GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1031
I also think this poll is one of the best examples of the importance of the voters' average age. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4271 74% of the site is younger than 26, born after 1985 59% of the site is between 18-25, born between 1986 and 1993 Ryu/Ken derive much of their strength from the rivalry that developed amongst friends at the arcade, where one would chose Ryu and the other would chose Ken to spite the other player. Competing fireballs were thrown and these older gamers developed a great passion for the rivalry between the two characters. But many GameFaqs voters today were too young to be caught up in the "arcade" era of gaming, which was primarily in the early 1980s to 1994ish. "By the time of the PlayStation (1995) and the Nintendo 64 (1996), both of which boasted true 3D graphics, many video game arcades across the country had gone out of business."- wikipedia Instead, I would argue that the period of 1998-2006 is now the strongest period of nostalgia for voters. These years represent an average GameFaqs voters' teenage years and create the strongest nostalgic pangs. The Ryu/Ken rivalry originated from a game released in 1991, and peaked in the early 90s. The Red/Blue rivalry originated from a game released in 1999, but was sustained by the persistence of further generations of Pokemon game release rivalries(Gold version v Silver Version, Ruby v Sapphire, etc) that have made the original rivalry even stronger for setting the precedent. Average GameFaqs voters are now too young to remember arcade gaming, and that has directly led to Ryu/Ken's downfall. --- MMM... cookies |
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From: Lopen | #087 I disagee strongly with this. I have polled my friends about this over the last month, and they are mostly casual videogamers. Pokemon dominated. Obviously, not the best sample, but still. I think people either overestimate the broad appeal of Street Fighter or underestimate the appeal of Pokemon. Pokemon WAS the 90s. Everybody who was between the ages of 5 and 15 in the late 90s had Pokemon influence their life in some way shape or form. Even if they never had a gameboy, they remember the Pokemon trading cards, or the anime, or something. Nothing Street Fighter has ever had that much of an effect on people. Hell, I'd hazard to say NO other video game has ever had that broad an effect on people (though a significant part of it is "the culture" more than specifically the games). Sure, the Ryu/Ken rivalry is iconic and recognizable, and they are the emblem of fighting game fans. But outside of California, fighting games have been for the most part "just a game". So except for the most hardcore gamers (which, admittedly, this site is more geared towards), I would expect the general public to lean heavily towards Pokemon, which had such a far greater "influence" on their lives. --- ##Alec |
I
like both of these series, not a lot or anything (not the best fighter,
not the best RPG) but well enough. Normally I'd argue Pokemon never
evolves or really changes the world, but against SF I won't be making
that comment. This ends like I said. Pokemon will flatten Samus with 56-59%, fall to Mario with a high 40's%. --- :> |
Good
analysis, but the dominant time span is 1995-2001. The PS1/N64
generation holds the power on this site. Note that the SNES generation
is still more numerous, and as the site continues to age rapidly, the
median date of birth is no longer moving. However, SNES generation
people still vote for N64 generation stuff, while the PS1/N64 generation
stuff often massively favors something, giving it the power. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I
wonder what the % of people who picked fighters also picked g s c last
year v mm. Must be high. This result was never in doubt for me. People
who dont understand the red/blue rivalry dont get its strength. I dont
know why some of you rode SF's **** so much. Acting like Ryu/Ken is the
most iconic rivalry ever and everyone would care for it. I dont give a
crap about the rivalry because i dont care for SF. Just like a lot of
people on this site. Trainers wont win contest, they will still get
beaten by mario comfortably and i was foolish to pick samus over them
pre contest. People just overrated fighters. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
Lopen | Posted 12/7/2011 1:32:39 AM | message detail I've never imagined myself as the protagonist. I guess a lot of people that like silent protagonists do? I wonder how many of the people that like them name them after themselves. That'd be an interesting poll. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3390 Nearly 32% of the site does not use the default name for their character. And then there's still another 35-36% that sometimes will change the name of their character. But only 32% that will always stick with the default name. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
From: The_Djoker | #155 Hint: A lot of people who picked SF feel this way about Pokemon So basically turn your feelings around and you get our feelings on the matter --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
Ryu/Ken really slicing through that percentage now, too. Nearly .75% gained in the last hour. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
Yes,
and we've got a long night to go before they're finished cutting.
Though I guess Pokemon will recover most of it with the ASV. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Most of it? I doubt it. It's going to be more difficult for them to gain that percentage back during the ASV than it is going to be for Ryu/Ken to cut it right now. --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
I
don't know about Ryu/Ken peaking in the early 90s. It wasn't until the
mid-90s that Super Street Fighter 2 came out on the SNES, which I would
guess is how most people played it. SF2 sold over 10 million copies on
the SNES alone. That's a pretty big deal even by today's standards.
