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#401 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2011 3:41:17 AM | message detail
And everyone will look like trash.I mean the Snakes will end up with like 25% on Link!Good times.Well whatever.By the way can anyone explain me why this result happens?Okay I was expecting a loss sure but around 47%.Not this much...
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#402 | __Smurf__ | Posted 12/18/2011 3:48:25 AM | message detail
This is about as expected for Cloud, which is depressing. I've always felt there was a "close match" force in operation in finals which usually helps the weaker entity bridge the gap. No such force here and the strength chasm between the two is being exposed somewhat.

From: Sorozone | #383
So is anyone actually opposed to a pair of fictional character not originating from video games vs Link/Ganondorf in a bonus match to test the waters for potentially the next contest?

Especially after his domination, and the foreseeable domination of Mario and Bowser?




The argument of "saving it" for a contest is a ridiculous head in the sand action. If people really believe a fictional duo of Batman/Joker could do something meaningful against Link go all out and push for that bonus match. If they can make it respectable we'll know its an idea of merit, if they get smashed we'll know its not worth wasting time with. The idea of holding back on this to preserve the surprise of how fictional characters fair is just...wow considering they have the potential to fall flat on their face and ruin an entire contest with it. Incredible anyone would be in support of that.
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#403 | __Smurf__ | Posted 12/18/2011 4:11:45 AM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #401
And everyone will look like trash.I mean the Snakes will end up with like 25% on Link!Good times.Well whatever.By the way can anyone explain me why this result happens?Okay I was expecting a loss sure but around 47%.Not this much...


The signs have been pretty clear for a long time and everyone seems to be in denial about FFVII being in terminal decline. The Kratos, Snake matches were both Playstation SFF, this is something for whatever reason people choose not to believe in regardless of how frequently it occurs.

Cloud/Sephiroth had 3 SFF matches to flatter them and looked like crap against Lloyd/Kratos. The signs were there. Also if you exclude the final in 2010 Cloud/Sephiroth looked terrible in every single round. There was an oddity in how close Cloud managed to drag Link in the final which I'd credit to the losing finalist factor or whatever you want to call it. A 57-43 is far more in line with what trends were indicating.
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#404 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 12/18/2011 4:54:24 AM | message detail
The playstation SFF kinda makes sense now. This contest is more or less acting like a series/games contest and the last time MGS/FF7 met up in a direct match, FF7 absolutely drove MGS to the ground with SFF.

Not like The Snakes were impressive in the first place, scoring only 62% on them with the aid of potential SFF is downright awful. Over-performance on Kratos/Zues can be chalked up to yet another potential playstation SFF.

Squall and Sora didn't look too well either(arguably the 2nd and 3rd strongest Square rivalry in this contest), they were worth what, freaking 51% on Dante/Vergil (the same DMC3 that looked god-awful in the GOTD.)
#405 | Neosadus | Posted 12/18/2011 5:00:55 AM | message detail
Propose new vote counting for next contest. The character total votes divided by the number of games they appear in.
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#406 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 12/18/2011 5:05:36 AM | message detail
#407 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 5:34:02 AM | message detail
Death of the Contests.

I'm glad. Crap Votals, Crappy matches and absolutely nothing worth talking about. At least i'll get 10 Karma.
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#408 | __Smurf__ | Posted 12/18/2011 5:35:24 AM | message detail

From: Neosadus | #405
Propose new vote counting for next contest. The character total votes divided by the number of games they appear in.


I'd kinda like to see an equal weighting points system based on voting per continent. I'd absolutely destroy some of the characters whose sole popularity comes from the USA.
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#409 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 5:42:02 AM | message detail

From: __Smurf__ | #408
I'd kinda like to see an equal weighting points system based on voting per continent. I'd absolutely destroy some of the characters whose sole popularity comes from the USA.


Or do it by each Country. Number of wins per country.
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#410 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 5:51:46 AM | message detail
Well at the very least Cloud once again becomes the only Character to Cut Link more than once in a match.
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#411 | Denzokuken | Posted 12/18/2011 5:59:40 AM | message detail
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#412 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/18/2011 6:01:58 AM | message detail
Well, just saw the results.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha

What the hell. This is glorious!
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#413 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 6:02:01 AM | message detail
#414 | abdou | Posted 12/18/2011 6:05:29 AM | message detail
we should simply stop having character contest. After this I highly doubt Cloud can beat Mario or Samus and Sephiroth definitely loses to most NNers. Nintendo is in complete control of this site.

