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#401 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/16/2011 10:14:24 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #397
Do you really trust Bacon to not feed Mario to Link again in a real contest?

Really, really trust him?


Well, about the only thing he can do at this point to prevent it is to make him face Cloud or maybe Snake first, and even then, he might win anyway.
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#402 | jacko_vdz | Posted 12/16/2011 10:14:31 PM | message detail
-Dead- at the people who don't even want a good match. Wow.
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#403 | ZFS | Posted 12/16/2011 10:14:38 PM | message detail
Mario in the finals As It Should Be.
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#404 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/16/2011 10:14:42 PM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
I'd just rather see Mario's contest end with him whipping Cloud and Sephiroth than crushed by Link again!

You can still see this imo.


I know, but I don't trust this board to not push Link/Ganon to over 60% at the freeze!
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#405 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/16/2011 10:15:33 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #397
Do you really trust Bacon to not feed Mario to Link again in a real contest?

Really, really trust him?


Bacon can get smart occasionally. He learns from his mistakes.........slooooooooooooowly.
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#406 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/16/2011 10:16:21 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #397
Do you really trust Bacon to not feed Mario to Link again in a real contest?

Really, really trust him?
Bacon can get smart occasionally. He learns from his mistakes.........slooooooooooooowly.


Tag Teams didn't work...with MALE characters! Male/Female tag team will be better! Mario/Peach vs. Red/Misty who ya got?
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#407 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/16/2011 10:17:35 PM | message detail
God, every once in a while this tournament will have a few minutes where I don't think it is a terrible boring waste of time. And then it will be like "Nope, this contest sucks and is boring" and stop being interesting. Like Mario winning here.

Couldn't get one damn good upset.
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#408 | jacko_vdz | Posted 12/16/2011 10:20:46 PM | message detail
I know it's a bit early to call it, but I think this match confirms that RBY Pokemon doesn't really get SFF'd at all (except for Zelda, maybe). I put this down to the series popularity coming almost exclusively from the Gameboys. Truth be told, there are probably a large percentage of gamers who owned a gambeoy + pokemon who never bought a Nintendo console from gamecube onwards. And not to use real life examples as law, but I'd say this is a large majority of my gamer friends.
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#409 | swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2011 10:23:32 PM | message detail
Mario/Peach vs. Red/Misty who ya got?

Gotta go Red/Misty. That duo has some sass.
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#410 | Xuxon | Posted 12/16/2011 10:24:09 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #390
Mario is people's childhoods, even more than the Trainers!


Mario is the Trainers' childhoods even! Or at least Red's.
#411 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/16/2011 10:25:26 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Team Rocket Elite | #383
It's freaking Mario. It's not the first time a rally against him has failed like this.
This. Might surprise you guys, but people really do love Mario. Mario is people's childhoods, even more than the Trainers!

Also...

From: LeonhartFour | #388
*salutes*
*Salutes*


*Wholeheartedly salutes*
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#412 | jacko_vdz | Posted 12/16/2011 10:26:25 PM | message detail | (edited)
RED is playing the SNES! ...Okay! It's time to go!

Edit: Ahhh so much match pic potential wasted!!!
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#413 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/16/2011 10:25:45 PM | message detail
So, back on the topic of fictional non-vg characters being let in.

In a direct match, Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Ash Ketchum, who ya got?
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#414 | Xuxon | Posted 12/16/2011 10:26:53 PM | message detail
Red with at least a doubling
#415 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/16/2011 10:27:50 PM | message detail

From: Xuxon | #414
Red with at least a doubling


This. I'd expect Blue vs. Gary to be more even though!
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#416 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 12/16/2011 10:31:20 PM | message detail
Now I hope Mar-ree-yo and Boozer beat Link and Ganny

Even though that has absolutely no chance of happening.
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#417 | Xman490 | Posted 12/16/2011 10:36:02 PM | message detail
Ah, a quantity versus quality contest.
I think the quality is in Red vs. Blue, to be clear. The struggle of somewhat evenly matched masters where one is always faster but the other is always stronger is awesome. Blue is a real jerk.
And then Blue makes his Growlithe use roar or ember 3 times in a row and you wonder how he beat all the gyms.
#418 | izNotPerfect | Posted 12/16/2011 10:44:19 PM | message detail
lol mario's got this guys
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#419 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 12/16/2011 10:45:16 PM | message detail
From: Team Rocket Elite | #318
Mario, you were trusted with the task of dealing with the poke-menace. Are you going to fail in that task? Master Link will be very displeased...

