GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1031
Lightning Strikes posted... Never was sure why Red/Blue winning was ever in question. I remember Black Turtle saying that Ryu/Ken was going to win because it was the same situation as MM/GSC last year. He got that half right, it was the same situation, only Red/Blue is the Majora's Mask this time around. Nah, this is different. MM/GSC was an example of people trying to justify a pick based on a really weird, SFF filled, 4-way match. This is an example of the full impacts of the format (rivalry) not being fully understood. Also, Red/Blue were an upset until after the first round, whereas people were arguing against my Majora pick until the match actually happened. --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
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People
did not trust Red/Blue because of Red's failure in the previous
contest. It was a mistake , some including me pointed out why. Red
alone as a character in a normal contest is completely different from
Red/Blue together as rivals. This was apparent after they crushed the
starcraft duo and SFF Luigi/Waluigi in the same manner Link would do.
Also they brought in almost 10k more votes than Ryu/Ken's match in the
previous round. The writing was on the wall. --- ... |
In
retrospect, this result kind of makes sense (well aside from how big
the gap is). I guess I just refused to believe that GameFAQs users had
such terrible opinions and a total lack of respect for the Street
Fighter duo. --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
I
think people are underplaying the draw the game/series has on these
contests at the expense of it being purely about the rivalry between two
individual characters. A rivalry is a relationship in a game/series and
I get the feeling that iconic rivalries which a game or series revolves
are are drawing votes in not for the characters but for the games
themselves. The whole Mario/Sonic business proved that for me. Every single time a Mario and Sonic character has met in the past in 1v1 the Sonic character has overperformed above expectations. Every time a Mario and Sonic game has met in the past the Sonic game has bombed hard. It's clear Mario/Sonic have an overlap in their fanbase because of this weirdness but the SFF split seems to favour Sonic purely on characters and Mario purely on the games. When you look at Mario/Bowser and what they did to Sonic/Robotnik looking back to both the Sonic duos strength on Kirby, the Mario/Shadow match and just Mario's solo performances in general I mean look at Zack sheesh. It's pretty clear this isn't Mario the plumber we're dealing with and its a very different beast of Mario the series. Which is an absolute powerhouse rather than the fumbling mid-tier nobler who underperforms on everything. I think the Trainer duo prove this again. Individually the characters are shells who only got nomination relevance through Smash Bros, even then they weren't of a popularity comparable to the notable Pokemon themselves and a shadow of the games strength. Once again we're seeing a different beast from these guys here, much more reminiscent of what one would expect from a Pokemon game. Its pretty naive to think that Red/Blue is a good rivalry and use this as evidence for it, more that the Red/Blue rivalry embodies the whole "Be the best in the land" plot of Pokemon RBY and people sure love RBY. This is probably that game we're looking at masquerading as 2 characters. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
The
results aren't weird, Red/Blue was going to benefit from the format
more than Ryu/Ken I just didn't expect it to bridge the strength gap
between the pairs and that Ryu/Ken weren't going to be weaklings in that
department either (and I still believe they aren't). --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
Every
single time a Mario and Sonic character has met in the past in 1v1 the
Sonic character has overperformed above expectations. Mario/Knuckles? Yoshi/Knuckles? Bowser/Shadow? Sonic/Luigi went exactly as Sonic/Tifa 2005 predicted. Mario/Shadow is the only thing that supports your idea. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
From: charmander6000 | #255 You believe correctly. There's no way Ryu puts up 65% on Fox (Snake only managed 67% in a night match) or 82% on Ratchet 1v1. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
In
retrospect, this result kind of makes sense (well aside from how big
the gap is). I guess I just refused to believe that GameFAQs users had
such terrible opinions and a total lack of respect for the Street
Fighter duo. Depending on how Red/Blue do in their next matches, this may not be true. Ryu/Ken may still end up being quite strong. Red/Blue just happened to be way stronger than almost anyone expected. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
From: Wii_TuRtLe | #253 You're right. It's almost as bad as when Brawl Beat Melee. Damn Gamefaqs and their abysmal taste. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
From: TRE Public Account | #258 i don't think next match that big of an indication...Because Samus could suffer SFF from trainers and look worse than she already does this contest. I wouldn't be surprised if Samus loses by the same margin. Though Trainers/Mario will show us how strong this rivalry really is. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
Trainer will be in bandwagon mode by Mario/Bowser --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
why
is this bad taste? why is SF better than Pokemon? Pokemon games were
incredibly fun and addictive and the anime used to be pretty awesome.