I am still OK with more games contest or series contest though...at least OoT is actually a genuinely good game even if I am not one of its biggest fans.
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#415 | __Smurf__ | Posted 12/18/2011 6:17:58 AM | message detail
Think its just a Link thing, Samus looked very capable of jobbing to non-noble characters lately and Mario has always been erratic in his popularity. It would be a very interesting contest if you removed Link now that the FFVII duo has fallen into the pack.
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#416 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2011 6:50:09 AM | message detail
I find it strange that we will end with only 1 perfect bracket.Guess it wasn't so predictable after all?
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#417 | abdou | Posted 12/18/2011 6:56:55 AM | message detail
There has been some surprises like the Trainers but the contest as a whole is easily the worst I have seen, even worse than the Villains contest. This was a terrible contest idea from Allen and the bracket making was even worse, he really did a poor job.
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#418 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/18/2011 7:02:17 AM | message detail

From: Denzokuken | #2051
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Link's winning in Europe too.

It is close there though, which is surprising as looking at the three individual countries we can see (UK, Germany, and the Netherlands), it shouldn't be nearly that close. Guess Cloud must be crushing in France (they love their JRPGs).

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #2056
I find it strange that we will end with only 1 perfect bracket.Guess it wasn't so predictable after all?


Well, only one other contest has ever had perfect brackets, and that was the series contest. I'll give you that it was less predictable than that one, though. It did technically have an upset winner, but I'm going to chalk that up to naivety. Not sure why FF was the favourite after two years of the LAW.
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#419 | whatisurnameplz | Posted 12/18/2011 7:03:02 AM | message detail

From: __Smurf__ | #415
Think its just a Link thing, Samus looked very capable of jobbing to non-noble characters lately and Mario has always been erratic in his popularity. It would be a very interesting contest if you removed Link now that the FFVII duo has fallen into the pack.


If you got rid of Link then Mario would always win. Do you think GameFAQs will let SQUARE WIN AGAIN??? Never!
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#420 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/18/2011 7:07:25 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/18/2011 10:02:17 AM | message detail | quote
It is close there though, which is surprising as looking at the three individual countries we can see (UK, Germany, and the Netherlands), it shouldn't be nearly that close. Guess Cloud must be crushing in France (they love their JRPGs).


These can be viewed as well:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4571&region=SE
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4571&region=FI
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4571&region=IT
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#421 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/18/2011 7:07:27 AM | message detail
Yeah, I really don't see any argument any more that Mario is the second strongest character on the site. Last year it was debatable, but now he definitely is. Third is interesting, though.
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#422 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 7:07:37 AM | message detail
Who said FF was favourite? It was never favourite.

Also yes Link won but this is a shock. Link/Cloud 1v1 would still be much closer.

I guess the rivalry factor does matter and people rate Linknan more than Clouderoth.

I just hope it factors in tuesday and Mowser can do some damage.

FOR ONCE...i just hope Nintendo fans don't just blindly vote for Link. Vote for the more iconic characters(certainly villain wise)

I will vote for Mowser
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#423 | CP724 | Posted 12/18/2011 7:09:57 AM | message detail
The signs have been pretty clear for a long time and everyone seems to be in denial about FFVII being in terminal decline. The Kratos, Snake matches were both Playstation SFF, this is something for whatever reason people choose not to believe in regardless of how frequently it occurs.

Cloud/Sephiroth had 3 SFF matches to flatter them and looked like crap against Lloyd/Kratos. The signs were there. Also if you exclude the final in 2010 Cloud/Sephiroth looked terrible in every single round. There was an oddity in how close Cloud managed to drag Link in the final which I'd credit to the losing finalist factor or whatever you want to call it. A 57-43 is far more in line with what trends were indicating.


