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#51 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:14:27 PM | message detail | (edited)
Also, I guess this means Squall/Seifer could've beaten Crono/Lavos?

Squall > Crono in 2012 let's do this
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#52 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:14:22 PM | message detail
Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth 56.25%
Squall Leonhart vs. Seifer Almasy 43.75%
TOTAL VOTES: Philippines

Well, here's the problem. Cloud's power base, the place that always returns 85% for him against Link, is barely supporting him tonight.
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#53 | vcharon | Posted 12/15/2011 9:14:48 PM | message detail
Gordon Freeman vs. Dr. Breen – 16.87%
Zidane Tribal vs. Kuja – 16.77%
Ness vs. Giygas – 16.63%
Commander Shepard vs. Saren Arterius – 16.47%
Amaterasu vs. Orochi – 16.31%


Wanna see some of these matches.
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#54 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/15/2011 9:15:30 PM | message detail
Cloud should get a big percentage jump in the Philippines soon. It's still early in the match and with very few votes in the Philippines.
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#55 | abdou | Posted 12/15/2011 9:15:43 PM | message detail
are people really giving up on Cloud/Seph because of this match? lol

he is not beating Link but this match means nothing
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#56 | vcharon | Posted 12/15/2011 9:15:54 PM | message detail
Crono should lose to Vincent, Squall and Auron now, but that's just a guess I'm making without any statistical data.
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#57 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:16:13 PM | message detail
Squall is actually more popular relative to Cloud outside of the U.S. so he might not get a ton of help there.

At least, that's what Geolocation results in 2008 seemed to indicate.
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#58 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:16:35 PM | message detail
There's some progress.
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2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud.
Link 6, Cloud 2
#59 | vcharon | Posted 12/15/2011 9:17:04 PM | message detail
abdou posted...
are people really giving up on Cloud/Seph because of this match? lol

he is not beating Link but this match means nothing


I agree, but we're in the minority I'm sure.
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#60 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:17:30 PM | message detail
are people really giving up on Cloud/Seph because of this match? lol

he is not beating Link but this match means nothing


Not yet, it's only 15 minutes in and it is FFVII after all. Gonna give it some time.
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#61 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:17:54 PM | message detail

From: abdou | #055
are people really giving up on Cloud/Seph because of this match? lol

he is not beating Link but this match means nothing


Nah, people gave up on Cloud/Seph long before this contest even began!
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#62 | Xuxon | Posted 12/15/2011 9:23:07 PM | message detail
I basically didn't give up until Link/Alucard - you could sort of explain away everything else, but not that. It was more Cloud/Seph still having a shot at redemption and they aren't taking it.
#63 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/15/2011 9:23:35 PM | message detail
wow. It's like losing our last 3 perfects on Cloud/Sephiroth 2004, except far far worse.

You were close. There was actually only one perfect bracket going into Cloud vs Sephiroth 2k4. The person has Sephiroth winning the tournament so the match did wipe out the last perfect bracket.
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#64 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:23:59 PM | message detail
Hmm Leon I forgot if you live in Tennessee or Georgia, but seeing as Squall is doing much much better in Tennessee right now, I'm going to guess you live in that state.
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2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud.
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#65 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:25:16 PM | message detail
Tennessee is where I'm from originally, but I live in Georgia now.

But I'm glad my home state is doin' me proud.
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#66 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/15/2011 9:25:49 PM | message detail
Would anyone complain about the following bracket for the next CB? We have Link removed to face the winner. Then we have either a 64- or 128-character bracket with the other 8 Noble Niners being the #1 seeds. They are set up so the quarterfinals are as follows:
Mario
Crono
Samus
Sephiroth
Mega Man
Sonic
Snake
Cloud
(Mega Man and Crono could be switched, I guess.)
#67 | White_Tiger | Posted 12/15/2011 9:26:36 PM | message detail
Getting close to 73%
#68 | abdou | Posted 12/15/2011 9:27:50 PM | message detail
Europe love Squall
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#69 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:28:13 PM | message detail

From: TheOneAboveAll | #066
Would anyone complain about the following bracket for the next CB? We have Link removed to face the winner. Then we have either a 64- or 128-character bracket with the other 8 Noble Niners being the #1 seeds. They are set up so the quarterfinals are as follows:
Mario
Crono
Samus
Sephiroth
Mega Man
Sonic
Snake
Cloud
(Mega Man and Crono could be switched, I guess.)


