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#1 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/13/2011 5:59:17 PM | message detail
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#2 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/13/2011 5:59:26 PM | message detail
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#3 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2011 6:02:11 PM | message detail
I'm 12 and what is this?
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#4 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:03:34 PM | message detail
For those CONTEST PURISTS who are Real Mad that the first post wasn't actually the usual, LUEshi being allowed everywhere is the most important contest-related thing to happen since the Rivalry Rumble began. Deal with it.
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#5 | spooky96 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:04:01 PM | message detail
The picture looks like a teddy bear sitting on Yoshi
What is it? >_>
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#6 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:04:36 PM | message detail
#7 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2011 6:04:37 PM | message detail
It's the cover of Super Mario World in ASCII form.
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#8 | spooky96 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:05:46 PM | message detail
Ah yes, now that you've mentioned it...yep it looks like that cover! Wow this was awesome.
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#9 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:13:51 PM | message detail
#10 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:18:44 PM | message detail
This contest has been so boring we may as well make it more interesting with a debate on the LUEshi stats topic. Here's my opinion: it was stupid.

*waits for Ulti to rant about how that proves I am a horrible person*
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#11 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:27:43 PM | message detail
So how high do the Trainers have to go tonight to give them a shot at Mario? Matching Mario's performance today?
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#12 | Big Bob | Posted 12/13/2011 6:28:55 PM | message detail
If you imagine that Ryu/Ken is stronger than Samus/Ridley, then they're already over 60%. Add in some SFF and matching Mario's performance would be easy.

Now if they shoot for 70%, I think they'll wind up the favorite.
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#13 | Surskit | Posted 12/13/2011 6:30:47 PM | message detail
Trainers will underperform. Hard. Especially based on the pics, in which Red isn't very recognizable as "the playable character in RBY".
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#14 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:31:17 PM | message detail
There's really nothing Trainers can do to affect my opinion on their shot at Mario/Bowser. If they do poorly but still win, then they're going to need a big rally to beat Mario/Bowser, and if they do really well, then it's probably SFF and they'll still need a big rally. They feel very much like Smash Bros. in the Series Contest where they probably aren't threatened by anything outside the Big 3, but lack the strength to threaten the Big 3 themselves.
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#15 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/13/2011 6:34:26 PM | message detail
If Red/Blue break 85% I would take them as a favorite over Mario.
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#16 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/13/2011 7:05:28 PM | message detail
Yoshi / Kamek to beat half the rivalries in this contest!
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#17 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/13/2011 8:23:03 PM | message detail
Godly opening post
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#18 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/13/2011 8:25:47 PM | message detail
If Yoshi/Kamek made the field, I definitely would have had them winning my favorites bracket. That right there is a seriously awesome rivalry.

Also:

UltimaterializerX posted...
Godly opening post
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#19 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2011 8:26:45 PM | message detail
#20 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2011 9:02:26 PM | message detail
Well, aint this something.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
#21 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:02:38 PM | message detail
Hold that doubling, Trainers!
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#22 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 12/13/2011 9:02:41 PM | message detail
I picked Luigi/Waluigi over these guys
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#23 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/13/2011 9:02:41 PM | message detail
Dammit, terrible start. I wanted over 70% at the freeze.
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#24 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:02:53 PM | message detail
Wow more people had Mario winning in round 4 than anyone besides Link and Mario did in round 3
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#25 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/13/2011 9:02:53 PM | message detail
#26 | Gr8CyberMonkey | Posted 12/13/2011 9:03:52 PM | message detail

From: GrapefruitKing | Posted: 12/14/2011 12:02:41 AM | #022
I picked Luigi/Waluigi over these guys


