GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1031
From: Lopen | #381 You are clearly pretty annoyed by this result, but it annoys me that you have avoided any real flak for your whining because of those little cop-out phrases at the end. That's what is ticking me off. This slimy "GOD THIS RESULT SUCKS THIS RIVALRY SUCKS but that's just me" crap. My objection came when you referred to b8's Pokemon fans as drones. I think there's a line there; b8 is smarter than the average board, more considered than the average board, just better than most places on average. Board 8 is not the average voter. What's more, I and several other b8 regulars do love Pokemon, and yeah, I think being called drones just because they're beating Street Fighter heavily (god forbid) is kind of insulting. Drones sure as hell exist, and I was incredibly annoyed with Drones when MM was winning the games contest, but I don't think they exist on board 8. Yoblazer is a pretty open fanboy of Zelda but I wouldn't call him a drone, he's too smart to be one. --- "I wish I was French." - blindhobo13 "I don't think you know what "French" means." - As I Desire |
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Voterbases
not being 'genuine' goes for every fanbase. Some are just bigger than
the others. You thinking that people won't take offense to you literally
calling them fakers is ridiculous, too. As for rivalry factor - off the
top of my head, Mario/Bowser, Scorp/Sub, Ryu/Ken, and Red/Blue, all did
better than expected. The rivalries you would expect to do better. Not
sure what you mean by a 'sham'. Don't think you're genuinely confused, either. Your favorite character is like, Kirby. You should know better than anyone else what it's like to like 'bland' characters for silly reasons. You're basically just using the event as a chance to passively-aggressively insult the Pokemon fanbase as much as possible. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
*looks at top 10 games of all time list* Majora's Mask winning GotD was perfectly justified. Only other games in contention were MGS3 and Mother 3 --- http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5564/a4e8cbaf68958cc356a133d.jpg http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/CaptainRockman.png |
This
is definitely rivalry factor being at work. Its the reason why Red/Blue
are doing so much better in this contest than Red did before. And why
the Ninjas blew out Leon/Ada and many other matches prove that rivalry
is playing a big role. |
I do think that games are a pretty heavy influence. Which makes sense. Who cares about a rivalry in a game they don't like? --- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/tiroalecjpgap.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpgyt.jpg |
We're doing a show recording tonight, and I'm sure there will be lots of entertaining Pokemon discussion. [plug] --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Ok guys, so what's the call for tomorrow? Still Metroid or did everyone jump ship to the Bosses? --- http://img.imgcake.com/whitelens/MadokaMagicaMessagejpguj.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/whitelens/MadokaThanksjpgen.jpg |
From: XIII_rocks | #401 Yeah except that was me trolling you. The first 10 or so posts I made to you today were trolling because I laughed at you "getting mad" at my post. From: Lopen | #381 That's how I feel about b8's Pokemon fans vs the Pokemon fanbase as a whole. And again, to clarify, the "that's just me" refers to "not getting why it's getting votes" not "this rivalry is terrible." Because it is terrible. But there are plenty of terrible rivalries in this bracket that don't confuse me why they get votes. Link vs Ganondorf is a prime example! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
"My posts weren't stupid, I was just trolling! Gotcha guys!" --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
You laughing at me "getting mad" just shows your complete misunderstanding of the situation then. I don't know if you think we're stupid, but like I said: there's only so many times you can add a little cop-out line to the end of your posts before it starts to grate. --- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #406 You should get Wigs and Dr_Football on. I believe they'd make valuable guests. --- ##Alec |
From: KamikazePotato | #409 I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, though given his posts leading up to that point I would not be at all surprised if he legit thought b8's Pokemon fans were drones, just like "everyone else" voting for it. --- "My goal is to make this s*** cool again." - CM Punk |
From: KamikazePotato | #409 Uh KP if you read my posts and didn't think I was trolling you're pretty dense. I literally called XIII a mongrel. If I start throwing words around like peasant or mongrel those are my taunt words to try and make it obvious I'm trolling <_< --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Well
that was after I said you were on a high horse so I thought that kind
of logically followed if we're going with animal insults --- "oh my god oh my god a spider just crawled INTO MY KEYBOARD" -pxlated "It just wants some web access." - Ness26 |
It
would be pretty nasty to call this match right and then get screwed by
the Bosses upsetting Samus. I'm still likely taking Samus, but this
"Tidus/Jecht > Terra/Kefka implies Bosses > Samus/Ridley" argument
seems pretty valid to me and it's scary. It would also be nice to be
able to see how many perfects get knocked off because of Trainers >
Fighters before deciding, but alas. --- http://speeddemosarchive.com/MetroidPrime.html#PAL100 |
