GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1034
It's on, Link! ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*List of All Polls (a search bar is at the bottom)*~ http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://www.thengamer.com/ http://thengamer.com/xstats ~*GameFAQs Contests Hall of Fame*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Contests_Hall_of_Fame http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Contests_Match_Hall_of_Fame ~*Character Contest Histories*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the Match Pics*~ http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php ~*Leonhart4's Trend Charts*~ https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?hl=en&key=tOGmynfNIiNy5VukpEF-PdA&hl=en#gid=0 ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense. Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
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Link will win the final by >55% bank on it --- Inter-planetary-mega-stellar-hydro-static. There's no gravity between us. Our love is automatic. |
From: SabrielAbhorsen | #002 He'll win the Final by WAY MORE than 55-45. The Final will be against Mario/Bowser or Red/Blue. Both would get sff buried by the King. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
I'm surprised that most in the Oracle are predicting Squall/Seifer to get over 55% on Sora/Riku. Doesn't that sound too high? In 4-ways, Sora got 48.17% on Squall, then 48.99% when Cloud was added in. In my hyper-adjusted x-stats Sora is projected to get 46.63% on Squall. Now many suspect Sora has gotten weaker since then, however Riku should be stronger than Seifer. So, why are most predicting Squall/Seifer to hit over 55% on Sora/Riku? Is it because of SFF? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #004 There is no reason to think Riku > Seifer other than the fact that he hasn't made it in, which is not an actual statistical gauge of strength (see: Charizard) --- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying |
14_and_counting posted... From: SabrielAbhorsen | #002 Link will win the final by >55% bank on it He'll win the Final by WAY MORE than 55-45. The Final will be against Mario/Bowser or Red/Blue. Both would get sff buried by the King. Right meant semi-final --- Inter-planetary-mega-stellar-hydro-static. There's no gravity between us. Our love is automatic. |
I'd take Squall to get substantially higher than 55% on Sora 1v1 nowadays, even without SFF. Sora looked awful last year. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: red sox 777 | #007 In night matches.... --- Behold the majesty that is Doom. Feast upon his greatness, and know you will never measure up. http://img.imgcake.com/Punny/scenemaybecompletepngre.png |
Sora looked so awful that even giving him a generous 2-3% boost to account for the night matches, he still looked bad. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: Achromatic | #005 Yes there is. Riku is the second biggest character in the Kindgom Hearts series. Seifer is like, number 8 (at best) in Final Fantasy VIII, and you could probably argue Edea, Cid, and Ultemecia are ahead of him, putting him at #12, in his one single game. There is also that KH>FF VIII on this site. So while I am not saying Riku will be stronger than Seifer, there are plenty or reasons to if you are one of them that is feeling that way. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
I
seriously doubt Seifer is only the 8th strongest character in FFVIII.
Also, FFVIII probably beats either KH game, though it's close. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: red sox 777 | #011 I wasn't saying 8th strongest, (no right thinking human could think Cid>Seifer in GameFAQs contest strength), I was saying 8-11th most important in the game. Also, no way FF VIII takes KH. And they are about dead even with each other. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
From: Karma Hunter | #391 Alas. I'd be willing to put a testicle on it. --- ##Alec |
That
said, this match has been really impressive, and definitely ups the
chances for Cloud/Seph. I wouldn't be baffled to see it happen at this
point. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/51alecpngpa.png -Nio |
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From: Achromatic | #005 I suppose, but I just don't see Seifer being all that strong these days. Squall had KH to boost him. Seifer was apparently in KH2, though I don't know how big his role was, and I doubt it means much to his strength. Seifer has probably not aged as well as Squall. But yes, it's not inconceivable that Seifer and Riku are of comparable strength. However Riku would be expected to get around 25% on Link and I have a hard time seeing Seifer managing that - but perhaps I'm underestimating Seifer. What do others think Seifer would get on Link? From: red sox 777 | #009 If you adjust him to 47% on Bowser, what's so awful about that? Bowser is strong, 47% on him isn't bad. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Leon
- where's the page on the board 8 wiki that shows your adjusted stats
for the last character contest? Because I think my page for your stats
has errors and isn't your actual stats: www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/60 --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Always love the opportunity to break out an ancient poll from 2002: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=846 Seifer loses to Zell but posts 31% direct against pre-KH Squall. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
If you adjust him to 47% on Bowser, what's so awful about that? Bowser is strong, 47% on him isn't bad. Sora was supposed to be stronger than Bowser, and Squall is substantially stronger than Bowser, so 47% is plenty bad there. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
the other topic hasn't even closed yet. oh well. EDIT: feels good to be able to edit finally. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
From: creativename | #016 This topic comes out with some gems at times. --- Smurf , The Cream of Knuckles Fanboyism |
Squall gets 51% on Bowser. --- Behold the majesty that is Doom. Feast upon his greatness, and know you will never measure up. http://img.imgcake.com/Punny/scenemaybecompletepngre.png |
14_and_counting posted... Seifer is like, number 8 (at best) in Final Fantasy VIII, and you could probably argue Edea, Cid, and Ultemecia are ahead of him, putting him at #12, in his one single game. There is also that KH>FF VIII on this site. LOL what? The only people Seifer could lose to are Zell, Laguna, and Ultimecia. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
