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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1037
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I
suppose the concern is that Cloud/Sephiroth is supposed to be "the"
Final Fantasy rivalry and all the fans should be flocking to that and
burying anything in its path. That it should be the dominant rivalry in
the series whereas character may divide opinion. Its a little strange
its drawing a similar result to a Cloud vs Squall matchup then. The part I'm not satisfied with is that we're approaching a Link vs Cloud match with virtually no worthwhile data on either of them. Cloud has had a 3 matches in a row with some degree of SFF. Link has had one too, the gaps filled in with fodder and midcarders. Massive shame we didn't see the Squall, Sonic, MM or MMX teams used better. The poor bracket making is the real story of this contest. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
I
suppose the concern is that Cloud/Sephiroth is supposed to be "the"
Final Fantasy rivalry and all the fans should be flocking to that and
burying anything in its path. It doesn't work like that. FF has a far less unified fanbase compared to Zelda. Link is in every game, every Zelda fan can relate to him. You can't say the same for Cloud, i've been around many FF related boards on the net over the last 6-7 years and more than any other Franchise there's a bigger division between the games. FF is just a name after all, the games are completely different with different stories/characters even different gameplay changes. If you're a FF8 fan...you're gonna know who Seifer is and relate to him a lot better tha people who don't know anything about 8 or hate 8. So the "ultimate rival" isn't really a big of a factor here. This match is literally FF7 Vs. FF8. Also another thing i want to say is this whole "rivalry" thing. Squall Seifer are a far better rivalry than Cloud/Seph. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
red sox 777 posted... I expected Cloud/Seph to beat whatever Link/Ganon got yesterday, yeah. This is a major SFF match, Cloud's not doing better here with Seph than he did by himself once. Though, Link/Ganon's result was probably more surprising- I thought they'd come in a bit under the tripling and they came in well over it. Must be Skyward Sword I guess. FF8 vs KH was "suppose" to be a SFF match with quite a few predictions 60/40 and over... Yeah Djoker is right, you can't take the same SFF variables in two vastly different formats (that of nintendo's recurring franchises and squeenix one time wonders of a franchise). Also FF8 isn't fodder and has a decent fanbase, which guarantees them atleast 20%, you add in the usual heavy anti-vote of cloudiroth and a tripling looks sound in this format. The +sephiroth votes factor doesn't work as well against FF8 like it did against the snakes because not only is this match already lop-sided (harder to earn a greater percent) but voters of ff8 are pretty anti (would have less sway) of ff7 in it's entirety. Which means if they are not voting cloud they are probably not gonna vote because sephiroth happens to be there as well. I'd say this is an expected performance. And besides Link's obvious favorite this performance doesn't lessen FF7's chances, not that this match would tell us anything worthwhile to begin with. --- ------ --------- |
So you are saying that here in Europe we have better taste in games and in characters? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
No
doubt Linkadorf look good. But we've had this situation bfore, Cloud
last year looked sub par against Samus/Snake and people expected link to
55 Cloud, he got less than 54 and still lost outside US. We haven't, on Link's side. Link never looked good last year, he had 4 bad matches and then 2 decent (but not good) SFF beatdowns. The Alucard match was a genuine championship level performance. You're right about Cloud's side though, and there's the added benefit today of these matches being blowouts- I think we already basically believe that Cloud can't match Link's blowouts due to anti-votes. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
People
are making excuses for the ff7 duo. That they can't even match Cloud's
1v1 performance speaks poorly of their team chemistry. And the Sephiroth
vs. Ganon team chemistry/synergy factor was the *entire* reason they