God we're dumb.
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#27 | Achromatic | Posted 12/13/2011 9:04:18 PM | message detail
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#28 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:05:09 PM | message detail
Still holding strong.
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#29 | SHINE GET 64 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:05:12 PM | message detail
#30 | jacko_vdz | Posted 12/13/2011 9:05:34 PM | message detail
Ah these pics are awesome, love the eyes!
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#31 | EmDubyaSee | Posted 12/13/2011 9:05:35 PM | message detail
Holy God Samus won the Board Vote. The trainers are rising at the end till the freeze.
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#32 | SnoicFactor | Posted 12/13/2011 9:05:42 PM | message detail
Yessssss hahahhahaha gooioo
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#33 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:05:55 PM | message detail
Last minute was over 70. Woah.
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#34 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/13/2011 9:06:24 PM | message detail
This team got 78% on Luigi back in R2. Now it's R4 and they should be riding a bit of a band wagon (meaning they should be a bit stronger than two rounds ago). Anything below, say, 65% here would be a disappointment.
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#35 | swirIdude | Posted 12/13/2011 9:07:08 PM | message detail
No bandwagon will get them past Mario next round. So this is the pinnacle for the Trainers.
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#36 | paulg235 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:07:12 PM | message detail
Mario/Bowser vs Trainers starting to feel very debateable.
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#37 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:07:24 PM | message detail
I can't believe we're likely to watch Samus tear things up overnight.
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#38 | xXkewls0358 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:07:28 PM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
This team got 78% on Luigi back in R2. Now it's R4 and they should be riding a bit of a band wagon (meaning they should be a bit stronger than two rounds ago). Anything below, say, 65% here would be a disappointment.

youre forgetting WAAAAAAluigi
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#39 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 12/13/2011 9:07:45 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
96------171--------100.00
95------18----------100.00
94------11----------100.00
93------4------------100.00
92------22----------100.00
91------70----------100.00
90------42----------100.00
89------28----------100.00
88------56----------98.21
87------52----------100.00
86------279--------98.92
85------106--------99.06
84------113--------100.00
83------119--------97.48
82------176--------99.43
81------207--------98.55
80------227--------97.80
79------305--------95.74
78------317--------95.58
77------336--------95.54
76------363--------94.77
75------428--------94.16
74------445--------95.06
73------445--------93.93
72------475--------89.26
71------530--------93.58
70------533--------91.93
69------542--------89.85
68------564--------91.31
67------552--------87.32
66------525--------89.52
65------554--------85.20
64------505--------85.54
63------551--------84.94
62------487--------82.14
61------480--------82.71
60------440--------77.73
59------413--------75.54
58------408--------76.23
57------367--------74.11
56------313--------69.01
55------305--------70.16
54------279--------69.18
53------265--------64.15
52------200--------59.50
51------215--------53.49
50------194--------52.58
49------150--------61.33
48------150--------54.67
47------122--------43.44
46------116--------49.14
45------103--------47.57
44------110--------30.91
43------72----------40.28
42------85----------22.35
41------74----------24.32
40------54----------16.67
39------45----------24.44
38------46----------13.04
37------52----------23.08
36------25----------16.00
35------32----------21.88
34------38----------10.53
33------26----------11.54
32------23----------21.74

30------27----------29.63
29------11----------9.09
28------12----------8.33
27------9------------11.11

23------8------------12.50

19------2------------50.00

17------4------------25.00
16------5------------20.00

9--------4------------25.00

7--------4------------50.00

An easy match even for casual bracket markers. Mario's overall prediction percentage is still over 80. Everyone within 7 points of perfect got the match right. -23 (73 points) and better stay above 90.

No one fell off the Top 50.
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#40 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:10:02 PM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Biggest 24h Vote Gaps
1. Link/Ganondorf – 46897 vs. Amaterasu/Orochi – 9139 – Round 2 – 37758
2. Mario/Bowser – 40377 vs. Ike/Black Knight – 9801 – Round 2 – 30576
3. Red/Blue – 42513 vs. Luigi/Waluigi – 12021 – Round 2 – 30492
4. Cloud Strife/Sephiroth – 40294 vs. Kratos/Zeus – 12185 – Round 2 - 28109
5. Mega Man X/Zero – 37795 vs. Bartz Klauser/Gilgamesh – 11161 – Round 2 – 26634
6. Link/Ganondorf – 38913 vs. Mega Man/Dr. Wily – 12793 – Round 3 - 26120
7. Mario/Bowser – 37989 vs. Sonic the Hedgehog/Dr. Robotnik – 15834 – Round 3 – 22155
8. Mario/Bowser – 35947 vs. Mega Man X/Zero – 17978 – Round 4 - 17969
9. Mega Man/Dr. Wily – 34405 vs. Zidane Tribal/Kuja – 17638 – Round 2 – 16767
10. Solid Snake/Liquid Snake – 30137 vs. Pac-Man/Blinky – 14420 – Round 2 – 15717

