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#201 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2011 10:21:08 AM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #199
Maybe, but i don't like the Text.


It's a font from Metroid Prime Hunters, was trying to go old-school with it.
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#202 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/8/2011 10:23:03 AM | message detail
well it being the wrong character is kind of lame.

I mean that's why CJ lost to Ness in 2005, so...
it's not as blatant, to be fair, but yeah, "Dark Samus is awesome" doesn't excuse the fact that it, uh, isn't Samus >_>
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#203 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/8/2011 10:25:51 AM | message detail
IT was the only pic submitted so i guess Allen had no choice. Damn should have finished my pic. If An illegal character is allowed then so should Young Samus.
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#204 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/8/2011 10:26:44 AM | message detail
The wrong character being in the picture is a legitimate complain, though.
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#205 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/8/2011 10:27:46 AM | message detail
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#206 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/8/2011 10:27:46 AM | message detail
I would rather have Dark Samus than ZSS. The voters won't be able to recognize the difference. Or care, really.
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#207 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2011 10:29:24 AM | message detail
You guys are aware Samus won this match, right?

I didn't see people complaining about the Valentine's pic last year <_<
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#208 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/8/2011 10:31:12 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #206
I would rather have Dark Samus than ZSS. The voters won't be able to recognize the difference. Or care, really.


Yeah, Dark Samus is recognizable as Samus at least, so it's not a disaster or anything.
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#209 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/8/2011 10:34:47 AM | message detail
We discuss whether a match picture is good or bad all the time regardless of the effect on the results of the contest. Even if it doesn't have an effect on the results of the match, I don't agree with the practice of using lookalikes in place of the original character.
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#210 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/8/2011 10:35:57 AM | message detail
I distinctly remember people complaining about the Valentine's pic last year!
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#211 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2011 10:42:01 AM | message detail
Actually thinking on it, the pics of mine people complain about the most involve the Metroid series.
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#212 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2011 10:47:44 AM | message detail
I mean that's why CJ lost to Ness in 2005, so...

Technically that was CJ, but so is Solid ****
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#213 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2011 10:48:28 AM | message detail
Yeah did you make the MP/HL2 picture with the reflections?

I thought it looked pretty cool.
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#214 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/8/2011 10:49:40 AM | message detail
CT still does good in the contests.Don't forget is only one game.Crono scored more than 42% on Snake and Frogus is in the division finals and they might even win it.I don't see what is so bad.
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#215 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/8/2011 10:52:18 AM | message detail
Frog and Magus were expected to get to the division finals, and they were the Board 8 favorites to win the division. If they lose - especially if it's not even close - then it will be seen as a disappointment.
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#216 | creativename | Posted 12/8/2011 10:52:19 AM | message detail
Looks like the Trainers will wipe the floor with Samus badly. Too bad they'll run into the Mario brick wall.

Wonder how Trainers would have done vs. Cloud/Sephiroth. My god the Power Hour in that would have been insane!!

From: TheCodeisBosco | #301
I still remember when Darth Revan was considered a virtual lock to beat Terra.

Good times!


Darth Revan looks quite decent in retrospect, in fact probably stronger than we expected. People just had no clue how strong Terra had become.

From: Big Bob | #353
Are we all taking Kerrigan to beat Yuna? Or are the Trainers getting stronger?


I believe the Trainers are getting stronger. First round trainers didn't even look as strong as the Ninjas. Typical Pokemon bandwagon effect. I and others said this would happen so it's not a surprise.

From: Team Rocket Elite | #36033 people fell off the Top 50. Former second place Xuxon, former third place LeonhartFour, former fourth place ALAKA, former fifth place Falcon120, BlackMetalex, kneazlegirl, KadenceInc


Hey I was on the leaderboard? Didn't even know. What position?
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#217 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/8/2011 10:58:32 AM | message detail
I don't think the Trainers have changed in strength much, if at all. They looked 'bad' in Round 1 because they aren't the type of entity to score super big 80%+ blowouts, especially against entities totally different from them (Nintendo cutesy JRPG vs. Western mature RTS).

Think of them like Cloud, except they have an excellent early vote instead of a bad one. Pokemon always hulks up when it meets tough competition.
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#218 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/8/2011 11:06:10 AM | message detail
Except Majora.

Also WTF is wrong with the trends in this match? All of a sudden Big Boss stalling when Ridlus should really be pouncing.
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#219 | creativename | Posted 12/8/2011 11:10:15 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #854
Hey creativename, the pics disappeared from your site.


