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#351 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:13:32 PM | message detail
I dunno, I think g4tv is actually less casual because you have to register to vote. Like I didn't bother voting because I didn't want to register.

Anyway I am in no way saying that fighting games are anything resembling mainstream, but Street Fighter 2 and Ryu/Ken totally are. Marvel vs Capcom 3 tanking isn't the same thing at all as Street Fighter 2 tanking. It's just not.
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#352 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/7/2011 3:14:22 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: Lopen | #348
MWC mode would probably be an improvement.


Nah it wouldn't. Since I am a drone and thus completely inseparable from the hivemind of b8's Pokemon fans, I'm just interchangable with the rest! MWC is a special, unique kind of awful.
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#353 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:14:45 PM | message detail
Who said drones can't have personality? Some become particularly aggressive when someone pokes at the hive, for instance.
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#354 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/7/2011 3:16:19 PM | message detail
And some are (passive)aggressive enough to poke at the hive in the first place
unnecessarily and offensively
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#355 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:16:50 PM | message detail
A drone poking the hive? Don't be silly.
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#356 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2011 3:18:06 PM | message detail
XD at some of those x-stats.

Despite getting 8% on Batman DC Universe Online would be expected to break 70% on Dance Central 2
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#357 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/7/2011 3:18:15 PM | message detail
I'm right there with Lopen, in regards to almost never talking about Red/Blue with anyone growing up - and I was friends with a ton of Pokefans, too. I guess we talked about Blue/Gary a little, since he was pretty cool on the anime; but even then, he was mostly overshadowed by the Team Rocket crew and (especially) Brock. They were top tier.

So I mean, these Trainer results really have been confusing for me too - I don't get it either, I guess. But I will say this: while I don't find the rivalry to have much merit at all (obviously, LMAO), I actually do think their inclusion in the contest has turned out to be an unexpected blessing. I feel like Ulti did during GotD, when Shadow of the Colossus did much better than anyone expected: while I dislike the dark horse, it's still pretty damn fun to see a dark horse run.
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#358 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/7/2011 3:19:03 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #355
A drone poking the hive? Don't be silly.


No, not a drone. A spiteful 6-year-old.
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#359 | JJH777 | Posted 12/7/2011 3:19:24 PM | message detail
There isn't anything to get this is people voting for Pokemon and Red is going to be strong next contest.
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#360 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:20:15 PM | message detail
Oh yeah. Brock. Brock is p cool guy too. I was trying to limit it to games in particular though-- Brock's nothin special in the games.

Lance isn't really either but in the later games he has like 3 Dragonites which is hilarious.
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#361 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2011 3:21:39 PM | message detail
Red isn't going to be much stronger next contest IMO.
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#362 | abdou | Posted 12/7/2011 3:21:59 PM | message detail
Red will be as weak as ever next contest. This people voting for the rivalry between Red and Blue which is one of the best in this contest. Why is this so difficult to understand?
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#363 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/7/2011 3:23:00 PM | message detail
JJH777 posted...
There isn't anything to get this is people voting for Pokemon and Red is going to be strong next contest.

Honestly? You could be right. In order for Red to be strong, though, he's going to need sprite pics and Pokemon in his match pics. As we saw last year, he really doesn't have much going for him with those factors out of the equation.
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#364 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:27:37 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: XIII_rocks | #358
No, not a drone. A spiteful 6-year-old.


You're the only one who got especially offended by what I was saying. Other Pokemon fans just had the decency to drink my tears and laugh (or actually talk like a civilized person like Alec). You were like OMG I'M GETTING MAD YOU'D BETTER STOP.

Which is why I'm trolling you. If you're this insufferable when your team is winning I can only imagine...
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#365 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/7/2011 3:24:00 PM | message detail
If vgchartz is to be believed and I haven't forgotten any prominent JRPGS to look up, Golden Sun is the second best selling JRPG in the U.S. that didn't have the words "Final Fantasy," "Kingdom Hearts," "Mario," or "Pokemon" in the title.

Legend of Dragoon is #1, which also explains that game doing fairly well in GotD. Golden Sun stood out a lot more on its system though due to less competition.
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#366 | transience | Posted 12/7/2011 3:24:19 PM | message detail
people are voting for Red/Blue in the same way that they vote for Cloud/Sephiroth and Link/Ganondorf. they're from a mega-popular series and get votes based off of that. sure, a lot of them are "drones" because they'll vote for anything Pokemon-related -- just like people vote for anything Zelda related -- but that's just the nature of GameFAQs contests.