were believed to be some threat to Link in the first place. Cloud got 76.21% on Squall on 2k4. Now Squall is probably stronger since then, from 32ish % to 36ish %, but that doesn't excuse the performance. Seifer is weaksauce. That Sephiroth is apparently doing *nothing* to take advantage of Seifer's weakness means horrible things for how they'll do against Link. Now they were always the underdogs, but my expectations for how close they'll manage to keep it have gone down after this. They needed 76% here to have a real shot at being within a point or two of Link IMO. Now I think Link beats them without breaking any sort of sweat. IMO he'll swat them away easily, sadly. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Now they were always the underdogs, but my expectations for how close they'll manage to keep it have gone down after this. They needed 76% here to have a real shot at being within a point or two of Link IMO. Now I think Link beats them without breaking any sort of sweat. IMO he'll swat them away easily, sadly. So..they have 75% now, and you think its a bad performance but if they get the 76% they have a real shot at Link? you really think 1% means anything in a heavy SFF match? LOL This match means nothing absolutely NOTHING. I would only call it a bad performance had Cloud/Seph failed to break 70%. But 75% or 76% what the *****ing difference? hell anti votes alone will account for few %ages. --- ... |
One
thing in Cloud's favor is the 10% gap between Link/Yoshi in 2004 and
Link/Luigi last year. That suggests that while Cloud may not be able to
SFF Squall as badly as he used to in 2004, Link can't do it to Nintendo
opponents either. By the way, Cloud/Seph have been rising with the morning vote (after falling with the dead zone- we should rename it the FF8 total domination zone), so they should take the ASV today. 76% looks to be in reach. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Back to the tripling! |
To
be fair, Sephiroth couldn't quite lay the SFF beating on Vincent/Tifa
back in 2010 too. Cloud/Sephiroth are probably hated to the point where
the voters are more inclined in voting for the weaker character from
the same series/game over them just for the lulz. In short, Cloud/Sephiroth aren't capable of scoring blowout or dishing SFF as well as Link due to the nature of anti-voting. |
From: creativename | #107 You're comparing 1v1 characters again. pointless. 75% is very good. I don't know what the hell you expected anyway. Squall on his own Vs Cloud is a different matter. 76% to have a shot at link? On what friggin basis? You're just pulling random numbers. This match makes NO difference to anything. Seifer is weak but this rivalry is still similar to what FF8 would do on FF7. Due to all factors..Noone can say this is an under performance or an over performance. Seriously it's about what people expected. So you are saying that here in Europe we have better taste in games and in characters? Characters Yes, Games no. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
I
don't think Cloud/Sephiroth's capability to SFF is going to matter
against Link/Ganondorf. Besides they are doing better against Squall
than Cloud did in 2k8. You can laugh at four-ways all you want, but at
the same time seven year old stats are probably just as bad. People should be comparing non-SFF performances like Alucard/Dracula vs. Kratos/Zeus --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 93/120 Today: Cloud/Sephiroth |
From: Iamthekuzalol | #111 This goes back to my previous post. People hate on them for the sake of hating. I've said too much on the Clouderoth/Linkdorf battle i'm just gonna say this. I don't expect them to win, but i think they have a shot at winning. IF they do lose it will be FFVII/OoT % similar to that maybe less. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: charmander6000 | #113 I'd take KRatos/Zeus with ease. I know Kratos Lost to Alucard what? back 2004 or 5 but cmon, he's gotten stronger every contest. I mean he got friggin 45% on Charizard! Even on 4 ways didn't he take out Tifa and almost beat Auron? Kratos 1v1 now would be a very good level Mid Carder. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
None of Link's matches were gonna tell us anything. He showed no signs of weakness, but at the same time he had the absolute weakest path of anyone that reached the final four. Only the match will show us how the match goes. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Oh hey, I'm on the leaderboard. First time, cool. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Well
to tell the truth Sephiroth and Ganondorf don't add anything to Link
and Cloud.I mean if you like Zelda games you vote for Link no matter who
is there and the same for FF 7.Now if it was Link vs Cloud/Snake then
things could be different but I don't think so. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
I
wish it was the first Semi. MAn i like these big matches..Smash bros
hype last year was insane..i've never ever seen hype like that for a
meaningless internet Poll. But i guess Gamefaqs contests aren't regular
polls, they go down in GF history. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
Even on 4 ways didn't he take out Tifa and almost beat Auron? Kratos 1v1 now would be a very good level Mid Carder. Aren't you conveniently letting out the fact that both Tifa and Auron suffered from being in the poll with Sephiroth --- Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die. |
From: creativename | #107 Based on what exactly? --- Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism. I liked smurf until he declared me worst user on board 8 - the jp |
