gamespot is trash, there results mean nothing and correlate in no way with gamefaqs, you cannot compare at all. Kerrigan is strong there for goodness sake.

Ganon would not 60-40 Joker on this site - I'd be pretty confident Joker beats Ganon here. Joker is a very popular character in his own right and again, perfectly hits this site's demo.

Remember, the VG originating thing is a fairly quirky delimiter, added by CJayC and Bacon has stuck with it (although Dracula, Zeus and Adolf push it). Also don't forget even Santa almost hit 40% on Link and Santa is obviously not close to the 10 most popular non-VG originating fictional characters. That Santa hit that number on Link, is a very bad sign for VG characters.

It's largely math. The non-VG character field is so wide-spanning. The 128th strongest non-VG originating fictional would crush the 128th strongest VG character. Completely crush them. Much deeper field for obvious reasons - there's so many possible characters from so many areas, rather than just video games.

And it would make sense that the top non-VG characters are stronger than the top VG characters. Santa, a non-top 10 fictional relying almost entirely on "lulz" votes, doing better than some of the top 9 VG characters would do on Link supports this.
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Sounds legit, I was just thinking fictional characters not from games that everyone knows would have fairly static strength across most game sites. I'm a bit skeptical that they'd be a lot stronger here than on Gamespot. Maybe Kerrigan over there is just their version of Link and Darth Vader getting 40% on her is actually really good, heh.


With the incredibly low vote totals of this contest Link wouldn't even have got 30% on a majorly rallied Kerrigan (as in the level of rallying she got for that contest)
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#483 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/21/2011 1:03:00 AM | message detail
BEST idea: Retire Link, ADD FICTIONALS.

Holy crap what an amazing contest we have!
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#484 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 1:05:07 AM | message detail
Ugh. Why the hell do people want to remove Cloud and Mario from a contest? Just removing Link gives us a very unpredictable final few matches already. There's no need to remove anyone other than him.

Because they think Cloud always wins for some reason. Mario is just unlucky to get grouped in the same option.
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#485 | JJH777 | Posted 12/21/2011 1:07:53 AM | message detail
I'm really surprised at these results. If this is what the average voter thinks then how the heck was Link the strongest he's ever been?
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#486 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/21/2011 1:08:36 AM | message detail
I don't mind that the last option is most voted. He may opt to relegate former winners to a Champions match. At that point the contest is Snake's to lose, but it should open things so we have more matches between our near-elites.
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#487 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2011 1:09:26 AM | message detail
Hey uhh am I looking at things wrong or is this poll about what to do with Link outdrawing every single actual match we just had?
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#488 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 1:12:06 AM | message detail
It's currently ahead of even Red/Blue vs Cloud/Sephiroth. I guess the contest really was turning away voters.
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#489 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2011 1:13:27 AM | message detail
That's horrible. Poor SBAllen.
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#490 | ViviffTheMobile | Posted 12/21/2011 1:16:29 AM | message detail
I like that yes for removing Link has 49.99%. He's over-powering being over-powered and I love it.
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#491 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 12/21/2011 1:16:34 AM | message detail
A "get rid of Contests altogether" option would sadly be winning
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#492 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/21/2011 1:31:21 AM | message detail
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Hey uhh am I looking at things wrong or is this poll about what to do with Link outdrawing every single actual match we just had?

Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/21/2011 4:12:06 AM | message detail | quote
It's currently ahead of even Red/Blue vs Cloud/Sephiroth. I guess the contest really was turning away voters.


I guess this poll is bringing in some good votals here because it shows that most of this site has a strong opinion over the current state of the contests.
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#493 | ejm5446 | Posted 12/21/2011 1:35:43 AM | message detail | (edited)
PartOfYourWorld posted...
Everyone is so caught up on trying to find a "Link killer" that we're forgetting the main point of bringing the fictionals on board in the first place: to make things fresh and exciting again and to give us better contests in general.

You want to make things fresh and exciting? Limit each series to only 3 characters. That way we get new entrants instead of minor Nintendo/Square people and random Pokemon.

OR, we could have an entire contest of only characters who debuted in this millennium. That would be unpredictable and exciting for sure.
#494 | Gnik | Posted 12/21/2011 1:35:55 AM | message detail
It's not reasonable to expect voters to spend 6 to 10+ minutes to listen to two songs before voting so a music contest wouldn't work.

Most of the songs in the contest would probably be fairly short, and to be honest the majority of people would probably not vote for a song they've never heard before.


And then there's still the legal issues associated with hosting copyrighted music on this site for the purpose of a contest.

It's so readily accessible there's no need for them to host it, they could just put the name that the song is commonly known by and any google search will turn it up. GF keeps their hands clean.


