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#451 | spooky96 | Posted 12/11/2011 12:32:03 AM | message detail
jacko_vdz posted...
Also, Ryu/Ken vs Snakes WHO YA GOT???

This time Snakes wins, I just figured that Red Blue would crush Samus and probably Snakes too at this point.
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#452 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/11/2011 12:34:53 AM | message detail
#453 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 12:39:49 AM | message detail
Wow, that comparison makes Red/Blue look really really good.
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#454 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/11/2011 12:43:47 AM | message detail
#455 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/11/2011 12:55:17 AM | message detail
Well, this is disappointing for Snake after playing the role of FFVII Troll in 2008 and 2010. I guess he has two handicaps that are affecting him here:

1. Liquid is a flaky entrant and only really a rival in one game.
2. The rivalry aspect could be limiting Snake's Nintendo support, which has been a steroid syringe in his ass since 2006.

Watching Frog/Magus suck (and extrapolating to Crono), it's now reasonable to call all three of Snake's matches a disappoint.
#456 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/11/2011 12:57:04 AM | message detail
And to think, shrinking voter base was Crono Trigger's best chance at being powerful again.
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#457 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 12:59:37 AM | message detail
First pair (Ryu/Ken vs. Snake/Snake): I'd still take Snakes, though if those polls were the only info I had, I'd take Ryu/Ken. Assuming Ryu/Ken = Snakes, and Cloud/Seph finish at 63% here, the Trainers get around 47% on Cloud/Seph, which is very very good. Enough to beat Mario/Bowser good.

Second pair: Trainers/Luigi may be an SFF match, and Waluigi is horrible anyway, so not much useful info on their side. But advantage Cloud/Seph, because Kratos/Zeus should be substantially stronger than Luigi/Waluigi, and any SFF Trainers got is gravy.

Third pair: Even less useful info, because both matches are SFF beatdowns. Though I guess since they're both SFF beatdowns, Link's is more impressive if we are to try to compare them.

So Trainers look pretty good to be the 4th strongest rivalry in the bracket, and they've got a shot at #3. They've got a better shot at winning than Mario/Bowser, if they can get a big bandwagon. That shouldn't be too hard if they beat Mario, and are up against Link/Cloud, the forces who always win, in the final. You bet Link/Cloud are going to get anti-voted against Pokemon in the final.
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#458 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 1:02:04 AM | message detail
. Liquid is a flaky entrant and only really a rival in one game.
2. The rivalry aspect could be limiting Snake's Nintendo support, which has been a steroid syringe in his ass since 2006.


Snake's biggest problem is not any of those but simply that he's facing Cloud AND Sephiroth on a team. That's just way too much power for him to handle. There's only one character who can even attempt to contain this team by himself, and his name is Link.
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#459 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 1:05:14 AM | message detail
People overrating trainers big time. They have no chance against mario.

And again people put too much importance on 1 v 1. We all know cloud/seph would never get 60% on snake. Cloud/seph together are just beasts. They can beat link. They WILL beat him
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#460 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/11/2011 1:31:01 AM | message detail
Question: What would Snake get on Cloud 1-on-1 these days with no Brawl boost and no bandwagon?
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#461 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/11/2011 1:38:03 AM | message detail
#462 | creativename | Posted 12/11/2011 2:28:24 AM | message detail

From: IngmarBirdman | #2301
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4554
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4562

Who ya got?


SFF makes it uncomparable.

Cloud/Sephiroth vs. Squall/Seifer will be how you can compare to Link/Ganon vs. MM/Wily.
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#463 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 2:47:40 AM | message detail
17% for Alucard?Man is that low!And for today's match Cloudoth is doing all right.
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#464 | Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/11/2011 2:48:23 AM | message detail
I'm expecting Squall/Seifer to get absolutely embarrassed there. I'm probably one of the bigger FFVIII fans around, and I'll be voting for the FFVII duo. Other than maybe the opening cinematic being awesome, there's just no reason to vote for their rivalry at all.
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#465 | spooky96 | Posted 12/11/2011 2:58:50 AM | message detail | (edited)
Mario-Bowser vs Trainers and Cloud-Seph vs Link-Ganon will the closest matches of this contest.
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#466 | transcience | Posted 12/11/2011 4:17:37 AM | message detail
nice performance - not good enough to put Link on notice but maybe the first impressive FF7 match in 2-3 years. though maybe this is Snake being a lot worse than we thought. he's yet to have an impressive performance really.

really curious to see Samus vs. Red after this. not even sure why.
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#467 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 5:11:34 AM | message detail
We can all agree Sephiroth is by far and away the strongest 2nd half Rivalry in the contest, Cloud being the #2 guy on the site overall. Combine them together and you've got one hell of a pairing...the pairing that can beat Link. Link is the favourite, but if there is anything out there that can beat him..it's this contest because Ganondorf is irrelevant and may hurt Link.

