GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1038
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You can't beat the LAW. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
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The
only way to save the contests(if it can be done)is to remove Link.Now
that leaves Cloud,Mario,Snake,Samus,Sephiroth.BUT all these characters
are really close in strength so the matches can be made awesome.I mean
Cloud/Mario?Cloud/Snake?/Cloud/Samus?Sephiroth/Mario?Sephiroth/Snake?Sephiroth/Samus?Samus/Snake?Mario/Snake?I
am sure that all these are really close.But if you put Link he beats
all of them.So where is the fun? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Is Vyse still our fodder line? I can't imagine Harry Potter dropping matches to him. No, Vyse is clearly fodder now, and verging on being bad fodder at that. Forget beating Laharl in a rematch, he would have a good chance of losing to Neku. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #498 I don't think Vyse is considered to be the fodder line anymore SoA is just too old! --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
Poor Vyse... :'( --- - |
Either remove Link or have different versions of Link. Toon Link wouldn't be able to beat a lot of those N9's. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
The
only way to save the contests(if it can be done)is to remove Link.Now
that leaves Cloud,Mario,Snake,Samus,Sephiroth.BUT all these characters
are really close in strength so the matches can be made awesome.I mean
Cloud/Mario?Cloud/Snake?/Cloud/Samus?Sephiroth/Mario?Sephiroth/Snake?Sephiroth/Samus?Samus/Snake?Mario/Snake?I
am sure that all these are really close.But if you put Link he beats
all of them.So where is the fun? Just don't put Link between those characters. It would be like getting mad at the trainers for stopping Ryu/Ken vs. Samus/Ridley from happening. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 101/128 Today: Mario/Bowser |
Removing the most popular character from a popularity contest is such a terribly silly idea. We just need the non-VG originating characters, that's all. As for Harry Potter - he definitely wouldn't be fodder, but he wouldn't be strong either. He'd be either low midcard or solid midcard. He simply does not appeal to this site like the "badass" type action characters. To me when thinking about whether a fictional character would be strong or not, basically my litmus test is the "Dante test". I ask - could this guy beat Dante? And I don't think Harry Potter would beat Dante. I'd still like to see a bonus poll that allows the non-VG characters to show their strength. If people think Champion against Batman vs. Joker would "give away too much information", then we should get Champion against Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi. I'd take Link/Ganon to beat Vader/Obi-Wan fairly easily, because I think that team wouldn't be nearly as strong as Vader by himself. I think Link vs. Ganon would probably 60/40 that poll. However doing around 40ish on Link would prove that the non-VG characters have excellent strength - because there's only a handful of entries in this entire bracket that could even threaten to break 40% on Link. Hell even breaking 35% on Link/Ganon would be something almost no team in this bracket could do. And also again, Vader vs. Obi-Wan wouldn't be as strong as Vader alone - Vader would do far better on Link 1v1. But we wouldn't know exactly how much better. So there would still be a lot of mystery on whether Vader could beat Link 1v1. But if Link/Ganon goes out and easily crushes Vader vs. Obi-Wan, say getting 70+%, then one would definitely need to question if the non-VG origin characters have strength or not. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
We just need the non-VG originating characters, that's all. We've been saying this for the last 500 years but the Admin won't listen. This site is crying out for something like that. What kind of negative effect would it have on the site anyway? Oh no Batman Vs. Link Final. Sites lost all credibility. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
Wow Pokémon is super front-loaded. Mario team has been completely dominating since the Power Hour. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
It
is Mario what do you expect?Still Trainers did well reaching this
far.Now if Link goes to the finals though and beats Mario everyone will
look really weak. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
From: creativename | #016 This is what I would prefer. I think the consensus is that Batman is probably the strongest non-VG character. So, there is also that off chance that Batman/Joker duo do win the match, and while that would show a strong case for a contest, it also kinda ruins who we think would win, because everyone will be picking Batman, instead of the usual Link(unless you think Link will want revenge). I would really like a contest like that, but I want the winner and bracket to be a mystery at the same time. The best possible situation is to use a strong(but not the strongest)duo that can be a legitimate threat, but ultimately loses to Link/Ganondorf by 5-8%. --- - |
Most non-VG characters would be fodder. --- ... |
