GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1032
It
is kinda funny how Ganondorf gets crapped on for being a "Link leech,"
but he'd beat the likes of Wily, Robotnik, and Ridley worse than Link
would beat Mega Man, Sonic, or Samus. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
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Which proves he's a Link leech more than ever! --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
It just means Wily, Robotnik, and Ridley are even bigger Mega Man, Sonic, and Samus leeches. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
I do wonder how a match between some of these rivals would go 1-on-1. Not that I'd actually like to see them, but I wonder if we could actually see something worse than Link/Ganondorf with one of these rivalries. Not likely, but hey. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
But
he gets singled out for it far more than anyone else, when it seems
like most villains in gaming history are terribly weak leeches. Robotnik
is more of a "Sonic leech" than Ganon is a "Link leech." I think Bowser
and the handful or RPG villains that make these contests every year are
the exception, not the rule. Ganondorf doesn't have as much
character-driven strength as those guys, but he's got more than most
villains. Look at some of the villains that made this contest for
comparison. >_> --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Ganondorf
gets singled out for it because he's actually had a direct match where
he got humiliated for it worse than anyone's ever been humiliated
before, and because he's actually strong apart from Link. Nobody cares
if Wily's a leech because he's weak anyway. --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg |
"Robotnik is more of a "Sonic leech" than Ganon is a "Link leech."" Reqally? Robotnik isn't much of a leech to me at all. That implies it has leeched some kind of strength >_> --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
From: LeonhartFour | #304 If we revert back to 1v1, then anti-voting and anti-blowoutFAQs probably rear their heads again. I think Ganondorf will do better than 12% this time. And anyway, Sonic, Mega Man, and Samus could all potentially exceed Link's percentage. There are others who may do so as well: Donkey Kong, Ezio, Kratos, hell, freakin' Layton could shoot for 80 on whoever his villain was. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
From: XIII_rocks | #307 There's a larger gap between Sonic and Robotnik's strength than between Link and Ganon's (relatively speaking), because Ganon would beat Robotnik by more than Link would beat Sonic. To me, this implies that Ganon has more of "his own" strength than someone like Robotnik. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Yeah, but you're bringing up the REASON why Ganondorf is considered such a big leech: From: PartOfYourWorld | #308 Who gives a crap about any of these villains? --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
Yeah
those don't strike me as very good examples. They don't have any
tangible strength; I'd expect any character worth his salt to triple or
quadruple Layton's villain --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Also, 2004 was the SFF contest. Look at all of those SFF blowouts. Nobody came within 13%
of what Link did to Ganondorf as far as same-series SFF is concerned.
Crono got 70% on Magus, Mario got 70% on Bowser, Mega Man got 56% on
Zero, Sephiroth got 70% on Auron. And then Link puts up 88% on Ganondorf. He got beat worse than Link beat CATS. For as strong as Ganondorf is, CATS had more people willing to vote him over Link than Ganondorf did. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
From: LeonhartFour | #310 No one, but you asked if we might see something worse, not "see something worse in the rivalries worth caring about." Also again: Sonic, Mega Man, Samus. There's no plausible reason why they couldn't give their villains similarly bad beatdowns, and their villains are pretty famous as far as video games go. There are lots of other cases. Off the top of my head: I bet Sora could obliterate Ansem if it wasn't for the anti-votes he'd probably receive against anyone. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Your original question was "Why is Ganondorf the one who takes so much heat for being a leech?" And I'm just telling you why. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
It
is kinda funny how Ganondorf gets crapped on for being a "Link leech,"
but he'd beat the likes of Wily, Robotnik, and Ridley worse than Link
would beat Mega Man, Sonic, or Samus. My first reaction upon seeing this was to reply that no, Ganon wouldn't beat those villains as badly as Link beats the heroes, because Legend of Zelda has the greatest strength gaps between the top and lower entries among all major entities in these contests, but on second thought, you are actually right. Nonetheless, I think Ganondorf is extraordinarily weak relative to Link than most series' #2 is compared to #1. Link:Ganondorf is probably about the same as Crono:Lavos. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Having
a stronger result against Link than Ganon was one of CATS' finest
moments (not as good as the first few hours of the Ansem match, mind) *sob* we miss you CATS --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