People always think the LAW applies but Link beat Cloud by what? 53%? You have to look at it this way

47% of the site voted against Link and For Cloud. HE only has to make up that small%. He has Seph with him and he can do damage.

I can't wait for next weeks match...almost has that Brawl/Melee Hype to it.

Also just want to say that this will be the first time I'll vote in FFVII's favour ahead of Zelda in contest history and i've been voting since 2002, but as a rivalry contest...link/ganon don't deserve to win it. I'd put Mario/Bowser ahead of anything. There maybe many more people like me.

P.S yes the SS disappointment has something to do with me antivoting Link.
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#468 | Achromatic | Posted 12/11/2011 5:15:48 AM | message detail
Djoker you are just dumb if you think after three Link matches that Ganondorf is hurting Link.
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#469 | spooky96 | Posted 12/11/2011 5:16:41 AM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
We can all agree Sephiroth is by far and away the strongest 2nd half Rivalry in the contest, Cloud being the #2 guy on the site overall. Combine them together and you've got one hell of a pairing...the pairing that can beat Link. Link is the favourite, but if there is anything out there that can beat him..it's this contest because Ganondorf is irrelevant and may hurt Link.

People always think the LAW applies but Link beat Cloud by what? 53%? You have to look at it this way


IMO, most of the voters are casual, I believe 50% of the voters don't sit and analyse which rivalry is better. That's why I would still go with Link with this too.
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#470 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 5:25:45 AM | message detail

From: Achromatic | #468
Djoker you are just dumb if you think after three Link matches that Ganondorf is hurting Link.


And you're being pessimistic. Ok lets put it this way. Seph boosts Cloud more then Ganon Boosts Link. I'm not saying Link has no chance or anything like that, if you refer back to what i've been saying all week..i'm just saying Clo9ud/Seph have a shot. If zelda is ever going to lose to FF ever again....this is pretty much the only tournament left.
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#471 | Achromatic | Posted 12/11/2011 5:29:38 AM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #470
And you're being pessimistic. Ok lets put it this way. Seph boosts Cloud more then Ganon Boosts Link. I'm not saying Link has no chance or anything like that, if you refer back to what i've been saying all week..i'm just saying Clo9ud/Seph have a shot. If zelda is ever going to lose to FF ever again....this is pretty much the only tournament left.


Yeah, I disagree with this too. I don't think Cloud/Sephiroth have a shot in hell.

This is why: This site loves the Legend of Zelda. It may not be a blowout over final fantasy, but it is clear every time for several years running now. For a site that loves Link, that generally likes Ganondorf, and adores almost every single Zelda title the rivalry between those two characters is going to be a big deal. This is less a reflection of each character and more a reflection of gameFAQs love of the games and the series. Link/Ganondorf I have always thought would get a good boost from the format just because of how beloved their games are. Posting 75% on Megaman tends to make me think I was right.
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#472 | CP724 | Posted 12/11/2011 5:30:16 AM | message detail
or ff7 remake then cloud 55-45s link
#473 | Achromatic | Posted 12/11/2011 5:31:47 AM | message detail
An FF7 remake would not save Cloud and Sephiroth.
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#474 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 5:46:23 AM | message detail

From: Achromatic | #471
Yeah, I disagree with this too. I don't think Cloud/Sephiroth have a shot in hell.

This is why: This site loves the Legend of Zelda. It may not be a blowout over final fantasy, but it is clear every time for several years running now. For a site that loves Link, that generally likes Ganondorf, and adores almost every single Zelda title the rivalry between those two characters is going to be a big deal. This is less a reflection of each character and more a reflection of gameFAQs love of the games and the series. Link/Ganondorf I have always thought would get a good boost from the format just because of how beloved their games are. Posting 75% on Megaman tends to make me think I was right.