Pokemon did come out at a better time for the age bracket here, but I
don't think Ryu/Ken miss out on a big nostalgia kick. Street Fighter
wasn't an arcade exclusive phenomenon. --- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." |
It's 3 AM already. Pokemon ending with the same percentage as at 3 AM against SF sounds about right. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: The_Djoker | #155 I picked Trainers over Fighers (and won 2 testicles on it) and Majora's Mask over G/S/C (and won 2 testicles on it). It made sense to me. --- http://img.imgcake.com/alec1pngus.png |
62.5% would be fine. I thought you were saying they could get back up to 64% or something. --- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif |
No
but i still understood why ryu/Ken is a classic rivalry. Im talking
about the outcome of this match. You in paticular didnt understand
red/blue rivalry and picked fighters. Whatever opinion you have the
logic behind going against pookemon based on character strength was a
flawed one. But people will still argue the result goes against logic
and that the result is a strange one. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
I picked Ryu/Ken because I liked them better. That's usually what I end up doing when the match is debatable in my mind. I'm still not sure what you're even trying to say, but whatever. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
I
bet anything that if Red gets into next contest and gets a R/B/Y pic
rather than a Brawl one he does much better and that this isn't really
the rivalry being that big of a difference. Rivalries clearly do matter
but I refuse to believe that they are taking someone from going even
with Ocelot to maybe beating Mario/Bowser and stomping Samus. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
This
result makes Samus's percent on Terra/Kefka look amazing, unless we're
going to retroactively claim that Luigi/Waluigi weren't SFFed. Not good enough to beat Trainers obviously, but she's safely in the argument for the contest #5. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
Not when she's losing to the contest #5 tomorrow...! (That's right, Bosses > Snakes book it) --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg |
Given how awful Liquid Snake is, I wouldn't be completely stunned by him managing to cause Big Boss > Solid Snake! (it should happen anyways Big Boss was here, Solid Snake is a loser!) --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
I picked Trainers over Fighers (and won 2 testicles on it) and Majora's Mask over G/S/C (and won 2 testicles on it). ^ the mm/gsc was a legit debatable match. But yes i went with mm too. This match was debated more than it should have been even pre contest. My point is people who were convinced gsc would win used results from 4 way matches to predict a result. For this match it was individual character strength when rivalry factor mattered. The problem is a lot of peopke just didnt get or understand the value of the red/blue one. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
Should
we try to see how strong Blue is by himself in the next Character
Battle? With Red/Blue being this strong, there's a fair chance Blue
might actually have some strength. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
I
really don't see what there is to *get* about the red/blue rivalry. I
got Pokemon Red with a gameboy color for my 9th birthday and completed
the pokedex and had a large group of friends that I played it with. None
of them cared about the rivalry we cared about the Pokemon. Me
completing the pokedex was a far bigger deal than any of us beating
Blue. I don't even remember having trouble with him or thinking it was a
good fight as a little kid. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
No, this is clearly rivalry factor. Now Giovanni, that's who we should nominate! --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
someone from going even with Ocelot to maybe beating Mario/Bowser and stomping Samus Individual character strength. Samus/ridley is much weaker than samus. And trainers arent beating mario. People jumping to conclusions based on this performance which is great but not enough to beat mario lets be realistic. Red as a character would still be mid carder at best. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
From: The_Djoker | #175 Why is him beating Mario crazy exactly? Cloud only got 65% on Ryu last year and Ryu/Ken should be stronger as a duo if rivalry factor is really that big of a deal. Then there is also the bandwagon that should start building. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
From: The_Djoker | #171 That's kiiiiiiind of ridiculous. The only guy calling Red/Blue a LOCK YOU IDIOTS A DAMN LOCK before the contest was MWC, and he is a very passionate fellow. The fact of the matter is that Ryu and Ken are stronger individually and are one of the most iconic and recognizable rivalries in gaming history. Red/Blue was clearly an upset pick based on past evidence because you needed to assume that putting them together would have resulted in an incredible, monumental, unheard of strength increase. Luckily for those of us who picked them, that's exactly what happened, but saying that this match should have been debated a lot less (implying Red/Blue should have been clear favorites) is silly and smacks of revisionist history. You shouldn't be a clear favorite based on an assumption that we've never even seen happen before. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Anyone who doesn't get that they're rivals when the goddamn intro to the game says 'you've been rivals since you were babies' is nuts. That said anyone thinking Red or Blue would be anything more than decent is equally nuts, and Giovanni would make for cooler match pics, so since you're going to bandwagon another Poke-person into the contest to join Red, make it him. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/597oi.png |
Wow, Charizard vs Blastoise sure is a strong rivalry. |
I
got (and get) that they were rivals I just didn't care. I had 5-10
friends I played it with and I can't recall any of them truly caring
either. Like I said we played for the Pokemon. Things like the
legendaries, all the mystery around Mew, and filling out the pokedex
were far more interesting to us. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
I really don't see what there is to *get* about the red/blue rivalry ^ that other guy posted some decent stuff. Its not the rivalry between those specific characters its the rivalry between trainers and pokemon in general. Think outside the box. Rivalry factor matters so does other stuff. You keep referring to certain rivalries as characters. Samus/ridley is weaker than samus because ridley sucks. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