True but those are all fodders. Ganon has turned to an average midcarder recently. His peak was getting 42% on seph --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
Is Ganondorf even the series #2? Why haven't we seen Ganondorf/Zelda yet? Why do we always get the SFF matches nobody gives a crap about and nobody wants to see? There are SFF matches some of us actually want to see, and we never get them! --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
From: LeonhartFour | #314 I get that, but I'm wondering if guys realize that Ganon actually isn't that big leech when compared to most gaming villains. It seems that you couldn't possibly care less, but I'm wondering all the same. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Well, there's also the fact that Ganondorf is the only one of them who actually makes real contests with any sort of regularity. Who cares if Wily is a leech. The only time he'll ever make contests is when they're specialized to include him. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
Ganondorf at one time was hyped to beat Vincent. He only got 12% on Link. This is why it's funny. Let me repeat that, a character who people hyped to be the contest #10 finished below CATS based on direct matches with Link. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
He got 48 on vincent not bad. That link match http://m.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1750 Is just hilarious. The best example of an sff beatdown. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
I
get that, but I'm wondering if guys realize that Ganon actually isn't
that big leech when compared to most gaming villains. It seems that you
couldn't possibly care less, but I'm wondering all the same. Your argument was somewhat mind-blowing to me, because it upset a well-established line of thinking I've had since the GOTD contest, which I believe has very solid reasoning. Which is that Zelda is the least dronish major fanbase on the site, where a drone is someone who blindly votes for anything from the fanbase because he is a fan of that fanbase. Zelda has extremely large strength gaps between the strongest entries in it and weaker ones: Ocarina of Time is as far ahead of Majora's Mask as Chrono Trigger is ahead of Chrono Cross, a point that really needed to be ground home to the people saying that MM won by being an OOT proxy. (You don't want to see an OOT proxy, because it would crush everything except OOT and FFVII). On the character side, Zelda has a colossal dropoff from #1 to #2, and then another colossal dropoff from #3 to #4. This indicates that Zelda fans do not blindly vote for anything for Zelda: they are discerning and vote for what they actually like. On reflection, it's true that other series also have extremely weak villains, but they still have much (relatively) stronger #2s than Ganon. Sonic has Knuckles, Mega Man has Zero, FFX has Tidus (#2 to Auron, while Sin and Seymour are nowhere in sight). Crono has Magus or Frog before we need to get to Lavos. So Ganondorf isn't a huge leech for a villain, but he is a huge leech for a series' #2 character. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
WarThaNemesis2 posted... Ganondorf at one time was hyped to beat Vincent. He only got 12% on Link. This is why it's funny. Let me repeat that, a character who people hyped to be the contest #10 finished below CATS based on direct matches with Link. Man it sucked that Vince/Ganon was a r1 match. Though at least we got it. --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
The worst part about Vincent/Ganondorf was that it killed Heroic Mario. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
"Zelda is the least dronish major fanbase on the site" Oh --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
If we're going to re-open this can of worms, I'm going to bail on this topic! --- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif |
Nice post sox, but at this point, I'd probably take Yuna over Tidus. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
It
feels like eons ago that Heroic Mario would actually support Ganondorf
over Vincent. The old Heroic Mario was so much more fun. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I still think Tidus beats anyone else in FFX not named Auron in a direct match. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
All
comes back to good bracket making! If we have to see SFF matches, I'd
like to see ones that are debatable. Matches like Ganon/Zelda,
Ken/Akuma, Tidus/Yuna/Vivi/Rikku, Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi, Charizard/Pikachu,
Ocelot/Liquid, Jill/Wesker are quite fun to theorise IMO. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
Although
I will say that the FF fans seem just as discerning. There's FFVII, and
then a colossal drop to X, VIII, and VI, and then a big one to IX, and a
huge one to games like IV and XII. Same with the characters, as we have
titans like Cloud and fodder like Celes. It's the same story with lots
of other series. RBY is a monster and any Pokemon game released after
2000 is fodder. Super Mario Kart can hang with Super Metroid while Mario
Kart Wii struggles with Phoenix Wright. It's probably similar for every