Master Shortpants can deal with the problem himself if he doesn't like Red/Blue winning. =D


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#420 | JeffreyRaze | Posted 12/16/2011 10:49:24 PM | message detail | (edited)
Honestly, as much as I'd cheer for the Trainers any other day, this day I'm close to winning prizes in this contest for the first time ever. If the bracket goes cookie, I will get a bracket prize, and with the endgame format, possibly the battle prize as well (or at least go perfect safely, which would still feel great). At this point, I don't care about the quality of the matches. I want to win. Though if I had to go out, this would be a pretty awesome match to do so.
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#421 | jacko_vdz | Posted 12/16/2011 11:24:39 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4570&region=OCE

I love my region. Too bad we have literally no pull in these contests.
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#422 | Haguile | Posted 12/16/2011 11:29:44 PM | message detail
Two cuts in a row. DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?(no)
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#423 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/17/2011 12:03:14 AM | message detail
This is embarassing for mowser.

Anyhow uf cloud does lose tomorrow at least ill get see the boards reaction to when he stomps trainers too. Would be funny.
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#424 | creativename | Posted 12/17/2011 12:08:56 AM | message detail
I know this is off-topic from the current match, but I'd like to revisit Cloud/Seph vs. Link/Ganon talk.

Regarding my post earlier about Cloud/Sephiroth not living up to what Cloud did against Squal 1v1 in 2K4, I think I made a significant error in not accounting for Cloud weakening (in addition to Squall being stronger which I did mention). So it looks like there might be non-zero team chemistry added by Sephiroth after all.

I'd like to compare what Cloud/Seph did to what Link did on Mega Man/Dr. Wily. For simplicity let's assume both Dr. Wily and Seifer are at 20% on Link. And we'll use my adjusted values of 46.46% for Cloud, 42.74% for Sephiroth, 31.50% for Ganon and 37.84% for Mega Man.

Using naive "tag team" linear math, plugging those numbers into my linear x-stat estimator this gives us the following results for Cloud vs. Sephiroth/Squall vs. Seifer:

bit.ly/rsECeT

And for Link vs. Ganondorf/Mega Man vs. Dr. Wily:

bit.ly/ts7Lnl

Without SFF and "rivalry factor"/"team chemistry", Link/Ganon are expected to get about 63% on Mega Man/Wily. And Cloud/Seph are expected to get about 67% on Squall/Seifer. So Link/Ganon got about 12 points of SFF/rivalry factor against Mega Man/Wily. And Cloud/Seph got about 9 points of SFF/rivalry factor on Squall/Seifer.

Since we don't know how much of what each side did is SFF as opposed to rivalry factor, it's hard to compare. But it still seems like Link/Ganon are getting more of a rivalry factor/team chemistry boost relative to the rest of the field than Cloud/Seph are. However it's not as clear-cut as I was saying earlier - Seph does look like he's probably contributing something after all.

From: The_Djoker | #552You're comparing 1v1 characters again. pointless.


I think you missed my point. My whole thing is that I was talking about team chemistry - I was talking specifically about how the differences from 1v1. However I did err in overlooking that Cloud had weakened and probably wouldn't get 76% on Squall today. Assuming the same SFF ratio as in 2K4, based on my adjusted stats Cloud would probably get about 70% on Squall.