75% for what is a virtual SFF blowout isn't anything special. MM is abysmal in Europe, only really strong in US and Zelda is stronger...you take that away MM will end up looking like crap

Saying Cloud has no shot at all is just wrong. He does have a Shot. People just look at Link winning every contest and thinks that's that. Yes he's the favourite but we're talking about a guy on his own is virtually the ONLY character in the history of this contest the only GAME in the history of this contest to beat Zelda.

Yes it' improbable but if it's going to happen this is the only format and contest it can ever happen in. You've got Cloud/Seph two of the top 5 strongest characters on the site as 1 entry.

amefaqs loves Zelda? I've been on Gamefaqs for a long long time, i know it loves Zelda...you know another game Gamfaqs loves? FFVII. The staple and the evolution of Gamefaqs was based off the success of FFVII(and OoT) in the late 90's. These games have the biggest fanbases on this site for a reason. So yes Zelda should be favoured Link is the favourite, but don't completely discount Cloud here. He has a shot. I wanna see you debate other matches because you seem to think it's so simple.
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#475 | Achromatic | Posted 12/11/2011 5:48:20 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_battle_stats.html

# 5 Achromatic

sure let's debate other matches, I've been spot on in this contest so far.

But in the afternoon, as sadly it is work time
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#476 | abdou | Posted 12/11/2011 5:48:44 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
An FF7 remake would not save Cloud and Sephiroth.

Now that's dumb.
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#477 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 5:59:30 AM | message detail

From: Achromatic | #473
An FF7 remake would not save Cloud and Sephiroth.


Sure it wouldn't. I'm sure Countless Zelda games, Smash Bros appearance and the increase of the Nintendo fanbase on GF over the last 10 years didn't help Link either. If a FFVII remake (on PS3) happened, you can bet your ass Cloud/Seph get stronger.
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#478 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 6:02:38 AM | message detail

From: Achromatic | #475
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_battle_stats.html

# 5 Achromatic

sure let's debate other matches, I've been spot on in this contest so far.

But in the afternoon, as sadly it is work time


I bet you have Samus over Trainers then? What is your Bracket Score.
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#479 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 6:02:57 AM | message detail
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#480 | spooky96 | Posted 12/11/2011 6:07:10 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_battle_stats.html

# 5 Achromatic



Whom have you picked a as your winner?
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#481 | Xuxon | Posted 12/11/2011 6:36:36 AM | message detail
Speaking as someone who predicted 63% for this match and Cloud in my bracket, I think Link would get 64-65%. So it's within the margin of error for maybe beating Link, but I think Link should still be the favorite.
#482 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 6:55:09 AM | message detail
I don't think anyone is denying link isn't the favourite. I knew he was the favourite when i picked Cloud. I just have this feeling things won't go the way of the LAW. But that's why we have these debates. Lets see what happens Next Sunday.
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#483 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 12/11/2011 7:22:34 AM | message detail | (edited)
Link will always be the massive, massive, unbelievable he could even lose favorite over Cloud going into a match because it's been like 7 years since Cloud has even threatened Link.
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#484 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 8:02:36 AM | message detail
Link is the huge favorite because people have gotten burned too much doubting Link and Zelda. The site does love Zelda, but it also loves FFVII. 53% of the site likes Zelda more than FFVII. 47% of the site likes FFVII more than Zelda.
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#485 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/11/2011 8:04:20 AM | message detail
Link is the huge favorite because his series isn't dead.
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#486 | Achromatic | Posted 12/11/2011 9:44:12 AM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #478
I bet you have Samus over Trainers then? What is your Bracket Score.


I have trainers over Samus, actually. Easily. Not even close.

My bracket score is worse because I made a couple of poor decisions, most that I regretted right after the bracket closed (ironically mostly overestimating FF games)
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#487 | abdou | Posted 12/11/2011 10:46:14 AM | message detail
GranzonEx posted...
Link is the huge favorite because his series isn't dead.