single - or at least a large majority of - longtime series. I think the entire GameFAQs voterbase just needs to be given credit for being a smart, discerning bunch, and all the talk about awful or mindless fanbases around here should only be used jokingly. This site draws a pretty smart bunch. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 posted... It feels like eons ago that Heroic Mario would actually support Ganondorf over Vincent. The old Heroic Mario was so much more fun. That was hilarious. I swear, I once bought up the idea of Vince not boosting much from Dirge of Cerberus because it wasn't looking particularly good and his response was like "you don't think Vincent is going to significantly boost from a game STARRING him?" Fast forward a few months, DoC gets a lukewarm reception and Vince/Ganon is r1 in the bracket. HM's new stance? "vince isn't going to boost at all from that crappy game!" Ahh HM so lovably fickle --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Although
I will say that the FF fans seem just as discerning. There's FFVII, and
then a colossal drop to X, VIII, and VI, and then a big one to IX, and a
huge one to games like IV and XII. Same with the characters, as we have
titans like Cloud and fodder like Celes. It's the same story with lots
of other series. RBY is a monster and any Pokemon game released after
2000 is fodder. Super Mario Kart can hang with Super Metroid while Mario
Kart Wii struggles with Phoenix Wright. It's probably similar for every
single - or at least a large majority of - longtime series. On the games side, FF has about the same strength gaps as Zelda, yes, but not on the character side. We have Link, then Cloud, then 5 FF characters (Sephiroth, Squall, Vincent, Tifa, and Auron) before getting to Ganon and Zelda. And then there are a ton of FF characters between Zelda and LOZ's #4. For Pokemon, GSC held up very well against RBY, far better than any Zelda game would against OOT or any FF game against FFVII. I think the entire GameFAQs voterbase just needs to be given credit for being a smart, discerning bunch, and all the talk about awful or mindless fanbases around here should only be used jokingly. This site draws a pretty smart bunch. This is true though. The voters are smart, and they've shown it many times. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: red sox 777 | #334 That's more of a result of Zelda only having three major characters in the series and each FF game having a brand new cast. It's a lot easier to have big strength gaps when you have ten times fewer the characters to choose from. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
That's
more of a result of Zelda only having three major characters in the
series and each FF game having a brand new cast. It's a lot easier to
have big strength gaps when you have ten times fewer the characters to
choose from. There are plenty of Zelda characters to choose from. They're all weak because the voters don't like them very much, which is precisely why we can say that they are not drones. If they were drones, it wouldn't matter how bad the characters actually were, the voters would support them because they were in Zelda games. But they don't do that. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Note I said "major" characters. FF has several major characters because it has several casts of characters for the series. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
That's
true. If you want then, I guess we can narrow the comparison to FFVII
vs. LOZ then. LOZ still has much wider gaps: Link, then Cloud, then
Sephiroth, Vincent, and Tifa, then Ganon and Zelda, then Zack, Aeris,
Cid, and possibly many others before LOZ's #4. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Squall should get a path of Vincent, Sonic, and Mario. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
As long as Squall's path doesn't end in Snake or Cloud, I care not. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
Actually make that Link, I'd like to see the indirect result against Cloud. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Hey I was on the leaderboard? Didn't even know. What position? creativename, you first appeared on the leaderboard after Round 32 in 37th place due to the alt brackets getting combined. You made it to 12th place after Round 50 before falling off. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
Cat Sith should be in the next contest, he'd be hard to predict i think. |
I want characters who are hard to predict for good reasons, not for "Man, how weak can this guy actually be?" reasons! --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
After seeing what Waluigi did to Luigi, I'd love to see Cait Sith with nobody to assist him. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
One
reason why Proto Man should return to the field. He did good against
Snake, so it would be interesting to match him to a 4 or 5 seed hero. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
Random question: what would Trainers have to get on Samus in order for Terra/Kefka to equal Cecil/Golbez? Yes, I know SFF is in the way. I'm going to assume that Luigi and Samus are proportionately SFF'd to cancel the difference out. --- Xbox Live: Mach Tornado PSN: HeyGuysItsGhoul |
From: Big Bob | #347 74.87% --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
Link with 90% at the freeze --- http://i42.tinypic.com/11jol1t.gif Oracle Challenge ~ Rank: 18th ~Today's prediction: Samus / Ridley - 54.96% |
Link vs. Ganondorf 100% 7 Mega Man vs. Dr. Wily 0% 0 TOTAL VOTES 7 --- Moltar Status: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61219380 Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/ |