Individual
strength does matter though. If rivalry factor was a major, major deal
and nothing else mattered then shouldn't Phoenix have pumped up and
cruised through his division? Too bad he wasn't in a game as heavily
nostalgic here as RBY - then he probably would have. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
You shouldn't be a clear favorite based on an assumption that we've never even seen happen before. We never seen something from a more popular franchise beat something thats weaker? Again this contest is s rivalry contest. Its a new and unknown format You keep using past data to keep making likely predictions. Why was ryu favourite? Most iconic rivalry? Again refer to my comment about SF. Its not that big of a deal Im not saying there was a lock. But i guess people underestimated trainers purely based on character strength. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
If Red vs Ryu happens next contest are you taking Ryu? --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
Still taking Ryu. Just like I'd imagine a lot of people are still taking Leon Kennedy > Sub-Zero next contest if the situation arises. --- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif |
Phoenix have pumped up and cruised through his division? ^ who wright? Why? The number of people who haved PW compared to CV is enourmous. Alucard/dracula is a good rivalry. PW/ME did as well as they could. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
From: The_Djoker | #183 Largely, but not exclusively. Once again, Ryu/Ken is one of the most iconic and recognizable rivalries ever - far more so than Red/Blue. Obviously, that didn't matter on this site because RBY stomps anything Street Fighter and Red/Blue are essentially channeling the strength of the game and all its nostalgia - but it was impossible to "know" something like that would happen. And even if you thought that Red/Blue together would be far, far stronger than they are individually - even if you thought that they would benefit enormously from Rivalry Factor - well, they still coulda lost because Ryu/Ken could have benefited from the same Rivalry Factor as much or more. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
If Red vs Ryu happens next contest are you taking Ryu? Yes. Because red on his own isnt strong. His strength comes from brawl more than pokemon. When did red actually make his first appearance was it post or pre brawl? I dont remember him in older contests. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
From: LeonhartFour | #185 Yeah, I'm not gonna let this contest sway my 1v1 predictions much at all. Look at these damn votals and the level of yawn, anyway. The site is gonna forget about this contest ten minutes after it's over. It's meaningless. Sub-Zero and Scorpion have a reason to boost, though. A lot of people played and liked new MK, and it was their first exposure with the series in years. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
If you aren't a Pokemon fanboy, you'll probably never get what makes Red/Blue so good. Like Tofa, I'm a part of the demographic that went Pokemon crazy. We are the 62%. Also, I hope we get Trainers vs Cloud/Seph as a match for 3rd place. The board vote would be nuts. --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
I
hope them fighting boys can hit 40%, even if briefly. IIRC, Pokemon's
morning vote isn't nearly as beastly as its ASV, right? If Ryu/Ken can
survive that, they might be able to whittle away percentage well into
the day. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Also,
hindsight johns and all, but if I knew that 2 other people took the
exact same guru bracket as me, Alucard > Frog would of been the first
change I made. I hope Frog still has this though! --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/7/2011 4:00:45 AM | message detail I hope them fighting boys can hit 40%, even if briefly. IIRC, Pokemon's morning vote isn't nearly as beastly as its ASV, right? If Ryu/Ken can survive that, they might be able to whittle away percentage well into the day. Correct, the morning vote isn't nearly as strong as the ASV. If Pokemon does get the morning vote, it will only be from about 6-8 AM, and then Ryu takes over again during the DSV. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Yo
i understand your point but you are still assuming GF cares that much
about the SF rivalry. Rivalry factor does matter and in this case people
think red/blue has better rivalry. They will be more biased towards
pokemon because pokemon is far more popular on this site. Several other
factors matter too. Franchise popularity is the reason why this match
isnt close. Same reason why dante didnt Stomp sora --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #187 For one, "iconic" doesn't necessarily mean strength, although we didn't know that pre-contest. And again, if you asked the general public (or gamers including casual gamers) rather than devoted gamers, I think you'd probably find more people who are familiar with the Pokemon trainers (though they may know them as Ash and Gary) than Ryu/Ken. I certainly have in my limited polling. --- http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/sihp/waluigi.gif |
Dude, I'm just saying the idea that "this match got more debate than it should have," which essentially implies that Red/Blue should have been the clear favorite,
is silly. People were already expecting rivalries to matter and most
accounted for it by taking Red/Blue over Luigi, a far stronger character
than either of them. Luigi got very little board support despite past
results indicating he should have been very competitive, if not the
favorite outright. So yes, people expected and counted on Red/Blue to be
stronger as a team. However, they were also (very logically) expecting
Ryu/Ken to be stronger as a team. Couple that with the fact that Ryu and
Ken are much stronger individually, and there you go. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Almost a cut there... I'm hoping we'll see a cut or two in these deep Europe hours. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
I
don't see them anywhere, but what were the nomination rules again? You
could nominate a historical character but not fictional? Dracula and
Zeus made the contest anyway? --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
When
i said debated as much i meant the % of people picked one or either
convincingly. I still dont get the sf being stronger because it has
better characters. How strong is Ken? Id say fodder at best. --- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5716/linkpron.gif |
Oh, I'm agreeing with you that it wasn't predictable. It was a gamble. I just think it makes sense with what we know now, which some people seem to have argued against. --- http://img.imgcake.com/who20pnggu.png - fr0q |