*shrug I'm pretty sure anyone that knows me that isn't the target of my trolling (KP is the pokechampion, so he was the target as well) would know better there. I was pretty obviously in promo mode for a while there. Not that I'm above calling b8 bad. But you're bad for completely different reasons than being drones. But yeah you may have missed the edit, but those "cop out" words were just on confusion, not on the rivalry being bad. Bad rivalries doing well happens every round, but even Link vs Ganondorf doesn't outright confuse me as to why it does well. I will without shame say Red vs Blue is a bad rivalry and it's not "just me." I summarized the rivalry on the first page pretty succinctly I think! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
If KP isn't on a Pokemon Show podcast we will riot. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://img.imgcake.com/anagramjpgsa.jpg |
Yeah
except that "succinct description" didn't suddenly gain sense in the
last few hours. It's still as oversimplified and silly now as it was
then. And you claiming confusion here is the exact same as me claiming not to get the appeal of Final Fantasy - it's complete BS designed to make your dislike of the thing seem more forceful. If you get Link/Ganon you get Trainers. --- http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/7351/xiiirocks.jpg |
pet monsters > chuck norris wannabes |
Nah
Link/Ganon has a lot of stuff going for it. It spans like 15 games,
old as hell, and people actually give a crap about Link for whatever
reason (and given last year, you can't really say this about trainer
Red-- not nearly to the degree of Link, anyway). And also Link isn't
one of those things that I can honestly say "well no one I know outside
of b8 actually cares about Link" because that's just not the case. It's not at all the same as this one. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
"silent protagonist vs. douchebag" "silent protagonist vs. douchebag" "not at all the same" --- 2011 WWYD Champion I do things for money and games. |
From: UltimaterializerX | #399 Nothing to do with drones. There is no Zelda game in my top 20 but I have 0 doubt that I am going to prefer it to Skyrim. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
Silent
protagonist that is the strongest character on the site vs douchebag in
a rivalry that spans many games and is the focus of those games Silent protagonist vs douchebag in a rivalry that spans one game and isn't the focus of that game Pretty big difference! Like yeah as an actual rivalry I don't think Link/Ganon has much on them but this is all about "why is it doing well on the site" not "why is the rivalry not crap" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Hey, I have to get to get into Elder Scrolls. In due time. For now I'll just vote for the game I played! --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Can't
podcast today unfortunately (got a new computer without skype and I'm
with friends), but I will be with you guys IN SPIRIT. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: KamikazePotato | #426 I suggest myself* as a replacement. (*in actual fact I suggest Chris) --- "My goal is to make this s*** cool again." - CM Punk |
From: Lopen | #424 It's been explained to you that Red/Blue are a huge, huge part of what makes RBY RBY. And RBY is massively popular on this site, even if Red isn't (with a non-sprite pic, too). You have to utterly and completely reject the idea of "rivalries matter" to not get this. --- http://www.mariocube.nl/upload/XIII1008171346.jpg |
Yeah I know you're saying it, and I disagree it's something a normal fan of Pokemon thinks is a big part of RBY. And yeah as one of the originators of the RIVALRY FACTOR hype I'm thinking this contest is one part rivalry factor, two parts series contest, one part character contest, based on how matches have gone. So I guess I reject it in some sense. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
OK so 1) Nobody gives a damn about beating Blue and everyone is just voting because they see Pokemon in the poll 2) Rivalries matter! It's probably a bit of both, but a lot of people are voting on the rivalry here, and certainly a lot more than you seem to be indicating. --- http://i.imgur.com/tAfEW.gif |
I disagree it's something a normal fan of Pokemon thinks is a big part of RBY. Yet here are the results. It's like refusing to believe Crono has strength while he's going to the quarterfinals destroying everything in his way. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
From: charmander6000 | #431 My theory is very possible. It doesn't have to be people caring about the rivalry. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
Yeah
I think it's a bit of both, but I don't think rivalries matter is the
deciding factor in this match, is all. Series affiliation has seemed to
matter more than anything so far. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Dude
almost never goes deep is the problem. He always hits a Snake or a
Sonic or a Samus early, or if he faces a fellow high midcard he gets
stepped on. I don't really remember Ryu ever doing anything exceptional
except for 2007 and 2010 where you could argue it was Dante's fault for