From: Sorozone | #020 No more Duos We had Female and Males didn't we!??? Why not have a Non VG Brracket and a VG bracket and winner Vs in a Final --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: Sorozone | #060The best possible situation is to use a strong(but not the strongest)duo that can be a legitimate threat, but ultimately loses to Link/Ganondorf by 5-8%. Indeed. And I hope that the choice of duo would not be left up to Bacon. He'd probably pick something really stupid, like Goku/Vegeta or Harry Potter/Voldemort, both of which would get easily tripled or worse by Link/Ganon. Or Superman/Lex Luthor, who would also lose badly I think. And then Bacon would say "non-VG originating characters are weak, it's a bad contest idea". We'd need a duo that would have some strength. Something like Spider-Man vs. Venom or Wolverine vs. Sabretooth could work as well. Or maybe Professor X vs. Magneto. Now these rivalries would lose to Link handily (except for Spidey/Venom who might be able to keep it close), but they'd do better than the great majority of the VG rivalries in this bracket. If someone does not want it to be Batman vs. The Joker because they don't want to be able to estimate Batman's strength yet, I think Vader vs. Obi-Wan is the best choice. Spidey/Venom would be a good choice as well. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Personally
I like X/Magneto of those suggested. I suppose there's a chance the
site really doesn't care about the X-Men at all, but otherwise they
should be able to pull a decent portion of the vote without ever
threatening to win. They have a good relationship/rivalry too. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
From: The_Djoker | #022 Was strictly speaking about the bonus match. I do not want any more duos, tag-teams, w.e. Also I would prefer it to be mixed if this contest ever came about, have one side non and another strictly VG would be boring, because both would be pretty easy to predict, imo. --- - |
Who cares if they are weak?We will not know their strength and that will be good. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Yeah
there's no point separating a bracket into "originated in a video game"
and "did not originate in a video game". That would be worse than
division by eras in games contests. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
Bonus
should be Link/Ganon vs Batman/Joker.Not 3rd place because not only we
know the winner but all other bonus poll were something different from
the contest... --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
From: abdou | #101 People who think like this are so silly. I mean really, it's just so crazy that anyone would think something that defies common sense this badly. Non-VG origin characters would without question have more massive depth. The 64th strongest ineligible character or 128th strongest ineligible character would totally destroy the 64th strongest VG and 128th strongest VG characters. Just utterly annihilate them. You can't even debate that. For instance there's a good chance random X-Men character like Nightcrawler isn't among the 128 strongest non-VG characters. But he would completely murder Professor Layton or whoever. The field of characters who have appeared in video games but did not originate in video games is just too freakin' huge. The size of it dwarfs the VG originating field. It's just basic statistics - and basic common sense - that they'd be much deeper in terms of strength. You'd have a near endless list of non-fodder characters. Whereas if you limit yourself to VG originating characters, your field is *extremely* niche. So you're going to end up with tons of fodder. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Most
VG characters are weak in this if you think about it. Take away
everything from Square and Smash Bros. and we're looking at a pretty
awful field compared to what we're used to, and that's not even removing
the pseudo-Nintendos like Mega Man. Just based on that non-VG characters seems like it'd be massively deeper. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
Except
for the fact that this is a gaming website, being asked to vote for
characters who have been in video games, and that will inevitably weaken
non-video game originating characters. Can you name 64 characters who
have been in a game but didn't originate there that would do well?
Probably not. Remember who's voting. You may be able to name 64 popular
characters, but that sure won't translate into contest strength. There'd
be a few who do well like Batman, but the overwhelming majority would
bomb. And even Batman wouldn't be a Link beater. In my opinion, the book was closed on allowing non-VG characters in when Link beat Santa on Christmas Eve with several amazing pic disadvantages. With 60%. Santa, the most known fictional character, and possibly the most beloved, with every advantage in his court, only looked low Noble Nine at best. Batman isn't beating that. Nobody is beating that. You allow other fictional characters in, and Link still destroys. You could have some fun matches, but you could have those anyway. The last character battle was a big success other than Link obliterating his half of the bracket. That's why you need to remove Link (and place him in a championship match spot). Imagine how awesome the 2010 character battle would have been if you'd simply removed the Link matches. Hell, Mario probably would have beaten Cloud in the final, that would have been cool. Thing is, if you take out Link, you have four potential winners depending on bracket set-up and shenanigans (Mario, Cloud, Snake and Samus). If you put in characters who didn't come from games originally, you have one possible winner. Spoilers: It's Link. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
Edit: Wait, I counted Zack as non-Square. The 10th strongest non-Square, non-Smash character is Gordon Freeman. Keep that one in mind for these 'VG characters are so much deeper than non-VG character'. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