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#495 | creativename | Posted 12/21/2011 1:37:43 AM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #2308
Well I know that, but Creative has said time after time they'll gain strength from their games. Like he thinks Nightcrawler will be strong since he was a playable character in some old X-men game. If he sees that the games do bad here, maybe he'll start thinking that maybe Batman isn't invincible on this site.


No. Pay more attention. I've said time after time that Batman will gain like zero strength from his games, and mocked the notion that most of Batman's strength would come from his games (because that's utterly comical yet I've actually seen it stated). If Batman had never appeared in a video game he would perform almost no different.

You're very confused with my Nightcrawler example. I've used Nightcrawler in the context of - is he one of the 128 most powerful non-VG originated characters? Very possibly not. But, he'd absolutely annihilate the 128th most powerful VG character.

Relative to the top tier non-VG characters, Nightcrawler isn't strong at all. Relative to comparable level VG characters (e.g. Professor Layton, Claptrap), he's a complete monster.

From: FateStayAlbion | #2352
Anyway, I do feel if there were as many Batman fanboys as Creative says there are, they'd blindly vote for the games even if they haven't played them. You need that kind of loyal fanboyism to take out Link.


Haha. Not even Zeldrones are that dronish.

And Superman would be decent strength, probably top 10-20 among fictionals, despite being known for the worst game ever. Clearly game strength is going to have zero correlation with character strength.

Now some characters would have decent strength from games alone. For instance, Batman and Spider-Man would probably be decent mid-carders based on their video games alone even if they'd never had a pop culture existence - they've had popular games that sold millions and have good character design. But their actual strength is virtually unchanged by whether the games exist or not, because they are way above that. The marginal strength added from their games existing is almost nil.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #2307
This contest allowed public domain characters and historical representations of real people to be in the contest. So I think the next Character Battle should allow characters like Dracula and Zeus into the contest, in order to test out the site's reaction to these characters being in a contest. It would be an intermediate step towards allowing any character from a video game to be in a Character Battle.


These types of characters would not be strong. You need characters that have major modern commercial success from their own brands. Characters that are strong in pop culture. Zeus is a nothing. Dracula is not quite a nothing, but he isn't anything of note.

From: ViviffTheMobile | #2410
I like that yes for removing Link has 49.99%. He's over-powering being over-powered and I love it.


Almost all of that is from the "remove everyone" option. The remove just Link option currently has the lowest votes of anything.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #2353
Everyone is so caught up on trying to find a "Link killer" that we're forgetting the main point of bringing the fictionals on board in the first place: to make things fresh and exciting again and to give us better contests in general.


Exactly. It's the best possible contest idea for a contest that would be exciting and unpredictable. Even a hypothetical games contest with a great bracket would be far more predictable.
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#496 | Ngamer64 | Posted 12/21/2011 1:38:16 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
From: Ngamer64 | #1809

What new Contest would you to see GameFAQs host in 2012?
* A new regular Character Battle
* A Character Battle, but with former winners removed (Link, Cloud, etc)
* A Battle featuring ANY Characters who've been in video games (eg Batman, Darth Vader, Gandalf)
* A new Best Video Game Contest (from all eras)
* Best. System. Ever.

I like! Well done.


Okay, submitted this as a PotD suggestion. I'll let you know what SB says about it (if anything).
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#497 | creativename | Posted 12/21/2011 1:38:51 AM | message detail

From: ejm5446 | #2453
You want to make things fresh and exciting? Limit each series to only 3 characters. That way we get new entrants instead of minor Nintendo/Square people and random Pokemon.

OR, we could have an entire contest of only characters who debuted in this millennium. That would be unpredictable and exciting for sure.


Weaksauce new fodder and junk may excite you, but it surely won't excite anyone else :)
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#498 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/21/2011 1:41:39 AM | message detail

From: ejm5446 | #493
You want to make things fresh and exciting? Limit each series to only 3 characters. That way we get new entrants instead of minor Nintendo/Square people and random Pokemon.


This does little more than eliminate a dozen or more Final Fantasy characters that can win matches and draw votes. Their replacements would likely be fodder, so we'd know more or less how they would do in a contest. We're honestly starting to tap the bottom of the barrel for new characters with good potential power (unless you want to bring a new RBY-era Pokemon in every time, something you seem to be against).

OR, we could have an entire contest of only characters who debuted in this millennium. That would be unpredictable and exciting for sure.


It could be unpredictable, but I don't know about exciting. Auron should run through it easily, and all but the top few entrants would be fodder. People here are generally unenthusiastic about the idea of fodder battling fodder over and over. Fodder is fodder for a reason - most people don't care about it.
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#499 | pjbasis | Posted 12/21/2011 1:44:22 AM | message detail
BGE4
FFVIII > FFX
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#500 | pjbasis | Posted 12/21/2011 1:44:52 AM | message detail
Heard it here first
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