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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1031
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KamikazePotato posted... Ryu/Ken is, legitimately, not a particularly good rivalry. It's just two friends that fight. doesn't blue literally just randomly appear and then say 'smell ya later' after he loses. --- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." |
They wanna be the very best Like no one ever was --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
Pokemon, its you and me. I know it's my destiny --- http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5564/a4e8cbaf68958cc356a133d.jpg http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/CaptainRockman.png |
Doesn't really matter what Cloud does. --- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif |
Only one can be the very best. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Buy/Sell: Link/Ganon and Cloud/Seph double not only their Round 3 opponents, but also their Round 4 ones. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
And it matters loads what Cloud does considering he's going to win this contest. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
In
the past contest I would say the same to the silly ffvii
rallies/uptalks. But some rivals do standout enough to break the stats
(looks at this match), and cloud/sephiroth is as gaming iconic in that
category as they come. My money is on link but this is a better contest
than any where cloud and seph could team up to break the law. Personally I don't think they have a chance because how can you recover from being anti-voted so much you score the same percentage on Lloyd / Kratos that you do on Kratos / Zeus? --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
ZFS posted... KamikazePotato posted... Ryu/Ken is, legitimately, not a particularly good rivalry. It's just two friends that fight. doesn't blue literally just randomly appear and then say 'smell ya later' after he loses. You kill his Raticate. --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Cloud/Sephiroth may not double the Snakes, but Link will double both of his round 3 and round 4 opponents. --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg |
Oh ye of little faith. Cloud will bring the light. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
It wasn't necessarily you who killed his Raticate, though. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
From: IngmarBirdman | #009 Read that again. By remaining at an identical percentage against real competition as you would against fodder. --- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 |
The
one thing that worries me about the semis is that Mario has never
looked that great against new-school Nintendo. Kirby's matches against
them in 2005/2006, SMB/SSB, and Charizard last year don't paint a very
good picture. A lot of Nintendo fans don't really seem to care that much
about legacy, and that might hurt Mario/Bowser when they're up against a
bandwagon. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
LIKE A METEORAIN SCORCHING THE LAND OF HYRULE --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Wait, Kirby and Charizard are new school Nintendo? --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
Mario - 1981 Kirby - 1992 Charizard - 1996 90s is new school clearly. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
I
don't buy this being purely rivalry factor. I definitely think whatever
shift the halving of votals caused favors Nintendo. Link's performance
on Amaterasu was completely ridiculous based on Link vs Luigi and Luigi
vs Amaterasu last contest. Skyward Sword doesn't boost him like 10%.
Mario equaled Link's performance on Sonic. Arthas and Illidan
>>> Thrall and Link did 5% better on them than he did on
Thrall. Donkey Kong had his best contest ever. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
This contest will now go on a ~joust of awesome~ and it will be glorious. Bosses win tomorrow AND THEN SNAKES BEAT SEPHICLOUD ~PARADE OF EXCELLENCE~ AND TODAY WAS JUST THE START --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Yeah but in seriousness though. Red vs Blue is pretty much You like Pokemon He wants to do better than you Randomly shows up to fight you "Smell ya later" Repeat Honestly it's basically Samus vs Ridley only except randomly bashing through walls to pick a fight with you he just walks in from off screen and says something dumb --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Red/Blue
is something that goes on throughout the entire game. He's your first
battle. He counterpicks his Pokemon against you. His name appears on
every gym post, proclaiming how he beat you there already. He fights you
plenty of times, always keeping you on edge. And finally, he's the
final boss, having become the champion before you. It's a legitimately good rivalry. I'm not sure what Ryu/Ken has, honestly. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Glad I had Red/Blue beating Ryu/Ken (and Samus/Ridley for that matter). I almost wish I had them beating Mario/Bowser. --- Q. If your canoe is in a tree with its headlights on, how many pancakes does it take to get to the moon? A. None. Snakes don't have armpits. |