I find it weird that some people are championing this as some kind of epic upset to the status quo. Pokemon doing well has been the status quo for a few years now. Red/Blue were a slight underdog pre-contest but everything since has made them a pretty clear favourite.
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#367 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/7/2011 3:27:40 PM | message detail
transience posted...
I find it weird that some people are championing this as some kind of epic upset to the status quo. Pokemon doing well has been the status quo for a few years now.

Ryu doing well has been the status quo for almost a full decade, though!
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#368 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:28:55 PM | message detail | (edited)
Ryu never really does well. With the exception of 2007, dude's the perennial round 2 loser like Dante. Unless when he's up against Dante, then he goes down round 3.
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#369 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/7/2011 3:29:42 PM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #357
I'm right there with Lopen, in regards to almost never talking about Red/Blue with anyone growing up - and I was friends with a ton of Pokefans, too. I guess we talked about Blue/Gary a little, since he was pretty cool on the anime; but even then, he was mostly overshadowed by the Team Rocket crew and (especially) Brock. They were top tier.

So I mean, these Trainer results really have been confusing for me too - I don't get it either, I guess. But I will say this: while I don't find the rivalry to have much merit at all (obviously, LMAO), I actually do think their inclusion in the contest has turned out to be an unexpected blessing. I feel like Ulti did during GotD, when Shadow of the Colossus did much better than anyone expected: while I dislike the dark horse, it's still pretty damn fun to see a dark horse run.


You don't need to talk about Red/Blue.

I never talked to my friends and went "Damn, how about that Sub/Scorp rivalry?"

But Sub/Scorp still invokes nostalgia and memories of Mortal Kombat as a whole.

Much like Red/Blue invoke feelings of RBY.

Rivalries are intrinsically tied to games. It invokes your memory of the game in a stronger way than an individual character can. Plus, who cares about a rivalry in a game they didn't like?
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#370 | transience | Posted 12/7/2011 3:29:50 PM | message detail
yeah, Pokemon wasn't popular until about five years ago here. now that the older generation has moved on from GameFAQs (besides me, anyway), most people here grew up with and like Pokemon. the kiddy stigma is pretty much gone.

that's the only thing that's changed here, really. all kids born in the early-mid 80s went away.
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#371 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 12/7/2011 3:30:25 PM | message detail
Hey does this match gets a lot of votes or am I mistaken?
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#372 | White_Tiger | Posted 12/7/2011 3:33:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
This is not drone voting. People are voting for Red/Blue because its a legitimately great rivalry that most people on this site are familiar with and love

Ryu/Ken is also a great rivalry but SF playrate is much much lower than Pokemon's playrate on this site. And this is essentially a popularity contest, the more popular you are the stronger you will be.
#373 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:33:25 PM | message detail

From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #369
You don't need to talk about Red/Blue.

I never talked to my friends and went "Damn, how about that Sub/Scorp rivalry?"


Yeah but surely you've talked to your friends about Sub-Zero and Scorpion as characters? Or about the characters in MK in general? That's the thing for me. Pokemon's not driven by the trainers-- games like MK or SF are driven by the fighters. Like if this was Mewtwo vs Mew doing this well I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it, but actual love for the trainers? Weird.
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#374 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/7/2011 3:33:33 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #364
You're the only one who got especially offended by what I was saying. Other Pokemon fans just had the decency to drink my tears and laugh. You were like OMG I'M GETTING MAD YOU'D BETTER STOP.

Which is why I'm trolling you. If you're this insufferable when your team is winning I can only imagine...


I'm this "insufferable" when I and several people I like have been imo insulted (and you can't act like "drones" isn't an insult, or shouldn't be taken as one).

And yeah some of this is banter or whatever but there's a recurring theme to your posts since this match started, this passive-aggressive anti-Pokemon, anti-Pokemon fans and apparently anti-b8 vibe that is more than a little bit grating - with a little bit added on, just enough to stop people really criticising you for. Eventually you make the same "that's just me though!" safety-phrase and it doesn't wash anymore.
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#375 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/7/2011 3:34:13 PM | message detail

From: White_Tiger | #372
This is not drone voting. People are voting for Red/Blue because its a legitimately great rivalry that most people on this site are familiar with and love

Ryu/Ken is also a great rivalry but SF playrate is much much lower than Pokemon's playrate on this site. And this is essentially a popularity contest, the more popular you are the stronger you will be.