Red/Blue are the definition of "Rivals" . There is nothing wrong or bad
about this result. Besides this is gamefaqs, fighting games will never
beat RPGs in popularity. --- ... |
WELCOME to the Pokemon ASV. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
SF fans have this weird sense of entitlement is all. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
A 69% update for Red/Blue. That's pretty nice. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
Also roughly when do US schools start going on break? --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
All the times GameFAQs has displayed bad taste and people criticise the one time it has glorious, magnificent taste --- http://i46.tinypic.com/301k70h.gif |
Never thought there'd be so much whining for a match in this contest. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
pjbasis posted... Never thought there'd be so much whining for a match in this contest. The Street Fighter fanbase is quickly becoming the worst overall contest fanbase. I don't think any other fanbase acts so consistently indignant and shocked every time their entrant loses a debated match. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I think that this happens because before the contest started nobody expected Ruy/Ken not to win the division. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
KamikazePotato posted... pjbasis posted... Never thought there'd be so much whining for a match in this contest. The Street Fighter fanbase is quickly becoming the worst overall contest fanbase. I don't think any other fanbase acts so consistently indignant and shocked every time their entrant loses a debated match. Literally implying that the Pokemon fanbase isn't the most vocal and annoying of all the fanbases. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
From: KamikazePotato | #269 It's pretty crazy. And the CS+D topic is probably the most anti-Pokemon board 8 subculture (I can't think of more than, say, 10 regulars who aren't Pokemon fans and a lot of them post itt), so when you have Pokemon beating SF all hell breaks loose. --- "To be fair to Herman Cain, we can't all be as wise as Slowking when he's wearing the Shellder of knowledge. Look it up, b****es." - Jon Stewart |
I want every "SF fan whining" topic linked in here so I can personally visit each and pledge my support. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
KamikazePotato posted... SF fans have this weird sense of entitlement is all. I'm not really a huge Street Fighter fan. I played the hell out of SF2 back in the day, but haven't touched a game since then (well, aside from MvC2 and 3. I just never understood the Pokemon love, and I was at the prime age when it came out. I'm still shocked at how strong RBY, Red/Blue and Charizard are/were. --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #270 Those of us with half a brain knew they never had a prayer. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
I should also mention I never expected so much smugness either. Pokemon fans are pretty defensive and react strongly to vindication it seems. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Literally implying that the Pokemon fanbase isn't the most vocal and annoying of all the fanbases. Definitely not. Switch the Pokemon and Deus Ex fanbase and we'd be getting complaints that Charizard didn't beat Bowser by enough and he should have done better on Mario. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
I never understood the Zelda love on this site. I find most Zelda games boring. Opinions I guess. |
From: TRE Public Account | #277 I'm confident that RBY only putting up 51% on lol rock band would have elicited complaints from diehard Pokemon fans. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Looks like Trainers will definitely finish over 60%. I still don't see them defeating Mario/Bowser though. I think they will get SFFed badly too. --- ... |
Remember a few topics back I said people were gonna go "SF2 LOST?" Yea lol. --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
Any fanbase should have the right to complain about a beloved game almost losing to Rock Band. I don't care if it was technically an upset. Street Fighter fans are just really, really entitled. I get that they're surprised at a series so well-known never doing quite as well as other icons. At the same time, they kind of need to get over it. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Pokemon
fans are worse since they're all elitist and brag in peoples faces
about their kids cartoon characters winning. Like today shows how bad
and annoying that fanbase really is. No other fanbase is as smug --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
Pokemon
fans are worse since they're all elitist and brag in peoples faces
about their characters winning. Like today shows how bad and annoying
that fanbase really is. No other fanbase is as smug Only as a direct response to the SF fans saying that the trainers have no chance, etc etc. |