Mario/Crono again?
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#70 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/15/2011 9:29:54 PM | message detail
I like the setup someone suggested in the last topic, with Snake/Mario, winner faces Samus, winner faces Cloud
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#71 | paulg235 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:32:01 PM | message detail
This is actually pretty good for Cloud/Seph considering last CB Sephiroth was letting Tifa break 40% on him. Their not the favourites, but their chances haven't changed from this result.
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#72 | creativename | Posted 12/15/2011 9:39:17 PM | message detail

From: paulg235 | #351
This is actually pretty good for Cloud/Seph considering last CB Sephiroth was letting Tifa break 40% on him. Their not the favourites, but their chances haven't changed from this result.


I disagree, they have changed. I would have made them underdogs to Link pretty much no matter what, unless maybe they broke 80% or something - but they needed a higher score than this for their stock to be neutral.

Now they may very well end up with a tripling, but still, that just barely matches what Cloud did to Squall 1v1. And Seifer is weak. So this means that Sephiroth isn't added much synergy or "team chemistry" to the team.

Whereas we've seen that Link/Ganon outdoes what Link does 1v1. I'd say that's more because the opponents are weaker than Link/Ganon being stronger than Link, but the fact is that Link/Ganon is outdoing the field by more than Link alone.

I think Mario vs. Bowser could be the second strongest team.
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#73 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/15/2011 9:41:12 PM | message detail
Mega Man should most certainly not switch with Crono there, that would be the worst possible placement for Mega Man. Him and MMX have been thrown against Mario and Link way too many times the past few contests. Since 2008, Mario is 4-0 on MMX and 1-0 on MM and Link is 1-0 on MMX and 1-0 on MM.

It's worse than Snake vs FFVII because at least Snake wins that sometimes and still has a shot at beating Cloud in a fair match at some point.
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#74 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/15/2011 9:41:14 PM | message detail
Ramza Beoulve vs. Delita Hyral – 16.66%
Laharl vs. Mid-Boss – 14.90%


lol

On the plus side, aside from Trainers, and if Mario doesn't get murdered too badly, we might see the Noble Nine all in the top 10.
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#75 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:46:39 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #072
I think Mario vs. Bowser could be the second strongest team.


Well, I said from the get-go that Mario/Bowser > Cloud/Sephiroth was more likely than Cloud/Sephiroth > Link/Ganon, so we end up getting a potentially really awesome match wasted by poor bracket setup.
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#76 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/15/2011 9:50:55 PM | message detail
Leon, I think Bacon knew that and avoided it intentionally. The point of this was to see if Link can lose, period. He doesn't want to risk that by possibly having Mario take out Clouderoth first.
#77 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:52:35 PM | message detail
Well, if Mario takes Cloud/Sephiroth out, then they obviously weren't beating Link/Ganon, so I don't see the point! Either way, we end up with a Link vs. Mario final.
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#78 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 12/15/2011 9:53:37 PM | message detail
There's still a lot less to wonder when Link himself faces Clouderoth.
#79 | creativename | Posted 12/15/2011 9:54:19 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #357
Well, if Mario takes Cloud/Sephiroth out, then they obviously weren't beating Link/Ganon, so I don't see the point! Either way, we end up with a Link vs. Mario final.


Agreed, good match was wasted.

Early part of Trainers vs. FF7 will be fun though. I see a repeat of Sephiroth vs. Missingno. I think the Trainers could lead for a while there. And that first update will be a complete slaughter.
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#80 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 9:54:24 PM | message detail
Well, I'd rather be able to get a good match out of it if Cloud/Sephiroth aren't going to give Link a challenge anyway!
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#81 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 9:59:49 PM | message detail
Mario/Bowser still have no chance at Cloud/Sephiroth, and win or lose, Cloud/Sephiroth are closer to Link/Ganon than Mario/Bowser. Cloud's still good for beating his percentage from last year pretty easily, probably 48%, maybe 49%, but winning seems difficult right now unless C/S can do better with the next 23 hours.
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#82 | creativename | Posted 12/15/2011 9:59:58 PM | message detail
Confirm/Deny:

FF7 vs. Trainers will be closer than FF7 vs. Link/Ganon?
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#83 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 10:01:47 PM | message detail
FF7 vs. Trainers will be closer than FF7 vs. Link/Ganon?

Deny. Well, it might be closer in the sense that Trainers/FF7 may have a lead change, but as far as the final result, no. Trainers/FF7 may end up looking like CT/FFVII- Trainers holding a lead for an hour and proceeding to get obliterated overnight.
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2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud.
Link 6, Cloud 2
#84 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/15/2011 10:02:08 PM | message detail
FF7 vs. Trainers will be closer than FF7 vs. Link/Ganon?