IngmarBirdman posted... Personally I don't think they have a chance because how can you recover from being anti-voted so much you score the same percentage on Lloyd / Kratos that you do on Kratos / Zeus? ...think about this for a minute and you contradicted your own concern. --- ------ --------- |
Buy/Sell: Link/Ganon and Cloud/Seph double not only their Round 3 opponents, but also their Round 4 ones. Sell. Snake is too hard an opponent for that. I feel like people have been burned a lot by picking against Link over the years, and they just can't get around a mental block anymore. It takes a ton of logic and reasoning to even convince people that Link isn't rapidly getting stronger every year, when it should be manifestly obvious. This is not your ordinary Zelda/FFVII matchup, this contest is literally rigged to create a Cloud/Seph victory. Doesn't mean they will win for sure, but their chances are far far far better than in a normal year. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Wait, Kirby and Charizard are new school Nintendo? Most of Kirby's popularity comes from Smash Bros., and the Pokemon crew is getting their nostalgia from a time period almost ten years later than Mario's peak, so yes they are much more new school than Mario/Bowser. Edit: Crono/Cloud are considered old school/new school as well and they're only two years apart, so I don't get what the problem is with what I said. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
Team Rocket Elite posted... It wasn't necessarily you who killed his Raticate, though. He dies of his wounds after you KO it on the SS Anne. It's CANON --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Ryu/Ken is to Street Fighter what Mario/Luigi is to SMB in a lot of ways. Player 1 vs. Player 2 --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
ZFS posted... KamikazePotato posted... Ryu/Ken is, legitimately, not a particularly good rivalry. It's just two friends that fight. doesn't blue literally just randomly appear and then say 'smell ya later' after he loses. Pretty much, yeah. Blue is essentially well-liked just because of the anime, though in all fairness, he was pretty damn cool on it. Still not sure why Red's so well-liked, but whatever! --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
From: LOLContests | #026 Being newer than Mario doesn't make them new school --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
LeonhartFour posted... Ryu/Ken is to Street Fighter what Mario/Luigi is to SMB in a lot of ways. Player 1 vs. Player 2 And that's fine, but that isn't anything special, and it's frankly strange that people put it on such a pedestal. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
FateStayAlbion | #483 Nothing says rivalry like Ryu/Ken either, seeing as how its one of the most iconic rivalries in gaming history. Yes, but Ryu/Ken are from a fighting series that the majority of gamers don't care about. The trainers are from a Nintendo RPG that also happens to be the second highest selling series of all time, and that was a big part of almost everyone's childhood. Rivalry factor can only do so much. From: Big Bob | #486 C'mon, Tofa. I'm the guy with trainers winning the contest, and even I admitted that this match could have gone either way. That makes no sense to me. If you thought Red/Blue were going to win the whole contest, and also thought this match would be close, that means you thought Ryu/Ken would be equal or stronger than Mario/Bowser, Cloud/Seph and Link/Ganondorf. --- Tofa7 - LoZ-LoD | Hardcore "Thank you, thank you, no applause necessary, just send money..." |
From: LeonhartFour | #028 Like GameFAQs plays multiplayer XD. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Then again, my success with Red/Blue doesn't really matter considering I had Chelle/Glados going to the quarter-finals. --- Q. If your canoe is in a tree with its headlights on, how many pancakes does it take to get to the moon? A. None. Snakes don't have armpits. |
KamikazePotato posted... Red/Blue is something that goes on throughout the entire game. He's your first battle. He counterpicks his Pokemon against you. His name appears on every gym post, proclaiming how he beat you there already. He fights you plenty of times, always keeping you on edge. And finally, he's the final boss, having become the champion before you. It's a legitimately good rivalry. I'm not sure what Ryu/Ken has, honestly. Not to mention how he does it wrong, goes against the moral of the game. And you kill his Raticate. --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Getting most of your strength from games released on the PS1/N64 or later makes you new school. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #013 Or, the more logical thing. Raticate sucks, Gary is on his way at this point in time (in lightning quick fashion) to becoming the strongest trainer on 2 Continents. (I would argue in the world, WTH thinks Wallace>Gary/Blue?) And therefore is not going to keep using a ****ing Raticate. He gets rid of other Pokemon throughout the game, no one thinks they die. Oak even points out that he lost because he did not care about his Pokemon, hence he would not have a problem just putting them in Bills PC. Finally, in canon, Gary/Blue fills out a **** ton of his Pokedex, stated by Oak, his aids, and Gary/Blue. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