choking. So like he always looks pretty good but never really exceeds expectations in any way. Anyone who's not a Noble Niner loses to Noble Niners wherever they are unfortunate enough to encounter them. And Ryu has been pretty unfortunate in this regard! He's 1-1 against high midcarders (loss to Bowser, win over Dante) so he doesn't always get stepped on, and he didn't flub his match against Leon Kennedy, who is pretty solid but a little weaker than Ryu's club. (Guess you could call him a regular midcarder.) You don't remember Ryu doing anything exceptional because he's never had the chance; Noble Niners always put an early stop to him. We don't know how deep he can go because he's never fought people who are around his strength like Pikachu, Ganondorf, Luigi, Kirby, Zero, etc. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
From: Lopen | #424 Why are Cloud/Seph powerful for one game? --- Sack Up Or Shut Up™ |
Because it's the second and third strongest characters on the site? I mean really.. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
From: Lopen | #436 Oh, I agree that it's logical that they have strength. But they're the main characters of the #2 strongest game from the #2 strongest series on this site (with some cameos in other popular games) On the other hand, Red and Blue are the main characters of a top 5 strongest game on this site (with some cameos in other popular games). --- http://img.imgcake.com/alec1pngus.png |
Our
core disagreement there is whether red and blue are the main characters
of Pokemon. A lot of you say yes, but I think it's a technicality at
best. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Red is the main character. Blue is a sidequest character. IMO. You want to beat the Gyms and then the E4, far more than Blue, ever. --- True story. |
Now
I know we saw Red do poorly last contest, but 1.) Brawl "Pokemon
Trainer Red" =/= RBY "Pokemon Trainer Red" and 2.) Red AND Blue are
defined by their relationship with each other. Seeing as Blue has more
personality anyways, it makes plenty of sense that it would get a huge
boost here regardless. --- "Link has spoken for years. And music is his language" -YoBlazer |
I'd
say the main characters of Pokemon are your starter and the other 5
Pokemon you use most of the game. (Or the 6 for those weirdos that
don't use their starter) Some other cool random Pokemon are the second tier Red is on the third tier Gym Leaders/Blue/Team Rocket/other Pokemon are on the fourth tier --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
nintendogirl1 posted... Red is the main character. Blue is a sidequest character. IMO. You want to beat the Gyms and then the E4, far more than Blue, ever. In the end, Blue is the E4. Yeah you want to get through every gm, but really you want to beat Blue to doing it. The rivalry is the central conflict of the game, the gyms are just the means through which you compete. --- For your BlAcK TuRtLe. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza |
I'd
say they're intertwined. The quest is to beat the Gyms and E4 and
become the Pokemon Master, but Blue is your biggest and final obstacle
to doing that. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: nintendogirl1 | #439 First time I played Red, I know my whole goal was to beat Blue to a gym, and when I failed that, beat him through the E4 Needless to say I failed miserably --- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png |
From: Lopen | #441 Blue is definitely the antagonist far more than his individual pokemon I can see your argument that Red is not the protagonist, though I think most people would seem to disagree. --- "nah, it's not my team if I drop pitchers for merely being horrible" -War13104 |
I'd also concede Red isn't the best or coolest compared to his pokemon. But he is still the protagonist and he the pokemon are HIS. He's still the leader of the merry band, even if his band is cooler than him. --- Chex Warrior (Chex Quest) for CB2011 |
nintendogirl1 posted... Red is the main character. Blue is a sidequest character. IMO. You want to beat the Gyms and then the E4, far more than Blue, ever. Rivalry is a lot of your motivation though. I mean, there's not much reason to want to be a "Pokémon Master" and/or "catch 'em all" other than it just being what you do without your rival there to spur you on and always be ahead of you and taunt you. At least, that's the way I saw it. Blue always being ahead of you is the main conflict throughout the game, moreso than taking on Team Rocket or anything. Blue already having been crowned Champion was a big deal for a LOT more reasons than just it being another, tougher battle that you didn't expect. Rivalry is considerably more central to RBY than the later games wherein your rival is just a friend who you take on to test each other every now and then and is never in the way of your actual goals. Even in GSC, the last game where that doesn't hold true, your rival really just fills the role of a subplot wherein Gamefreak tries to separate Pokémon from animal abuse ala dog fighting by making clear that Pokémon battling and ownership is about friendship; he's never a threat that drives you forward. That rival may qualify as a sidequest character, but the RBY rival is the most important NPC in the game. --- http://www.nbc.com/parks-and-recreation/exclusives/ron-dancing-animated.gif |
From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #445 Yeah I'd agree with this, though I don't think the role of the antagonist is that important in the game, hence why he's on the fourth importance tier. Could see him going on the third, though, maybe. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
From: KamikazePotato | #286 I'm guessing all this "I can't believe you guys actually thought this match was debatable" talk doesn't count as bragging to you? --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
I don't think there are may of those outside of MWC. If there are, well, I tuned them out because they're dumb. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