From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #118 Seph adds more than Ganon that's for sure. HE's a meaningful character and has a real Fanbase, i mean his character alone is N9 status and for the last 8 contests has been a powerhouse. Ganondrof is an average Midcarder who also sucks in Brawl. One of the worst characters. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: Calintares | #120 Judging by how poorly Seph did Tifa 1v1 not that much. Auron probably but i don't know on earth Seph would have a significant SFF over Auron...cloud maybe. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
What does ganons viability in brawl have to do with anything? --- Smurf , The Cream of Sonic Fanboyism |
Theory time: Sephiroth did
SFF Vincent in 2010, and Cloud/Seph are doing exactly as expected here,
allowing for the same degree of SFF as was present there. Squall, through Snake, is projected to get 39% on Cloud indirectly (2010). Vincent > Squall and Cloud > Seph, so Vincent should be getting something in the low 40s indirectly against Seph (call it 57.5/42.5). Vincent got 37% (around 5-6 points of SFF needed). Squall/Seifer, presuming they'd lose 59/41 to Solid/Liquid (i.e. presuming Liquid and Seifer add exactly the same amount to their teams), should have got 31% here. They're going to get 25% (5-6 points of SFF needed). The point of this theory is this: FFVII cannot SFF fellow FF 1v1 to anywhere near the same degree they used to be able to. If you ran Cloud/Squall today, you'd get something in the mid-high 60s, not the mid-70s. Not that this match means much anyway. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
If you ran Cloud/Squall today, you'd get something in the mid-high 60s, not the mid-70s. This seems likely. So yeah, if they end at 75-76% here it probably doesn't mean very much for saturday. Call it 50/50. I was hoping too much for a championship level performance here to match Link's yesterday. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Auron got screwed big time by Sephiroth's SFF in 2k8. Compare R2 with R3: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3290 (Auron beats Sonic with ease) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3299 (Sephiroth arrives and suddenly Sonic is 62/38ing Auron) I'd suggest FFVII can still SFF very heavily in 4-ways, just not in 1v1s. We've seen this with other franchises, where when it's just the core base voting, the splits are very pronounced. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
From: __Smurf__ | #124 His individual Strength? And why it's so damn poor against Link? If Dorf was a high tier and popular character in Melee/Brawl he would be a N9. The problem is he's not and only has like 3 games where he's relevant. Also I know ganon and Dorf are technically the same person but if you did a poll Ganon v Ganondorf who would win? OoT Ganondorf pic vs OoT Ganon Pic --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
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From: Kotetsu534 | #125 There's more variables for Characters though. Cloud/Squall would be a lot lower than today i agree with that but FF7 Vs FF8 wouldn't. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: The_Djoker | #128 Ganon is good in Melee, it's only Brawl that he's bad in. |
From: The_Djoker | #128 lol. Suppose you think if Bowser wasn't stuck with Heavy kart badness in Mario Kart he'd be a Link beater as well? I know there are plenty of morons out there but I don't they're in high enough numbers to make a difference with voting on characters based on what they do in spin off games. --- Smurf , The Cream of Knuckles Fanboyism |
Meta Knight to challenge Link next year. --- I wish I could wear skirts and dresses :( -GMUN |
Obligatory Brawl is inferior to Melee Post. Still waiting for them to release Melee online... --- One of the most troublesome things in life is that what you do or do not want has little to do with what does or does not happen. 4983-4640-3352 Brawl Code |
red sox 777 posted... One thing in Cloud's favor is the 10% gap between Link/Yoshi in 2004 and Link/Luigi last year. That suggests that while Cloud may not be able to SFF Squall as badly as he used to in 2004, Link can't do it to Nintendo opponents either. By the way, Cloud/Seph have been rising with the morning vote (after falling with the dead zone- we should rename it the FF8 total domination zone), so they should take the ASV today. 76% looks to be in reach. And then he tripled Mega Man --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
I
don't think this match means anything in regard to the final. I still
don't think Cloud/Sephiroth stand much of a chance against Link/Ganon,
but this match isn't why. You can look at their matches throughout the
contest, and while you can try to excuse it away with 'weak characters'
'sff' or whatever, Link/Ganon have consistently had matches where it was
like 'whoa, yeah, they're gonna win,' and Cloud/Sephiroth just haven't.