FateStayAlbion posted... Pokemon fans are worse since they're all elitist and brag in peoples faces about their kids cartoon characters winning. Like today shows how bad and annoying that fanbase really is. No other fanbase is as smug I see more people calling "bad" and "abysmal" taste than pokemon fans bragging. --- ... |
MWC
aside, I've seen pretty much nonexistent bragging from the Pokemon
side. Celebrating=/= bragging. SF fans, on the other hand, have been
pissing and moaning constantly. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: White_Tiger | #278 Let's be friends --- "I'll tell you Sess' placement in an hour" - l3fty "OK, Ryan f***ing Seacrest" - Sess |
I'm confident that RBY only putting up 51% on lol rock band would have elicited complaints from diehard Pokemon fans. Well, I suppose that's true since it would have meant a massive drop of in strength from their previous showings. But Deus Ex doesn't have a history of strong performances. I would have been happy with 50.01% on Star Ocean back in 2006 when Pokemon didn't look so hot. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
http://memegenerator.net/instance/11626505 >_> --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
From: KamikazePotato | #286 I'd have moaned had Pokemon lost but mostly because it'd have been the end of my battle bracket; Trainers are the superior option here for me but losing to one of the progenitors of fighting games as a genre and a classic p1/p2 rivalry isn't a disaster. It wouldn't be on Golden Sun or FFX > RE4 tier of awful for instance. Meanwhile people seem pretty pissed off with the flood of "SF LOST OMG POKEMON SO F***ING KIDDY OMG REPETITIVE GAMES OMG" rhetoric today. Whatever, http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22200000/Haters-Gonna-Hate-pokemon-22217817-420-280.gif --- "With Harry, it's cool. We don't speak a lot and he doesn't care if I smile or if I know who the next team we play is." - Benoit Assou-Ekotto |
Can't believe people still think the Trainers have strength far above Ocelot's. Or that their rivalry is just THAT good. It's Charizard people. That's the reason they are stomping. If I had known Charizard would be in their pictures I'd have taken them a lot further. My fault though. Should have guessed it. --- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 |
Red/Blue > Charizard/Blastoise in terms of rivalry and given this match they may even be stronger than those guys. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
Well,
ASV isn't strong enough here to convince me Trainers end up over 60%.
California ASV should help and then 2nd night vote should go to the
Fighters. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
charmander6000 posted... Red/Blue > Charizard/Blastoise in terms of rivalry and given this match they may even be stronger than those guys. Hahahaha! I'd take that bet any day of the year. Trainer v Charizard/Blastoise...and the Trainers win. My sides hurt just hearing it. --- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 |
Trainers would beat out Charizard/Blastoise very easily. 1 v 1 would be different. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Besides you're implying Charizard has caused the trainers to at least 60/40 themselves without Charizard which is laughable. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 65/72 Today: Ryu/Ken |
The
mistake I made when looking at "iconic" rivalries was that I (and
others) used the characters as a baseline, instead of the series/game
itself. Looking at things with the games as the baseline, Ryu vs. Ken
actually do overperform relative to the popularity of their series,
moreso than Red/Blue, so on that basis they do benefit more from
"rivalry factor" than the trainers do. What we ignored, was that part of what makes the Ryu/Ken rivalry iconic already comes through in Ryu by himself, so using the character as a baseline is not as helpful. Ryu is more popular than his games, and considering his character design isn't any better than other characters in the contest (Don't get me wrong, it's good, but almost every character in these contests has good character design), that has to be because part of the iconicity that we thought would come through in Ryu/Ken is already present in a typical contest. The fact that Ryu himself is not any more popular than he is, should have been our first clue. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
KamikazePotato posted... Trainers would beat out Charizard/Blastoise very easily. What? You two are talking craziness. There is no way this would happen. Wth? --- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 |
I
would take the two pokemon to crush the trainers easily. Pokemon are
always more popular than the trainers. Who likes the actual trainers
anyway? its the pokemon that people love. The trainers doing so good is
because they are associated with the pokemon and the games. --- ... |