Deny. Red/Blue didn't look good enough against Samus/Ridley. I still doubt Link/Ganondorf will win by all that much over Cloud/Sephiroth.
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#85 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 10:03:11 PM | message detail
#86 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 10:10:36 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Linkdorf | Aludrac | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 78.24% | 21.76% | 726 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 77.36% | 22.64% | 5030 | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 76.10% | 23.90% | 10476 | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 76.35% | 23.65% | 5716 | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 77.50% | 22.50% | 13244 | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 79.03% | 20.97% | 16577 | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 78.10% | 21.90% | 3045 | (22:00-24:00)

Link does a decent bit better during the ASV, but no huge shifts here.
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#87 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2011 10:29:46 PM | message detail
74% breached
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#88 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2011 10:55:16 PM | message detail
Cloud and Seph are making pretty good progress considering the opponent is Squall. Looks like they'll likely outdo Link's performance on MM after all, to keep the hope alive. But Link's performance on Alucard is looking out of reach.
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Link 6, Cloud 2
#89 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/15/2011 10:59:29 PM | message detail
If Cloud manages to land in the 75.99 to 77.59 range, it'll mean Link broke the 9 year old Round 4 blowout record one day before Cloud would have broken it and pushed it out of reach.
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#90 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/15/2011 11:37:00 PM | message detail
Would anyone complain about the following bracket for the next CB? We have Link removed to face the winner. Then we have either a 64- or 128-character bracket with the other 8 Noble Niners being the #1 seeds. They are set up so the quarterfinals are as follows:
Mario
Crono
Samus
Sephiroth
Mega Man
Sonic
Snake
Cloud
(Mega Man and Crono could be switched, I guess.)


I would have Crono / Mega Man / Sonic duke it out, as well as Samus / Mario / Sephiroth / Snake. The only way would be:

Mega Man
- Crono (2-seed with MM)
Sonic
Cloud
Sora
- MissingNo etc. (high seeds, make the division more uncertain - another Heart division)
Mario
Snake
Samus
Sephiroth

I don't think Crono has a prayer for a 1-seed slot anyways.
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#91 | JJH777 | Posted 12/16/2011 12:27:53 AM | message detail
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3210/cloudvslinkmatch2.png

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Tried my hand at pic making. They ok?
I know there's a 0% chance the second one gets picked since no Seph/Ganon but meh.
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#92 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/16/2011 12:47:00 AM | message detail
I feel like the first one could be improved by making the characters larger. The full body doesn't need to be visible in the picture, but at least a closer view of the face would be good here.
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#93 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/16/2011 1:07:56 AM | message detail
Red sox..you seriousky expected clouderoth yo get get 77%here??? Cmon. Ffvii gets anti voted too much. 74% on squall/seifer is pretty damn good.

Also i still have faith in clouderoth. They can beat Link and They WILL beat him
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#94 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/16/2011 1:13:32 AM | message detail
I expected Cloud/Seph to beat whatever Link/Ganon got yesterday, yeah. This is a major SFF match, Cloud's not doing better here with Seph than he did by himself once. Though, Link/Ganon's result was probably more surprising- I thought they'd come in a bit under the tripling and they came in well over it. Must be Skyward Sword I guess.
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#95 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 12/16/2011 1:14:08 AM | message detail
I have to say that every single one of these pics is absolutely horrible. Out of 11 pics, Cloud/Sephiroth have now had exactly 0 pictures with original FFVII artwork. That's getting a little annoying, because it's easily the best art for them.

The Squall/Seifer pics are really bad too though, I mean really, the 60-1, 60-6 and 60-7 pics? That's borderline trolling, right?
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#96 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/16/2011 1:14:48 AM | message detail
But yeah, not giving up. Not after coming this far. Cloud/Seph look like they're going to beat Link's percentage on MM which is enough to keep hope alive.
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#97 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 12/16/2011 1:58:33 AM | message detail
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Needs more Ganondorf and Sephiroth
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#98 | jacko_vdz | Posted 12/16/2011 3:03:50 AM | message detail
The pokemon thread on this board gives me a little hope.
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#99 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/16/2011 3:12:39 AM | message detail
Man over 82% support for a character in the final 8?I don't think this ever has happened before.
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#100 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/16/2011 4:54:09 AM | message detail
We've never had such a weak final 8 entrant in Alucard/Dracula Before either.

No doubt Linkadorf look good. But we've had this situation bfore, Cloud last year looked sub par against Samus/Snake and people expected link to 55 Cloud, he got less than 54 and still lost outside US.

I think the reason why Links been putting these ridiculous % is the opponents he's been facing are really REALLY bad in europe. MM is invisble in Europe, he's barely a mid carder. Almost lost to Cid Highwind in europe.

Seriously I understand what you're saying Red Sox but SFF or no SFF...FFVIII still has a decent fanbase on GF and they aren't going to just vote Cloud/seph, especially the FF8 fans i know they hate how popular FFVII is.

FF8 is also a pretty strong game. 4th possibly 3rd strongest behind 7,10 and 6.
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