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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1031
Didn't know about the Alpha stuff which is cool, but it's not anything special compared to other games. Like if you look at it 'objectively' Red/Blue isn't that great either, yeah, but Red/Blue fans don't go around saying that Ryu/Ken is a dumb rivalry or whatever, because it would be stupid. Both are mostly nostalgia avatars anyway - insulting one is insulting the other. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
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Red is literally a generic silent protagonist Guess who wins the contest every damn year --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Red is literally a generic silent protagonist Red is literally a silent protagonist. Silent protagonist Red must be a wonderful character. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Green > Red --- I wish I could wear skirts and dresses :( -GMUN |
Yeah, and as I recall you're right there with me being down on Link being a good character! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Oh, and I was worried about my bracket for a while there. Red/Blue making me look good here :D --- If you believe in Jesus Christ and are 100% proud, put this in your sig. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3788/ronpaul2012banner.jpg |
Blue > Red > Green. Fortunately Link has outfits in all three colors! --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
If I'm insulting a nostalgia avatar it's probably what it represents that is the problem ! --- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." |
Glad school's gonna be over with by the time R4 comes around. Cloud winning would pretty much guarantee me the win. How's the rest of your bracket red sox? You seem to be one of the only Cloud supporter's around. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Nostalgia
> video games. By far. I mean, honestly, conventional video game
character development isn't all that great. But gaming is very good at
triggering those feelings of nostalgia. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
How's the rest of your bracket red sox? You seem to be one of the only Cloud supporter's around. I've got the Trainers to the semifinals, Samus > Bosses, and Frog > Alucard. I was eliminated from the guru way back though to my surprise (thought I had enough upsets not to get eliminated so early, but apparently someone else has a very similar bracket). --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I
don't mind nostalgia avatars-- that's a lot of the appeal of Ryu/Ken
for me, but Red/Blue just doesn't do it for me. If I want Pokemon
nostalgia it's about the Pokemon I typically used. Put Meowth or
Butterfree or Machamp in a character battle match and I'm down with it.
But like, a trainer? That's probably the 30th thing I think of when I
think Pokemon. Pokemon voters completely baffle me to the point where I
wonder if Charizard vs Pikachu would be doing worse here despite not
actually being a rivalry. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
It's not about the game, it's about the 1990s and life back then. Or that's my guess anyway. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: red sox 777 | #061 Oh. Well that's good. I have Alucard > Frog so maybe I'll weed out whoever that was then. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Yesterday's chart: Time | X/Zero | Subpion | Votes | Demographic EBV | 55.10% | 44.90% | 726 | (0:00-0:05) PHV | 55.39% | 44.61% | 5010 | (0:00-1:00) FNV | 53.39% | 46.61% | 10053 | (1:00-6:00) BSV | 52.94% | 47.06% | 5833 | (6:00-9:00) DSV | 50.77% | 49.23% | 12203 | (9:00-14:30) ASV | 52.78% | 47.22% | 15638 | (14:30-22:00) SNV | 52.92% | 47.08% | 2984 | (22:00-24:00) Sub-Zero/Scorpion go nearly even during the DSV and actually do better overall in the second half of the match compared to the first half. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
At
least this gives me retroactive validation for wanting Mew / Mewtwo in
the bracket! Would probably be doing something it shouldn't like
60-40'ing Samus. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
From: red sox 777 | #063 Same thing. The whole Charizard vs Pikachu theory still holds water in that case. People aren't voting for the rivalry they're voting for the game (or the nostalgia the game gives them). --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
I knew someone would type Pokefear for post 500. --- Red vs. Blue what is even special about this. -ZFS here's a guy that doesn't get it! No desire to be the very best! -SHINE GET 64 |
Mew/Mewtwo
would be ****ing beastly. It would easily take at least two of the
divisions in this contest. They would float through Alucard's like
nothing, and Squall wouldn't be able to stop them. They have the exact
same ace in the hole that Trainers do - monster RBY nostalgia. Of
course, their inclusion as the second Pokemon team may actually weaken