Final Fantasy series is not dead either. Its still multi million seller. The quality is not as good as it once was but same thing happening with Zelda.
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#488 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/11/2011 10:56:38 AM | message detail
Southwest Division

Alucard vs. Dracula – 50.00%
Frog vs. Magus – 46.75%
Chell vs. GLaDOS – 45.34%
Phoenix Wright vs. Miles Edgeworth – 43.33%
Raiden vs. Vamp – 41.02%
Gordon Freeman vs. Dr. Breen – 37.65%
Ness vs. Giygas – 37.11%
Commander Shepard vs. Saren Arterius – 36.77%

Man, now I feel like a total Goober for taking Frog > Sheppard in that division finals.
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#489 | pjbasis | Posted 12/11/2011 11:01:44 AM | message detail
Saren's fault.

62% about to be breached, what has Clouderoth been averaging during the day?
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#490 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 11:09:50 AM | message detail
Looks like they've been pulling in about 63% since 9 AM.
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#491 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/11/2011 11:11:27 AM | message detail
Cloud seems to have stabilized around 12 PM and it's stayed that way since then.
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#492 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2011 11:12:32 AM | message detail

From: Lieutenant Kettch | #464
Other than maybe the opening cinematic being awesome, there's just no reason to vote for their rivalry at all.


What?

Squall/Seifer is a good rivalry, and they're excellent foils.
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#493 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 11:13:21 AM | message detail

From: Achromatic | #486
I have trainers over Samus, actually. Easily. Not even close.

My bracket score is worse because I made a couple of poor decisions, most that I regretted right after the bracket closed (ironically mostly overestimating FF games)


What do you have in Your bracket, Trainers or Samus. Obviously BAttle Bracket people will choose the huge favourite(trainers).
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#494 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/11/2011 11:26:08 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #484
Link is the huge favorite because people have gotten burned too much doubting Link and Zelda. The site does love Zelda, but it also loves FFVII. 53% of the site likes Zelda more than FFVII. 47% of the site likes FFVII more than Zelda.


Or hates less.

I just can't see as much Antivoting for Cloud/Seph against Link/Ganondorf.

honestly, this is going to be a lot closer than people think it's going to be. I've said before, if there is a contest where FF can have a shot...it's this. Seph/Cloud together is as strong as you're going to get in terms of a Dual Pairing. I don't care if Links the favourite, i know this, we know the LAW, but i'm not going to go back on what i thougt pre-Contest.


Also lets say for argument sake Link ends up Losing. What would be your reaction?
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#495 | pjbasis | Posted 12/11/2011 11:29:11 AM | message detail
Jubilation cause I probably won the contest.

And then dismay that someone else has the same bracket and my tiebreaker is higher.
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#496 | 14_and_counting | Posted 12/11/2011 11:29:41 AM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #494
Or hates less.

I just can't see as much Antivoting for Cloud/Seph against Link/Ganondorf.

honestly, this is going to be a lot closer than people think it's going to be. I've said before, if there is a contest where FF can have a shot...it's this. Seph/Cloud together is as strong as you're going to get in terms of a Dual Pairing. I don't care if Links the favourite, i know this, we know the LAW, but i'm not going to go back on what i thougt pre-Contest.


Also lets say for argument sake Link ends up Losing. What would be your reaction?




People thought FF was a LOCK for the series contest too.
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#497 | red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2011 11:30:41 AM | message detail
Celebration for getting Cloud > Link right and for finally overthrowing Link's reign of tyranny. And, next year I could root for Link without feeling any compunction over him winning too much.
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#498 | pjbasis | Posted 12/11/2011 11:31:15 AM | message detail
I wasn't around for that contest, but it just doesn't make sense that the FF series would have a more unified fanbase than Zelda.
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#499 | 14_and_counting | Posted 12/11/2011 11:37:26 AM | message detail

From: pjbasis | #498
I wasn't around for that contest, but it just doesn't make sense that the FF series would have a more unified fanbase than Zelda.


No, no it didn't. The fact that OoT got close to FF VII alone should have been a huge clue they had no chance. The second strongest FF would get ROLLED by ALttP And there are alot of stronger Zelda games than FF games at that point too. We saw Windwaker and LoZ kill everything that moved (till met by cheaters) in the games contest, not so for other FF games. They looked good to be sure (especially FF VI) but just not the same strength as the rest of Zelda.
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#500 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2011 11:37:41 AM | message detail
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