SHUT UP DRONE
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#376 | junk_funk | Posted 12/7/2011 3:35:17 PM | message detail
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#378 | abdou | Posted 12/7/2011 3:40:43 PM | message detail
Yeah this match is drawing a lot of votes. May be our highest votals of the contest. Its still pretty pathetic by previous contest's standards.
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#379 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/7/2011 3:40:43 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #373
Yeah but surely you've talked to your friends about Sub-Zero and Scorpion as characters? Or about the characters in MK in general? That's the thing for me. Pokemon's not driven by the trainers-- games like MK or SF are driven by the fighters. Like if this was Mewtwo vs Mew doing this well I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it, but actual love for the trainers? Weird.


Not really. I mean, I consistently picked Sub-Zero and my friend consistently picked Scorpion, and we agreed they were both "badass" But ten year old me and my friend never talked to each other about "Wow, these two are intrinsically tied to each other" or "This relationship really contributed to the story".
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#380 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2011 3:40:48 PM | message detail
Yeah Lopen is one of the 'entitled' people I was referring to earlier. Dude is usually fine but he's been pretty bad today.
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#381 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:41:36 PM | message detail
There's nothing passive about my aggression towards people who actually think Red vs Blue is a good rivalry. Cause it's not. But the aggression ends somewhere around "your tastes are terrible."

That being said I do think most of the b8 fans of the rivalry do actually give a crap about the trainers, but that's just the nature of people who care enough to discuss an Internet popularity contest on a message board. I don't think the tastes on this board are at all typical of a contest voter. And I do think the typical contest voter is a drone-- it's why Zelda wins every damn year, even when its offering is freaking Majora's Mask, a game that probably wouldn't even be in contention for the 2000 GotY much of anywhere, nevermind GotD.

Just to clarify!
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#382 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/7/2011 3:43:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
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From: TheCodeisBosco | #357
I'm right there with Lopen, in regards to almost never talking about Red/Blue with anyone growing up - and I was friends with a ton of Pokefans, too. I guess we talked about Blue/Gary a little, since he was pretty cool on the anime; but even then, he was mostly overshadowed by the Team Rocket crew and (especially) Brock. They were top tier.

So I mean, these Trainer results really have been confusing for me too - I don't get it either, I guess. But I will say this: while I don't find the rivalry to have much merit at all (obviously, LMAO), I actually do think their inclusion in the contest has turned out to be an unexpected blessing. I feel like Ulti did during GotD, when Shadow of the Colossus did much better than anyone expected: while I dislike the dark horse, it's still pretty damn fun to see a dark horse run.
You don't need to talk about Red/Blue.

I never talked to my friends and went "Damn, how about that Sub/Scorp rivalry?"

But Sub/Scorp still invokes nostalgia and memories of Mortal Kombat as a whole.


This actually is a really good point... though I think Lopen's counterpoint is also valid. If you were a Mortal Kombat fan, you definitely talked about how awesome Sub and Scorp were. If you were a Pokemon fan, you talked about how awesome Charizard, Blastoise, Gyarados and Alakazam were.

But hey, all this stuff about the Trainers representing their games really well... it must have some merit, or else we wouldn't be seeing these results. I can't wrap my mind around it, but hey, I think everyone has a result or two that they find odd. Plus, this is certainly less baffling than SMW beating SMB3!
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#383 | junk_funk | Posted 12/7/2011 3:43:48 PM | message detail
Enough Poketalk.

So Samus got 60% on Terra/Kefka.

Bosses got 60% on Tidus/Jecht.

Logic (Tidus/Jecht>Terra/Kefka) says Bosses win.

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#384 | Emporer_Kazbar | Posted 12/7/2011 3:44:03 PM | message detail

From: White_Tiger | #372
This is not drone voting. People are voting for Red/Blue because its a legitimately great rivalry that most people on this site are familiar with and love


This is somewhat true. "Great rivalry", maybe, maybe not, but I can't be the only one who, when they hear the word "rival", they think of Pokemon.
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#385 | abdou | Posted 12/7/2011 3:44:24 PM | message detail
If people are drones then all Zelda games would be equal in strength and all Pokemon games would also have same strength and this is clearly not the case.
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#386 | transience | Posted 12/7/2011 3:44:33 PM | message detail
that's just another case of the userbase getting younger. Mario 3 doesn't have as much of an edge on World if you played them both concurrently.
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#387 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/7/2011 3:44:52 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #380
Yeah Lopen is one of the 'entitled' people I was referring to earlier. Dude is usually fine but he's been pretty bad today.