Top 10 Most Popular 24h Polls
1. Red/Blue vs. Ryu/Ken – Round 3 – 58843
2. Cloud Strife/Sephiroth vs. Solid Snake/Liquid Snake – Round 3 - 58655
3. Link/Ganondorf vs. Amaterasu/Orochi – Round 2 – 56036
4. Red/Blue vs. Luigi/Waluigi – Round 2 – 54534
5. Mario/Bowser vs. Mega Man X/Zero – Round 4 - 53925
6. Mario/Bowser vs. Sonic the Hedgehog/Dr. Robotnik – Round 3 - 53823
7. Cloud Strife/Sephiroth vs. Kratos/Zeus – Round 2 - 52479
8. Mega Man/Dr. Wily vs. Zidane Tribal/Kuja – Round 2 – 52043
9. Mega Man X/Zero vs. Sub-Zero/Scorpion – Round 3 – 51721
10. Link/Ganondorf vs. Mega Man/Dr. Wily – Round 3 – 51706

Top 10 Highest Individual Team 24h Votes
1. Link/Ganondorf – Round 2 – 46897
2. Red/Blue – Round 2 – 42513
3. Mario/Bowser – Round 2 – 40377
4. Cloud Strife/Sephiroth – Round 2 – 40294
5. Link/Ganondorf – Round 3 - 38913
6. Mario/Bowser – Round 3 - 37989
7. Mega Man X/Zero – Round 2 – 37795
8. Cloud Strife/Sephiroth – Round 3 – 36435
9. Mario/Bowser – Round 4 - 35947
10. Red/Blue – Round 3 - 35329
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Rivalry Rumble: 85/104 Today: Samus/Ridley
#41 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/13/2011 9:10:46 PM | message detail

From: xXkewls0358 | #038
youre forgetting WAAAAAAluigi


Ridley hurts Samus enough to clearly give Trainers the SFF advantage here. Hate to bust out stats, but a 68% Trainer win here would still mean that Samus gets over 65% on Luigi, and that's assuming the Trainers have maintained the same strength since R2.
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#42 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/13/2011 9:11:21 PM | message detail
dat board vote
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Rivalry Rumble: 85/104 Today: Samus/Ridley
#43 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/13/2011 9:12:09 PM | message detail
This result doesn't look good enough to give the Trainers an edge over Mario next round, because I'd pick X/Zero to beat Samus/Ridley.
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#44 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/13/2011 9:12:51 PM | message detail
I still think Mario and Bowser deserve to be the favorites, but damn is this performance good.
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#45 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/13/2011 9:13:02 PM | message detail
The Trainers were never going to beat Mario.
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#46 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 12/13/2011 9:13:06 PM | message detail
yeah Trainers with a doubling might've made them the favorite against Mario, but it looks like they'll end up with 62-63%, here. not enough
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#47 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/13/2011 9:13:26 PM | message detail
Dammit, my Oracle. Pokemon is so good at finding ways to boink me. What a bastard franchise.
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#48 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2011 9:13:26 PM | message detail
First Quarter Stats

Mario vs. Bowser – 50.00%
Mega Man X vs. Zero – 33.34%
Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion – 31.54%
Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Dr. Robotnik – 29.42%
Donkey Kong vs. K. Rool – 22.40%
Kirby vs. Meta Knight – 22.24%
Ike vs. Black Knight – 19.53%
Jill Valentine vs. Nemesis – 18.47%
Ezio Auditore da Firenze vs. Rodrigo Borgia – 17.83%
Leon Kennedy vs. Ada Wong – 16.89%
Conker vs. The Great Mighty Poo – 15.85%
Katherine vs. Catherine – 15.82%
Bartz Klauser vs. Gilgamesh – 15.20%
Earthworm Jim vs. Queen Slug-for-a-Butt – 14.64%
Captain Falcon vs. Black Shadow – 13.04%
Guybrush Threepwood vs. LeChuck – 10.88%

Preliminary second quarter stats in a minute.
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#49 | Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2011 9:14:03 PM | message detail
62-63% would still enough for me to think it's possible, but I don't think I'd pick them with that.
#50 | izNotPerfect | Posted 12/13/2011 9:14:11 PM | message detail
I wonder how many of the Top 50 brackets had the Trainers here, I know I didn't...

My bracket is weeping...goodbye leaderboard
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