Generally, when that kind of thing happens, you don't need to think
much about how the match will go. --- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." |
And then he tripled Mega Man ...he tripled Mega Man/Wily which is much weaker than Mega Man. Link does not get 75% on Mega Man 1vs1. You can't treat the matches in this contest like 1vs1 unless you think Cloud get 62% on Snake --- ... |
The
results of this match make me sad though they're expected. Well here's
hoping Mario/Red will be interesting because that's about it for fun
matches aside from maybe the 3rd place one. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 |
From: __Smurf__ | #132 Did i say Link beater? Are you blind? Calling me a Moron and then saying Smash popularity has nothing to do with it. Why the hell was Marth in these contests then? OH right his own Game is so amazing people nominate him. Also Mario kart isn't even the same thing so that bit was pointless. LAst time i checked..MK has absolutely no weight or strength on this site. You said what has Ganon being rubbish in brawl got to do with anything and I gave you an answer. Obviously it's my opinion but still, I didn't say it was the biggest factor either. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: Xuxon | #131 Yeah he's alright in Melee, nothing amazing though. He's absolutely terrible in Brawl. In fact Brawl is a terrible game so i'll stop talking about that crap now. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
Good
performance from Cloud and Sephiroth here. Whether they beat Link or
not, this contest has definitely redeemed FFVII a bit after a
disappointing 2010. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
So
Tonights MAtch, it will be over within the first 5 minutes for sure? If
Pokemon Can't get any sort of lead at the Freeze then it has pretty
much Lost. Unless we get something ridiculous Mario should be in the mid
50's by the first hour and then pushing 57+ by the morning and then
just steam rolling to 60 by the end. How do you think the first 5 mins should pan out for Trainers to have a shot? --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
Trainers
lost around 6-7% against Samus, so I guess they need 56-57% at the
freeze to be competitive here. I like their chances of outdoing what
Charizard got last year, do not like their chances of winning. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I don't give them any chance at all. IT's just hype talking. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: abdou | #137 That was in response to his saying that Link can't SFF Nintendo this year. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
He obviously can still SFF Nintendo; but he can't pull uber ridiculous stuff like 82% on Yoshi anymore. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
That was in response to his saying that Link can't SFF Nintendo this year. Sorry, I missed that. --- ... |
So
2 semifinals matches left and the winner in both of these has around
90% change to win.Not exciting.Anyway I will do my part and vote for
Trainers and Clouderoth but I can't do anything else.I hope the pictures
for Trainers/Clouderoth give them a huge advantage. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
We should have gotten Cloud/Seph vs Mario/Bowser I really want to see a Cloud/Mario match in any format. I guess Allen made the bracket with the assumption that Cloud/Seph will defeat Link/Ganon and go on to have a Cloud/Mario final for a change instead of the usual Link/Cloud , he is not aware of the LAW it seems. --- ... |
I
don't think he cares about that.I mean in the division of Alucard that
won not even one N9,in the one that Cloud won there were 4 of them. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