I agree with this. Don't know what's gone on here.
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#388 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:45:25 PM | message detail
Also KP don't act like you wouldn't be whining more if the trainers lost. You're definitely the type to put up a fuss when things don't go as you like-- sometimes even when they do.
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#389 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 12/7/2011 3:45:36 PM | message detail
Logic (Tidus/Jecht>Terra/Kefka) says Bosses win.

I think Terra and Kefka would be favored there, actually.
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#390 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2011 3:46:33 PM | message detail
Red/Blue is weird because I used to not think about them at all. Then the second one person mentioned how cool Red in a random forum topic was I went "Oh hell yeah, he's awesome and so is Blue". Like I had hidden nostalgia that awakened at the first chance. I think a lot of people are similar. You don't think about them, but when the time comes, you'll vote for them easily.
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#391 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2011 3:47:43 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be whining, no. I wanted the trainers to win, yeah, but I wouldn't be making absolutely insufferable statements that are passive-aggressively disparaging a fanbase because you don't agree with them.
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#392 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:48:28 PM | message detail
You've made passive aggressive disparaging of the SF fanbase with the trainers winning, man.
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#393 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/7/2011 3:49:02 PM | message detail
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that's just another case of the userbase getting younger. Mario 3 doesn't have as much of an edge on World if you played them both concurrently.

That result was still like a dagger to the heart, though. :( Especially since Zelda 1 lost too, and that game is also streets ahead of World.
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#394 | KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2011 3:49:26 PM | message detail
Because you guys suck. You've shown yet again that any time the rest of the site doesn't like SF as much as you, you pull a SF2 LOST?!?!?
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#395 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:51:06 PM | message detail
Well just to clarify for me this is actually more the trainers than anything. If Fox/Wolf beats Ryu/Ken you don't get much out of me beyond "haha what the hell."
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#396 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 12/7/2011 3:51:08 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Because you guys suck. You've shown yet again that any time the rest of the site doesn't like SF as much as you, you pull a SF2 LOST?!?!?

I've barely seen any whining from the SF2 fanbase today. Hell, I think I saw more people complain about Raynor/Kerrigan losing!
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#397 | Zylo the wolf | Posted 12/7/2011 3:57:29 PM | message detail | (edited)
Lopen posted...
Ryu never really does well. With the exception of 2007, dude's the perennial round 2 loser like Dante. Unless when he's up against Dante, then he goes down round 3.

2002: Got over 40% on Samus
2003: Got over 40% on Snake
2004: Got over 40% on Sonic
2005: Well that wasn't a good year.
2006: Considering how tight the male bracket was, he did good to make it to round 2.
2008: Went 50/50 with the previous champion for a long time.
2010: Defeated his two Capcom friends Dante and Leon, and then did excellent for a non Squarendo character on Cloud.

How is that not doing well? Ryu is without a doubt a top 5 character if we remove all Nintendo and Square characters.
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#398 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:55:29 PM | message detail
And to clarify further a lot of this is genuine confusion. You can take it as whining and passive aggression because I'm implicating that part of the voterbase on GameFAQs isn't genuine, but the reason people like you and XIII take it like a personal affront is because you're overprotective of your precious trainers that you take it that way. Most people that support the trainers don't really care if a few people imply the GameFAQs voterbase isn't actually voting for rivalries (I've been saying this for weeks that rivalry factor is a sham, too, so this isn't really a new development).
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#399 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/7/2011 3:56:58 PM | message detail
Skyward Sword > Skyrim 51-49?

Zelda drones and Wii fans seriously need to get off the internet.
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#400 | Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 3:58:18 PM | message detail

From: Zylo the wolf | #397

How is that not doing well? Ryu is without a doubt a top 5 character if we remove all Nintendo and Square characters.


Dude almost never goes deep is the problem. He always hits a Snake or a Sonic or a Samus early, or if he faces a fellow high midcard he gets stepped on. I don't really remember Ryu ever doing anything exceptional except for 2007 and 2010 where you could argue it was Dante's fault for choking.

So like he always looks pretty good but never really exceeds expectations in any way.
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