From: KamikazePotato | #031 I didn't say that's all there was to it. Ryu/Ken get fleshed out a lot in other media besides the video games, but unlike the Pokemon anime, none of that stuff was ever popular. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
From: red sox 777 | #036 Debuting at that point makes you new school --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
Silverflash-x posted... Then again, my success with Red/Blue doesn't really matter considering I had Chelle/Glados going to the quarter-finals. ChellDOS making it that far would have been incredible. --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
Yeah so I'm equal fourth on the guru after this! --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
For
contest fanbases? What matters is where the fanbase comes from. If
Master Chief appeared in some obscure Atari game in the 70s, it's not
going to change his contest fanbase a bit. It'll still be new school. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I also like how Blue is still really bitter towards Red even 3 years later in GSC. Also yeah if you extend R/B to include Ash/Gary - which a lot of people might do when they vote - it absolutely smokes Ryu/Ken without even being close. --- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. |
Ryu/Ken
have some cool plot points. SFA2's pretty cool where there's a part in
the story where Ken has to fight Ryu so he doesn't go all DARK HADOU
EVIL RISING and he actually wins for once when it's all on the line
despite Ryu beating him most of the time normally due to being more
focused on fighting and crap. Other than that all I can recall is their basic back story of both being trained by the same guy and Ken always wanting to beat Ryu and stuff but honestly that one plot point previously mentioned beats the whole plot of Pokemon, a game that doesn't really do plot much. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
...think about this for a minute and you contradicted your own concern. Let me rephrase. Link's four-pack is complete fodder. Even though one of them can double another, Link goes out an ~85's both of them, which apparently is some sort of event horizon where for this contest nobody is gonna score higher than that. Cloud is basically in the same position, and he did the same thing ... except he only scored 76%. So either his fodder is less fodder-y than Link's, he's sufficiently weaker than Link, or he gets anti-voted quite a bit. If you have him winning, you're banking on the first option and I don't see that. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
Ryu/Ken
have the same dynamic going -- they grew up together, trained together,
fight together, try to best the other. It's a good rivalry, certainly
no less than Red vs. Blue, which isn't much of a rivalry to get attached
to. There's nothing special there either, unless you like Pokemon and
like them. That's fine, but that's what it is. It's not much different
with Ryu and Ken, only there's more history there and something that has
kinda extended beyond the games. Ryu and Ken are so frequently played
that they become rivals for the players, too. --- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." |
Let
me rephrase. Link's four-pack is complete fodder. Even though one of
them can double another, Link goes out an ~85's both of them, which
apparently is some sort of event horizon where for this contest nobody
is gonna score higher than that. Cloud is basically in the same
position, and he did the same thing ... except he only scored 76%. So
either his fodder is less fodder-y than Link's, he's sufficiently weaker
than Link, or he gets anti-voted quite a bit. If you have him winning,
you're banking on the first option and I don't see that. Link is the one opponent in the whole bracket against whom Cloud's anti-votes matter the least. Why? Because he's the strongest. Cloud's anti-voters would have voted for Link anyway if they weren't anti-voting Cloud, so they have little impact on that match. Against fodder, they make Cloud look bad by preventing him from getting blowouts to the extent the x-stats say he should. The stronger the opponent, the less anti-votes matter. --- --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
-dead- at all the salty Ryu/Ken fanboys. --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
Kratos vs. Zeus is definitely leagues above Amaterasu vs. Orochi. Orochi...or ZEUS? --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
Ryu
vs Ken also has the advantage of having appealing characters behind it.
Red is literally a generic silent protagonist and Blue... well, Blue's
okay, I guess. Nothing that special though. If he was a random
villain in a game that wasn't Pokemon you wouldn't have nearly the same
appreciation for his dickishness, because it's pretty tame really. I just don't get how people could really care about the trainers much. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