both, but in a direct match, maybe they can even beat the Trainers. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Lopen posted... From: red sox 777 | #063 It's not about the game, it's about the 1990s and life back then. Or that's my guess anyway. Same thing. The whole Charizard vs Pikachu theory still holds water in that case. People aren't voting for the rivalry they're voting for the game (or the nostalgia the game gives them). Any 'random Pokemon vs. random Pokemon' would not do as well as Red vs. Blue. I mean, you're free to think that because you apparently can't understand people liking characters and appreciating a rivalry, but you'd be wrong. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #069 Kick a guy while he's down why don't ya --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
Lopen posted... I don't mind nostalgia avatars-- that's a lot of the appeal of Ryu/Ken for me, but Red/Blue just doesn't do it for me. If I want Pokemon nostalgia it's about the Pokemon I typically used. Put Meowth or Butterfree or Machamp in a character battle match and I'm down with it. But like, a trainer? That's probably the 30th thing I think of when I think Pokemon. Pokemon voters completely baffle me to the point where I wonder if Charizard vs Pikachu would be doing worse here despite not actually being a rivalry. I'd see your point if this was 1v1, but it isn't. If we're talking about RIVALS, Red/Blue are as big as Ken/Ryu in that department. And also if you want to talk about results on this site being baffling, I could go on for several years. I mean it got a little better when Snake got awesome and Pokemon stopped getting heavily antivoted, but baffling stuff happens in these contests in a very sizeable portion of matches. --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Mew/Mewtwo would get flattened by the trainers. --- Tofa7 - LoZ-LoD | Hardcore "Thank you, thank you, no applause necessary, just send money..." |
And here is the most recent example. |
From: KamikazePotato | #070 I think the difficulty is in understanding why people like these particular characters and this particular rivalry. I know R/B/Y repeatedly tries to drill it into your head that YOU GUYS ARE RIVALS, but meh. --- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif |
Yeah,
Mew/Mewtwo, Charizard/Blastoise, and Charizard/Pikachu would be pretty
strong too. I do think the Trainers allow you to connect with the 1990s
in a way that the rest can't quite do though- the silent protagonist is
a perfect vehicle for emotional attachment. Red, or Link, or Crono, is
who your 1990s self always wanted to be. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I would really like to see Red in a 1 v 1 contest with a sprite pic. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I'd
imagine this board would favor Charizard/Blastoise over Red/Blue even
now. I think Mew/Mewtwo would have a real shot as well. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
From: red sox 777 | #076 My 1990s self wanted to be Mega Man! --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
They
might favor it, but they'd still be wrong. Red/Blue is
Protagonist/Antagonist. It encompasses RBY in its entirety. Charizard
/Blastoise would be strong, but it can't compare to that. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Whoops, forgot the link. HERE is the most recent example. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4150 |
Also
as far as rivalry factor go, Red/Blue have got those pokemon pairings
beat. They're weaker in raw strength, but this contest seems to be
saying that rivalry quality is more important than strength. And before we get another chorus of people saying that Red/Blue isn't a good rivalry- the voters think so. Because they didn't like Red all that much last contest, but they love this rivalry. So it's rivalry factor. As many people expected. So it doesn't matter if you don't like them as a rivalry. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Ah, the best match from last year. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
can't see any pokemon rivalries being stronger than the trainers.
Blue's the one antagonizing you the whole game. Charizard v. Blastoise
is just a battle of box art covers. Mew and Mewtwo only interact in the
movie, and really, do you want to rely on a movie for strength? --- Xbox Live: Mach Tornado PSN: HeyGuysItsGhoul |
From: -Tofa7- | #073 I'm not sure at all about that. Trainers lose all their "guaranteed bonuses" in that match, and it's up to us to figure out which team will get them. There's no guarantee that all the nostalgia would favor the Trainers. We know for sure that the Pokemon are stronger 1v1, and Mewtwo has already shown flashes of greatness. He's #150. He's the one everyone used a Master Ball on. Mewtwo's nostalgia factor would be huge. Same with Mew, the secret Pokemon. #151 is no ****ing joke. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
From: red sox 777 | #082 hey sounds like why I said Link/Ganondorf was going to win this contest --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
They're
not, though. Ken/Ryu are the focus of a franchise. Hell, a genre in
some ways. Red/Blue are a relatively minor part (the game isn't about
red/blue it's about catching the Pokemon) of the start of a franchise. A
much bigger franchise than SF, mind you, but still, much smaller part.