Whoops! Sorry. For some reason every time I update the album properties it keeps changing it to private...no idea why. Thanks for letting me know :)
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#220 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2011 11:10:25 AM | message detail
We're in the DSV so Europe has a bit more say in the match, though even with the ASV Samus will probably struggle to break 54%.
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#221 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/8/2011 11:11:38 AM | message detail
Hey I was on the leaderboard? Didn't even know. What position?

I'm not sure off memory. I'll look it up for you when I get back home.

I don't think the Trainers have changed in strength much, if at all. They looked 'bad' in Round 1 because they aren't the type of entity to score super big 80%+ blowouts, especially against entities totally different from them (Nintendo cutesy JRPG vs. Western mature RTS).

Think of them like Cloud, except they have an excellent early vote instead of a bad one. Pokemon always hulks up when it meets tough competition.


What makes you think they aren't the type to score huge blowouts? I don't think we've seen enough of them to say that for sure.
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#222 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/8/2011 11:11:43 AM | message detail
GSC ended up looking fine against Majora. The people taking it to win the contest knew they were reaching as GSC couldn't even beat MGS in a very favorable 4-way poll (Round 1). The fact that it didn't appear to be SFFd is good on its own.
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#223 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/8/2011 11:12:06 AM | message detail | (edited)

From: charmander6000 | #212
I mean that's why CJ lost to Ness in 2005, so...

Technically that was CJ, but so is Solid ****


Pretty sure that was Rider.
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#224 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/8/2011 11:13:00 AM | message detail
What makes you think they aren't the type to score huge blowouts? I don't think we've seen enough of them to say that for sure.

I don't think Pokemon is universally liked like Zelda or Mario. There are still people out there who just don't want to vote for it under any circumstances. They won't get anti-voted nearly as badly as something like FF7, but I think it still exists.
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#225 | Surskit | Posted 12/8/2011 11:16:40 AM | message detail
I always thought GSC performed pretty well against Majora. Considering it went on to win the whole thing, a 55-45 loss is really not that bad at all. It was only weak because our expectations were overinflated. Also consider GSC is no RBY, and there's a lot of people who think GSC is the worst in the series (stunning, I know), and GSC's performance is quite respectable. Disappointing, but that's about it.

Still can't figure out what people's beef with today's picture is. Most everyone won't even know that's not actually Samus, and otherwise I still think the pic looks pretty badass. The background makes it look as if there was actual action going on. The lower part of the pic looks as if the Bosses had just failed at high fiving, and IMO is the true bad part of the picture. I'd go as far as saying Samley is one of my favorite Ulti pics this contest.
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#226 | creativename | Posted 12/8/2011 11:21:09 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #958
Really? I would say the picture favours the bosses.


Yes I agree. If I had seen the pic I would have lowered my Oracle prediction - which is exactly what everyone else seemed to do when the pic came out.

From: KamikazePotato | #1057
I don't think the Trainers have changed in strength much, if at all. They looked 'bad' in Round 1 because they aren't the type of entity to score super big 80%+ blowouts, especially against entities totally different from them (Nintendo cutesy JRPG vs. Western mature RTS).


I see no reason at all to believe they can't score blowouts. Pretty sure they've just gotten stronger. And should be a bit stronger still against Samus, which will make her look terrible.

Basically any x-stats based on the Trainers will not be reliable.
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#227 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2011 11:21:58 AM | message detail
Pretty sure that was Rider.

Nope

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#228 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/8/2011 11:22:11 AM | message detail
I don't care about the Samus picture, and I don't think it gives an unfair advantage or disadvantage to Samus.

I can see why people are unhappy that it isn't even a picture of Samus though.

On the bright side, now we can hope to slip in Dark Link next character battle.

Actually, SCREW THAT, Elegy of Emptiness Link!
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#229 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/8/2011 11:25:26 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #216
Darth Revan looks quite decent in retrospect, in fact probably stronger than we expected. People just had no clue how strong Terra had become.


Ho brother, don't get me started on that. It was a night match, too. Can you imagine a day match? Let's keep in mind that Revan scored a hair over 49% in the US, and yes, Terra did end up damn beastly. Revan could have probably taken either Frog or Magus in a day match. Now THAT woulda been something.

I say he deserves another crack at this thing, especially after KotOR did quite well for itself in GotD.
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#230 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/8/2011 11:27:55 AM | message detail
Pretty sure that was Rider.

Nope

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Picture without glasses - http://media.gtanet.com/gtasa/images/characters/carl-johnson-03.jpg


Those two pictures have like... inverse goatees. Clearly different characters.
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#231 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2011 11:29:18 AM | message detail
Regardless, most GTA fans probably had a hard time recognizing him and the casuals probably didn't even know he was the GTA guy.
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#232 | UItimaterializer | Posted 12/8/2011 11:33:53 AM | message detail
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#233 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/8/2011 11:39:49 AM | message detail

From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #228
Actually, SCREW THAT, Elegy of Emptiness Link!
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you could run an entire mini-contest made up of the different Links in Majora's Mask!
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#234 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/8/2011 11:42:12 AM | message detail
That means we can use DArk Link for submission because he's not link but looks like Link invisible mode.
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#235 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/8/2011 11:44:34 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=13&pos=115
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Are you guys talking about the same picture? charmander6000 sounds like he's talking about the first one but I think it was the second that was controversial.
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#236 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/8/2011 11:46:03 AM | message detail
I actually do think Dark Link should be eligible for his pictures since it'll never be a separate entrant in a contest. We've already gotten Oni Link in.
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#237 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/8/2011 11:47:34 AM | message detail
If SBAllen allowed Dark Samus for Samus, I would imagine he would allow Dark Link for Link. He should really just allow Dark Link as a separate character, though.
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#238 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/8/2011 11:51:46 AM | message detail
I was talking about the first one, but I like the second one too as it's a great idea.
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#239 | creativename | Posted 12/8/2011 11:56:02 AM | message detail
He probably only allowed Dark Samus because he had no idea, and/or no other pics were submitted so he had no choice.

I do not think he'd allow Dark Link for Link because he'd know for sure it was not Link. Plus there would always be pictures submitted for Link.
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#240 | creativename | Posted 12/8/2011 11:57:37 AM | message detail
BTW, Link is going to bust 70% in round 3 and 75% in round 4.

Pretty sure good brackets don't have 75% blowouts in round 4. But I guess we already knew that...<sigh>
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#241 | Osfan | Posted 12/8/2011 12:19:36 PM | message detail
Given how boring the battle contest has gotten this contest with no upsets happening and the potential for 20+ perfects to end with a perfect Battle Score what would guys think about potentially implementing an Oracle style contest as opposed to the battle contest. Obviously this would run a lot of the same way maintaining interest until the very end and we would not have the hivemind of perfect scores we have now. It would be a way of having people keep coming to update the percentages but not quite as simple as a standard pick em which is too similar to the bracket contest.

So two fact or fictions about the boring state of this contest...

Fact or Fiction: You would support an Oracle style contest replacing the Battle Contest for the next Character Battle.
Fact or Fiction: Mario beating Link with some sort of rivalry boost would save this contest.
#242 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/8/2011 12:28:07 PM | message detail
Mario isn't breaking the LAW. Link has too much of a boost this year he's going to be godstomping everything, even if the Trainers picked up a bandwagon.
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#243 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/8/2011 12:32:13 PM | message detail

From: Osfan | #241
Given how boring the battle contest has gotten this contest with no upsets happening and the potential for 20+ perfects to end with a perfect Battle Score


Banked: 205
Chell vs. GLaDOS: 2572
Frog vs. Magus: 2438
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#244 | The_Djoker | Posted 12/8/2011 12:34:32 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #236
I actually do think Dark Link should be eligible for his pictures since it'll never be a separate entrant in a contest. We've already gotten Oni Link in.


Oni link is still Link. Dark Link isn't Link.

I just think SSB hasn't played MEtroid and doesn't know who the **** Dark Samus is.
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#245 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/8/2011 12:36:00 PM | message detail
that aside, if you really want to replace the battle contest, I think spread betting would be the most suitable replacement
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#246 | Osfan | Posted 12/8/2011 12:41:19 PM | message detail | (edited)
th3l3fty posted...
Banked: 205
Chell vs. GLaDOS: 2572
Frog vs. Magus: 2438


So you really think with the matches we have left 50+ people are going to be lose everything or bank? And obviously I don't see any reason to believe anyone can't beat the LAW but still an exciting final with the unprecedented upset... Could it save an otherwise boring contest?...

And I agree Spread has the potential to be more fun but who is going to admin that we don't even have someone to make pictures at the moment. Oracle has more set it and forget it potential
#247 | th3l3fty | Posted 12/8/2011 12:42:07 PM | message detail
Oracle takes far more effort than any casual would ever want to put in!
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#248 | DpObliVion | Posted 12/8/2011 12:54:10 PM | message detail
What kind of chances do the Snakes and Sora/Riku have of an upset?

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#249 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/8/2011 12:55:08 PM | message detail
No chance.
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#250 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/8/2011 1:04:39 PM | message detail
Outside chance. I consider Cloud and Squall's team clear favorites, but not guarantees to win. Those two matches are more in doubt than anything in Round 4, anyway. Assuming Snake doesn't pull off the big upset in a couple days, Mario, Trainers, Link, and Cloud will be 100% guaranteed to reach the semis.
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