By that logic the signs were there last contest too since Cloud got 69% on Captain Falcon and 71% on Ridley (lol), then 46.5% on Link. He always looks bad against weak nintendo and I think Link/Ganon has better chemistry for whatever reason. Cloud won't get much more than 45% next year if he faces Link though unless something ridiculous like FFVII remake is announced.
#424 | CP724 | Posted 12/18/2011 7:12:00 AM | message detail
Looked bad against weak nintendo since last year anyways.
#425 | Xuxon | Posted 12/18/2011 7:13:15 AM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #422
Who said FF was favourite? It was never favourite.


On this board at least, more people picked FF than Zelda. Don't know about site-wide.

The line of thinking was that FF is stronger relative to Cloud/FF7 than Zelda is relative to Link/OoT. Which was true, it just wasn't quite enough.
#426 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/18/2011 7:14:48 AM | message detail
Thanks Luster. It seems I was right based off of those extra three, as even though Cloud's winning convincingly in Italy, not enough so to make up for the rest. Must be France I think. It would be cool if we could see their results.

From: The_Djoker | #2102
Who said FF was favourite? It was never favourite.

Also yes Link won but this is a shock. Link/Cloud 1v1 would still be much closer.

I guess the rivalry factor does matter and people rate Linknan more than Clouderoth.

I just hope it factors in tuesday and Mowser can do some damage.

FOR ONCE...i just hope Nintendo fans don't just blindly vote for Link. Vote for the more iconic characters(certainly villain wise)

I will vote for Mowser


It was a huge favourite in the series contest. Both in the guru and the whole site.

Also "Mowser" reminds me of Mouser. We need to get this handsome fellow into the next contest:
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/9/90/Mouser.jpg/200px-Mouser.jpg

Look at those sunglasses.
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#427 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 7:28:35 AM | message detail

From: Xuxon | #425
On this board at least, more people picked FF than Zelda. Don't know about site-wide.

The line of thinking was that FF is stronger relative to Cloud/FF7 than Zelda is relative to Link/OoT. Which was true, it just wasn't quite enough.




I don't think more people picked FF at all. I picked FF for an upset...not as a favourite.


Also how the **** Is is Cloud losing in JApan???
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#428 | Bigwig_rah | Posted 12/18/2011 7:30:39 AM | message detail
Damn, Link is kicking *** here. This might make me raise my percentage pick for the finals.
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#429 | Xuxon | Posted 12/18/2011 7:32:13 AM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #427
I don't think more people picked FF at all. I picked FF for an upset...not as a favourite.


Probably not across the whole site. But on board 8, more people picked FF.

http://thengamer.com/guru/BSE/
#430 | minishcap2005 | Posted 12/18/2011 9:45:12 AM | message detail
Next contest idea: Games contest, mixed eras, with OoT out but WITH FFVII IN. Winner takes on OoT in a bonus match or something.

OoT needs to be removed, since it can 60-40 ANY non-FFVII game on the site, considering most of the top 10 games are all Nintendo and it'll just be an SFF fest.

FFVII, once the number one game on the site, definitely needs to be in to really gauge how much the game has fallen. I seriously have the feeling that the gap between OoT and FFVII (with OoT3D out and FFVII in freefall, OoT can probably now break 55-56 on FFVII) is now greater than the gap between FFVII and the second strongest Nintendo game on the site, meaning we can actually get some interesting matches.
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#431 | __Smurf__ | Posted 12/18/2011 9:45:45 AM | message detail

From: Xuxon | #429
Probably not across the whole site. But on board 8, more people picked FF.

http://thengamer.com/guru/BSE/


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#432 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2011 9:55:56 AM | message detail
Man Link is doing wonders in USA!In South America Link is under 53.5,in Europe Link is under 50.5,in Asia Link is under 24.5(man talking about a beatdown!)and in Oceania Link is under 52.Of course USA has the bad taste.By the way have Clouderoth gained updates?At least it would be the first rival team to do that....
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#433 | AnonGE007 | Posted 12/18/2011 9:58:08 AM | message detail
Link is King!
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#434 | foxhead84 | Posted 12/18/2011 9:59:32 AM | message detail
Safer Sephiroth 777 posted...
By the way have Clouderoth gained updates?At least it would be the first rival team to do that....

http://gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=4571&sort=time&type=ASC&num=2