Lol @ link tripling goku/ vegeta. Good one. Theyd be one of tge strongest duos Also i agree non vg characters have more depth. Noon cares about random fodder in an obscure rpg. This is a popularity contest yes? Well "fodder" like indiana jones would destroy vyse or guybrush threepwood. The best of non vg might not be as strong as vg but the worst of non vg would decimate worst of vg. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #110Just based on that non-VG characters seems like it'd be massively deeper. Yeah it's completely bat<poo> insane to think that non-VG characters wouldn't have the deeper field, by light years. But who knows, perhaps he was simply stating the fact that most non-VG characters would be fodder in that there are millions of non-VG characters and most of them would be fodder :P I mean obviously that's true, after all! Most non-VG characters would be fodder since there's so many of them, heh. But when you compare the top N number of entrants, say the top 64 or top 128, clearly the non-VG field will be vastly deeper and have less fodder. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Big Daddy did pretty well, and is pretty much a gaming icon by this point. You were saying? Hell, name me 15 non-VG characters who could beat Big Daddy, bearing in mind that this is GameFAQs. And yes, if you took out most of the characters you wouldn't have many strong characters left, what are you trying to say? --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
The point is that VG characters are deceptively deep because of two companies. And do you really think less than 15 non-VG characters wouldn't break 55% on Ness? --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
Lightning. Your arguments are abysmal. Batman wouldnt beat santa% are trolling?? Non vg characters are deeper in terms of popularity Its a games website? Yes people play games dont do anything else. Goldeneye is an extremely popular game. James bond would be strong based on that game alone. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
Hell, name me 15 non-VG characters who could beat Big Daddy, bearing in mind that this is GameFAQs. ...really --- "My goal is to make this s*** cool again." - CM Punk |
Good lord, someone is using the Santa match to try and make Link look impressive? O_o Consider my mind thoroughly boggled. Santa wouldn't be close to top 10 strongest non-VG characters and he almost broke 40% on Link. That was embarrassing for Link. And kind of embarrassing for the Noble Nine in general. That's a match Link fans would be better off trying to forget. Freakin' Santa almost broke 40% on "lulz" votes alone. If I was trying to talk up Link's strength that's a match I'd like to ignore, and it would be the last thing I brought up. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Santa should have beaten Link, let's be honest. Link beating Santa was really horrible and sad. --- http://img.imgcake.com/Nevest356/1dollagifas.gif |
From: Lightning Strikes | #155Hell, name me 15 non-VG characters who could beat Big Daddy, bearing in mind that this is GameFAQs. For your sake, I hope you're just trying to mess with people and bait them via trolling. Because if you are actually serious...wowza. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Are
we still on the believing Gordon Freeman is weak thing. Especially
since he wound up really overrated in the stats last year. I mean, he
got 40% on someone who came close to Sephiroth! From: creativename | #154 What I'm saying is that there aren't many strong non-VG characters on this website. Operative phrase being "on this website". You'd have some stand-outs, to be sure, but I don't see what they would really add. None of them are coming close to Link here. Thing is, although there are many, many popular non-VG characters, how many would do well in a video game battle? Not that many, as most of their games are crap and they're playing to the wrong audience. Some, like Batman, would do well. But how many characters both have highly acclaimed and successful games and geek cred to draw in the votes? Not that many. I mean, if you took a sample of the population and held a best fictional character battle, the non-VG field would be deeper, yes. But not here, in this contest. You would deepen the field, but you'd only be adding, at most, 10 worthwhile characters and none of whom would solve the problem with these contests: the LAW. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
From: XIII_rocks | #158 Yes, really. I'm listening. From: creativename | #159 Haha, what. You underestimate Santa. He's the world's most widely known fictional character, and is just one of those characters everyone loves. And he had a whole host of advantages against Link. In that match, easily, easily the strongest fictional character. Not even close. And he still couldn't even come close to pulling it off. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
I think it's worth pointing out that on GameSpot,
The Goddamn Joker beat Ganondorf 55-45. Just because a site has Game in
the name does not mean that everyone who goes there lives in a bubble
where only video games exist. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
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Hell, name me 15 non-VG characters who could beat Big Daddy, bearing in mind that this is GameFAQs. Batman Joker Darth vader Luke skywalker Han solo Yoda Goku Vegeta Superman Spiderman Wolverine God Jesus Santa Bruce lee James bond Never seen lotr might be someone from there Also non vg characters literally SFF everything --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
Someone please tell me Lightning Strikes is just trying to elaborately troll here. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #204 It was Gamespot. And that about sums that up. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
Bruce Lee was a real human being. --- For your BlAcK TuRtLe. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza |
So, the stats say Ryu/Ken (and also Samus/Ridley) > MMX/Zero now.... but the question is, do you buy that? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