From: charmander6000 | #553People should be comparing non-SFF performances like Alucard/Dracula vs. Kratos/Zeus


Indeed, that match does make Cloud/Seph look a lot better. They held Kratos/Zeus to 23.22%, while Link held Alucard/Dracula to 22.40%. Now depending on your adjustments Kratos was expected to get between 55%-60% on Alucard in 2010. Kratos has probably declined in strength since then, and we don't know how the Zeus chemistry compares to the Dracula chemistry. But if you hold the two teams equal, then Link/Ganon are expected to get 51.77% on Cloud/Seph.

That's not bad, especially since Kratos was actually significantly ahead of Alucard in 2010. Kratos might still beat Alucard, though I think Dracula probably adds more than Zeus. So Cloud/Seph might keep this respectable after all. I now believe the performance against Squall/Seifer wasn't as bad as I originally thought.
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#425 | KommunistKoala | Posted 12/17/2011 12:21:43 AM | message detail | (edited)
When the hell did I get up to 25th place and, after the three people that picked the trainers to win it all and including possible karma/fun entries, have a shot at a prize?

Well then
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#426 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2011 12:23:01 AM | message detail
52% get
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#427 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 12/17/2011 12:27:48 AM | message detail

From: KommunistKoala | #425
When the hell did I get up to 25th place and, after the three people that picked the trainers to win it all and including possible karma/fun entries, have a shot at a prize?

Well then


literally didn't enter the guru contest
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#428 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 12/17/2011 12:32:51 AM | message detail
geez, Mario is probably gonna end up over 54%, maybe even reach 55
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#429 | Lopen | Posted 12/17/2011 12:35:20 AM | message detail
I'd love to see it but Mario's intake probably starts dropping once the day vote hits. The updates aren't going to go back to the power hour stuff but I don't see these 55s keeping up either.
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#430 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/17/2011 12:39:16 AM | message detail
Mario should gain well into the early afternoon, I think. Mario has a great morning vote. The second half of the match is where he'll start dropping off.
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#431 | SubDeity | Posted 12/17/2011 12:46:36 AM | message detail
So, I gotta gamble all my battle points on either Cloud/Seph or Mario/Bowser to have a shot at a prize, as going the vanilla route will just bury me behind the perfects. Cloud's the correct one to bet on, right? I'm guessing the iconic Bowser rivalry isn't enough to jump Link on the Nintendo SFF hierarchy.
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#432 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/17/2011 12:52:06 AM | message detail
You would have a better chance betting on Cloud than on Mario. Mario is expected to have no chance at Link here. I don't expect the Nintendo hierarchy to change just because it's a different format.
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#433 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/17/2011 1:24:15 AM | message detail
urgh, I can't decide if I should go with Cloud tomorrow or not. I'm so tempted, 'cause if it worked out, I would like... win... but I don't actually have much faith in it working out. .
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#434 | Lopen | Posted 12/17/2011 2:01:58 AM | message detail
If you're betting on an upset just to take one, and don't actually think Cloud has a chance, Cloud is the last one I'd bet on.

Why? Because it's possible enough people will jump off on Cloud/3rd place that you don't in fact have to bet on Mario to win. Unfortunately you won't be able to see how many drop on third place, but yeah.

Also if Cloud does poorly enough against Link you may want to put your money on Trainers > Cloud.
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#435 | Lopen | Posted 12/17/2011 2:03:11 AM | message detail
Oh... wait... 3rd place doesn't get a battle pick? How dumb.

Well my point about seeing how many drop for Cloud stands. It's unlikely that many go for it but you never know.
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#436 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/17/2011 2:03:46 AM | message detail
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#437 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/17/2011 2:05:12 AM | message detail
the 3rd place match was only added recently

it would be a bit too much for Bacon to add that and this whole % thing to the battle challenge so close to the end
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#438 | Blairville | Posted 12/17/2011 2:10:28 AM | message detail
You could go for 1% on the final battle.
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#439 | Lopen | Posted 12/17/2011 2:11:34 AM | message detail
I thought the whole third place was to help weed people out. Turns out that's what the percent thing is for.

Now knowing that exists I wouldn't take any upsets and go for the 1% (or 5% if you don't estimate many will be ahead of you) range, unless you actually think one will happen.