They took 9 updates so far
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#435 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2011 10:01:24 AM | message detail
Woot!So there are characters that can gain more than 50% of the votes at an update?This contest rules!
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#436 | HaRRicH | Posted 12/18/2011 10:11:46 AM | message detail
Okay, two questions:

1) How well do you expect Red/Blue to do against Cloud/Sephiroth?
2) How much do you expect Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow to be worth against Final Fantasy 7?
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#437 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2011 10:13:49 AM | message detail
More than 45% sounds good in both questions I believe.
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#438 | abdou | Posted 12/18/2011 10:18:54 AM | message detail
I am shocked at this result and I think Cloud is weaker than ever even in 1vs 1 situations, but I am very confident FFVII is still the second strongest game easily, FFVII would not be getting owned like this by OoT if we ran that match today.
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#439 | Lopen | Posted 12/18/2011 10:21:27 AM | message detail
Red vs Blue's going to beat FF7 with like 55%. I don't think this is some sorta Zelda boost or FF7 drop as much as it is the FF7 duo not being helped by the format and being kinda weak-- they just haven't been tested at all.

FF7 probably flips that on Pokemon at least.
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#440 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/18/2011 10:22:44 AM | message detail
this isn't OoT vs FFVII guys

this is the entire Zelda series vs FFVII
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#441 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/18/2011 10:24:36 AM | message detail
When I saw the result this morning I audibly exhaled, then chuckled. That doesn't happen very often. With Link now it's like, "Oh you!"
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#442 | Lopen | Posted 12/18/2011 10:28:02 AM | message detail
In hindsight I'm seeing that this bracket could've actually been good if you could see the future and with some moving around in the bracket. Put Pokemon where Link is and put Link on the other side-- suddenly it really does look like a miracle run when it beats Mega Man, then ups the ante and beats Cloud vs Sephiroth-- people are giving it hype to beat Link at that point, and people like me are pulling their hair out and fighting Pokemon the whole way. And of course there are a lot of other things you could do like actually testing Samus and Snake, etc etc.

Oh well.
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#443 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/18/2011 10:31:07 AM | message detail | (edited)
Every bracket could be tons better with hindsight.

The frustrating thing about this bracket is it could and should have been much better from the start. >_>
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#444 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/18/2011 10:31:54 AM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #443
Every bracket could be tons better with hindsight.

The frustrating thing about this bracket is it could have been much better from the start. >_>


I'm pretty sure from the day the bracket was released we were calling for Sonic and Crono to be better utilized, Squall and Snake to not be fed to Cloud yet again, Mega Man not be fed to Link yet again, X not be fed to Mario yet again.
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#445 | Lopen | Posted 12/18/2011 10:32:02 AM | message detail
Well, yes, but with most brackets it's just "we could swap this easy match with this difficult match" and make the decent bracket better.

This bracket it's like... necessary.
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#446 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/18/2011 10:32:53 AM | message detail
#447 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/18/2011 10:35:26 AM | message detail
OH wait you're talking about FF series contest..yeah that was the favourite(and i took Zelda to win lolZ) thought you meant this contest so ireferred clouderoth as FF.
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#448 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/18/2011 10:37:13 AM | message detail

From: Lopen | #445
Well, yes, but with most brackets it's just "we could swap this easy match with this difficult match" and make the decent bracket better.

This bracket it's like... necessary.


Sometimes its hard to put a good bracket together, because setting up one good match could ruin 2 or 3 potentially good matches. This time we had some pretty clear examples on matches that were made through sheer stupidity.
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#449 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/18/2011 10:37:33 AM | message detail
But even in this contest it is not the entire Zelda series versus FF VII.Is Ganon in all Zelda games?No.Also not even 42% for FF VII?Man how bad will Mario get beaten?
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#450 | Lopen | Posted 12/18/2011 10:42:01 AM | message detail
Also I don't think any of the things we've seen wrong with the bracket at the start get that fixed without seeing the future. You could get a debatable match or two but talking straight up good upsets you pretty much need Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat in a place that most people wouldn't have them.

I guess if I designed the bracket pre-contest we would've had that cause I actually expected the fighting game rivalries to be strong. I probably would've totally wasted the trainers though.
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