From: pjbasis | #023 Literally posted EXACTLY what I was saying there, and you still got it wrong. I am not saying in contest strength they are ahead of him, I am saying in game relevance they are ahead of him. Seifer is behind all 6 main members, and Laguna, and probably Ultimecia, Edea, and Cid. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
I see your second post now, but I don't know what you mean by "you still got it wrong." --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
From: 14_and_counting | #010 This is stupid even for you. Seifer is 4th most important at worst. Only Squall, Rinoa, and Laguna have him beat. LOL if you actually think Selphie, Quistis, or Irvine are more important to FFVIII than Seifer. I suppose you're confusing "importance" with "screen time" or something. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... From: 14_and_counting | #010 Seifer is 4th most important at worst. Only Squall, Rinoa, and Laguna have him beat. In fact! Disc 1 - Squall Disc 2 - Rinoa Disc 3 - Seifer Disc 4 - Laguna AND Seifer is featured on the back of the instruction manual and on the cover of the game. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Seifer's
strength is probably helped a lot by being so awesome in the first part
of the game. Sure, he does little after, but I doubt that matters much. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
Seifer
would be helped by cool moments and a solid character design. Heck,
being presented as anti-Squall throughout the game probably helps him. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
From: pjbasis | #027 He's the main antagonist throughout the game (that actually has a form anyway, since Ultemecia does not) and your foil. Of course he gets position on the game cases and such. Hell, it makes even more sense with the whole semi love triangle that went on from last Summer. Still, there is no way he is more important (at least by a significant margin) to the overall plot of the game than Cid or Edea, and I would have a hard time saying either of them is even as important as Selphie overall. (I'm guessing she is the least important character plot wise, maybe Zell) --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
From: 14_and_counting | #030 Oh good, for some reason, I was thinking you had forgotten. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
Great
performance from Cloud/Seph here, IMO. If it wasn't for Skyward Sword,
I'd be wondering if they had a chance against Link/Ganondorf. --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
I don't get this if it wasn't for Skyward Sword stuff. Don't you think SS would have affected the past Link matches already? If the results of the matches make it look like Cloud has a shot...then he has a shot. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
People thought FF was a LOCK for the series contest too. It was a favourite. I hate when people use the term Lock. After the "who has a chance to get knocked out early poll" it certainly wasn't a lock. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
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A lot of people acted like it was a lock (including me) and it wasn't until FF/SMB that most of us gave LoZ a chance. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 73/88 Today: Cloud/Sephiroth |
It
was never a lock. I don't think most people treated it like one
either.....a strong favorite, sure. It's also silly to say that Cloud
can't win this contest because people got burned in a contest with
completely different circumstances 5 years ago. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: red sox 777 | #037 Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
Well, people keep bringing up how FF was supposed to win the series contest too! --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: charmander6000 | #036 And i had Zelda and OoT to win those contests. I have Cloud to win this. Good omen.. Also Snake is not going to get 62%'d, he's trying desperately to fend the "potential" winners off. --- http://gifsoup.com/view2/3219901/nakedlightning-o.gif |
this match is still on pace to beat the trainers vs fighters in terms of votal At the 15:26 update they have 1400 more votes. We could see 60k by the end of this --- Link's is pretty much the video game equivalent of the Jesus story. -- Yoblaser |
I still remember lots of people saying FF won the Series Contest in the first update of FF/Diablo. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Careful, you can't compare today's match to the Trainers/Fighters, because that one was on a weekday. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
I have Sora in my bracket and while I won't be risking my perfect battle bracket on it, he's scaring me. consider: Seifer basically limits Squall to just FF8. some other examples of characters limited to just one game/series: Solid Snake, Samus, Ness. all guys that have disappointed. Squall is in the same boat. Seifer does not beat Riku. Squall should retain *some* of his KH power just due to people preferring him to Sora in KH, but I don't feel good saying this is going to be 60/40. --- xyzzy |
Ness
did fine. Not sure what was bad about his performance. Being worth 37%
on the divisional champ is better than I would've expected out of
Ness/Giygas pre-contest! --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Kirby would probably be a better example of what you're looking for though. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Wow,
easily the best performance from these two and the best Square
performance of the contest (rivaled only by Terra/Kefka in R1). This
isn't Kratos - some appeal-only scrub waiting to get blown up in a
format like this - this is Solid Snake, a top 5-6 on the site and the
guy who has taken greater advantage of FFVII hate than anyone else. Not
since 2009 has FFVII looked this good in a single match. If Link hadn't
activated God Mode for three consecutive matches, I'd be getting hype
for the semifinal, and even now I don't think it's a lock. These
redeemed votals are a good sign, anyway. Cloud/Seph are handicapped by the first semifinal, however. Mario/Trainers should draw more (relative) votals than any SFF match in some time, and whether these new Nintendo fans prefer Mario or Pokemon, they'll probably prefer Zelda to FFVII. |
Yeah,
hard to complain about Ness much after Portal 2, Giygas, and seeing the
rest of the division. Many of us would have taken him to be last in
his division, and even last place (Shepard/Saren) looks better than I
thought before Link crushes them all. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Even
if Cloudoth win the match I think they will lose the final since people
will say<What 2 days in a row these guys?I shall anti-vote them!> --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