I kinda wish I knew this percent thing existed beforehand. I wouldn't have given up in the middle if I knew I could triple my pointage by nailing a 1% shot.
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#440 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/17/2011 2:18:09 AM | message detail | (edited)
Yes, the 2010 stats have Kratos getting 59.88% on Alucard.

However, I really don't want to be talking about any "team chemistry" boost relating to the Zelda duo because quite frankly, as I mentioned, every team that Link/Ganondorf has faced so far is even worse as far as team synergy is concerned. I wouldn't throw out a Cloud > Link upset yet, no way.

That said, I will probably bank on a Link > Cloud result regardless. Oh well. Make me a mock character bracket for me to predict.

On a side note, how much % does Mario need here so that we get X > Samus?
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#441 | Mannequin Depressive | Posted 12/17/2011 2:22:45 AM | message detail
The final 'bid' on the last match is really cool. I wish the whole contest was done like that every round. It would be pretty awesome.
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#442 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 12/17/2011 2:25:32 AM | message detail
Actually I just noticed that if Cloud's rivalry = Link's rivalry, you get Pac-Man's rivalry > Alucard's.

NO. All right, Cloud is doomed.
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#443 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/17/2011 2:34:35 AM | message detail
Pac-man likely overperformed due to the pictures the Snakes got.
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#444 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/17/2011 3:05:06 AM | message detail
I didn't expected the match to be this close.If only there was a good rally...
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#445 | janembaman | Posted 12/17/2011 3:30:09 AM | message detail
I just want to say something that many people don't get
The reason Red was so weak last contest was not because Red is weak and the rivalry helps,it's because more people saw Red as the character from SSBB and not from the actual Pokemon Red/Blue
If im not mistaken,the match pics had Red with his SSBB model,and not from the original Pokemon games
#446 | vcharon | Posted 12/17/2011 3:53:59 AM | message detail
Nope, Red is just weak. People don't really want to vote for Red by himself because he's not an interesting character, but Red vs Blue represents the entire Pokemon franchise (and it helps that Pokemon themselves are in 99% of the match pics). The majority of Pokemon players care a lot more about the creatures than the people behind them.
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#447 | SubDeity | Posted 12/17/2011 3:54:02 AM | message detail
Oh jeez I hadn't noticed the percent pick thing until now. That changes everything...now I need to figure out what to play for. Going for 1% is a longshot but necessary if other people are playing it safe. If I lot of people play it risky (or drop due to not paying attention), though, I could sneak into a prize spot simply by being careful.
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#448 | creativename | Posted 12/17/2011 3:56:33 AM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #854
If L/G matches C/S, it means the Snakes are worth 70.43% on Alucard/Dracula. I haven't been around for a week, but I suppose there's still not a lot of expectation of Cloud/Sephiroth doing anything?


You know that's actually very interesting, because Solid really is expected to get about 70% on Alucard, or extremely close to it. So the Snakes being worth 70% on Alucard/Dracula might actually be plausible - assuming no melty art or sprites of course!

From: LinkMarioSamus | #2202
Actually I just noticed that if Cloud's rivalry = Link's rivalry, you get Pac-Man's rivalry > Alucard's.

NO. All right, Cloud is doomed.


It would be interesting if someone could post a full set of x-stats for all entrants from the half of the bracket based off Zelda and FF7, based on the assumption that Cloud/Sephiroth=Link/Ganon. With say people from Cloud/Seph's quarter of the bracket being italicized while people from Link/Ganon's quarter are normal font.

We could see if setting C/S=L/G would look way off or not, perhaps giving us a hint as to whether C/S will at least be able to keep it close.
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#449 | vcharon | Posted 12/17/2011 3:58:49 AM | message detail
It's pretty terrible the semi-final matches will be the real finals, both of them are going to be a hell of a lot closer than Link/Mario. I just want to see Link drop 70% on Mario and completely ruin that side of the bracket.
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#450 | sword0flight | Posted 12/17/2011 3:59:14 AM | message detail
Red should benefit more at ASV.