Hold this poll among the general gaming public and I don't see this being close. Ryu/Ken are like the fathers of the fighting game. I think people who aren't stuck in the 90s and sucking off everything Nintendo would give them their just respect. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
RBY is Pokemon on this site, and in general. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
And
speaking personally, no fighting game rivalry really does it for me. I
don't care how old they are. It just isn't interesting. Hadoken spam
battles are just painful. So basically what I'm saying is someone who thinks Kirby/MK is a legitimately good rivalry over Sonic/Robotnik needs to review their own logic a bit. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
have Aludrac winning their division and the trainers getting to
Mariowser. However, I have Sora/Riku beating Squall/Seifer. I'm screwed
-_-. --- Demyx is better than Axel. http://www.last.fm/user/crazydom |
KamikazePotato posted... Ah, the best match from last year. It honestly would have been routine s*** when I joined in 04 but the site had started to move away from holy crap so terrible results. I mean Snake actually beat Sephiroth, something I never thought I'd see. So for the site to just throw something as bad as that in my face was just...a very bitter pill to swallow. And then I didn't even get to enjoy the satisfaction of it gettin destroyed, because it got destroyed by ffx. Which then beat RE4. Augh. |
Well if Kirby/MK actually beat Sonic/Robotnik you'd have a point. I'm not saying that Ken/Ryu are a better
rivalry for any of that stuff-- I'm saying they're a more iconic
rivalry because of that stuff. If the site is siding with the iconic
rivalries which is why you'd go Sonic/Robotnik, Ryu/Ken should win this
pretty easily. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
I
want to see how they do against Mario/Bowser before I say
charizard/blastoise beats them. Unless trainers get blown out, I'd
still take them over any other poke entrant. And blue would still beat red 1 vs !. --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
hey might as well go ahead and have Sora/Riku beat Squall/Seifer at this point --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
The site is siding with what rivalries they like more get that hivemind crap out of my face. --- Ngirl is a toll bridge - Wigs Gotta pay if you want to come inside! - Ngirl |
My 1990s self wanted to be Mega Man! But you can't be Mega Man, because you're not a robot and cannot have the same concerns that MM does. Just like you can't be Cloud, because he has a set character given to him by Square and for just about everyone, that's not you. You definitely can't be Snake. But you can indulge the fantasy that you are Link/Red/Crono. The game doesn't force you to imagine them a certain way. So you imagine them in the best possible way. And years later, you identify them with your hopes and dreams. Because what you are really nostalgic for more than anything else is the boundless dreams you used to have. And objectively speaking, the 90s were a much better time for America, which heightens the nostalgia. In 1999 the economy was booming, internet was coming to every home, and you could become a multimillionaire overnight holding an IPO for your internet company that had no profits now and no plans to ever make profits at any time in the future. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
"Hold
this poll among the general gaming public and I don't see this being
close. Ryu/Ken are like the fathers of the fighting game. I think
people who aren't stuck in the 90s and sucking off everything Nintendo
would give them their just respect." You're right in that it wouldn't be close, at least. |
Who
cares about iconic stuff. Mario/Bowser is sorta good for basically
starting the entire industry and being around forever, but aside from
that, whatever. The best rivalry in the bracket is Ramza/Delita. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
My
instinct was that rivalry quality was going to be a lot more important
than iconicness as a rivalry, though the jury is still out on that.
This match is strongly arguing for the former though. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: red sox 777 | #096 Actually, a large, large, large amount of Cloud's appeal is the fact that he's given a ridiculous amount of dialogue choices that you get to make for him, so in that sense, you get to make Cloud who you want him to be in a large part. And it's extremely easy to pretend to be Cloud or Mega Man if you can pretend to be a guy who collects fictional monsters in balls or plays time-traveling instruments or a guy who gets killed by a parasite "They don't talk" doesn't make them better models for pretending. --- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif |
