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#151 | pirate109 | Posted 12/6/2011 11:26:00 AM | message detail
I'm also taking Trainers in my perfect battle bracket. I'm pretty nervous though. Lots of people declaring an easy win for Trainers makes me fear they'll have to eat their words. The Ryu/Ken supporters seem more quietly confident in a close, hard fought victory.
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#152 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/6/2011 11:27:34 AM | message detail
ASV should be interesting, SZ/Scorpion have been gaining percent in US and Canada, at one point in the morning they were at 53.5% and 56.5% respectively.
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#153 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/6/2011 11:28:45 AM | message detail
I don't think it will be a close match no matter which way it goes.
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#154 | transcience | Posted 12/6/2011 11:29:03 AM | message detail
this would be a hilarious comeback. maybe if we had real voters this could have happened.

so much confidence in the Trainers based on beating up Waluigi
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#155 | junk_funk | Posted 12/6/2011 11:29:19 AM | message detail
I equate the Trainers strength to Charizard in 2010, and I think that's a wonderful comparison not only considering Charizard and Blastoise will be in the picture, but also that Charizard was able to finish 4% ahead of Bowser.

The Trainers have that kind of strength. Considering Bowser could beat Ryu/Dante/Sora any old day (with around 55-56%), I'll go with Trainers too.

Unless Charizard isn't in the match pic. Then it turns into a toss up that could go either way.
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#156 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/6/2011 11:32:29 AM | message detail
There's no chance for a comeback, but the main reason Sub-Zero and Scorpion have been stalling is that they've been gaining support in North America.
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#157 | transcience | Posted 12/6/2011 11:33:30 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/show_graph.php?matchnum=4559&type=1&seconds=900&max=0

what's up with that random 3am spike
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#158 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 12/6/2011 11:33:51 AM | message detail
junk_funk posted...
I equate the Trainers strength to Charizard in 2010, and I think that's a wonderful comparison not only considering Charizard and Blastoise will be in the picture, but also that Charizard was able to finish 4% ahead of Bowser.

The Trainers have that kind of strength. Considering Bowser could beat Ryu/Dante/Sora any old day (with around 55-56%), I'll go with Trainers too.

Unless Charizard isn't in the match pic. Then it turns into a toss up that could go either way.


55-56%? That's Noble Nine level. There isn't much difference between Ryu and Bowser these days (their 2005 match notwithstanding). As a matter of fact, I'd take Ryu over Bowser in a close match now that SF4 and SSF4 have come out, combined with Bowser's general suckiness lately.
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#159 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 12/6/2011 11:34:04 AM | message detail
Last character battle I took Sora > Mario!

LOL

Wait, people actually thought this would happen? How?
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#160 | charmander6000 | Posted 12/6/2011 11:36:51 AM | message detail
Surprise KH3 announcement.
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#161 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/6/2011 11:37:43 AM | message detail
Still wouldn't tip the scale!
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#162 | Sorozone | Posted 12/6/2011 11:41:02 AM | message detail
Glad to see all these people picking trainers in the battle, it'll be moving day for me once the fighters win.
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#163 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2011 11:42:21 AM | message detail
Ninjas teasing to win an hour again!
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#164 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/6/2011 11:43:20 AM | message detail
Glad to see all these people picking trainers in the battle, it'll be moving day for me once the fighters win.

It'll also be moving day when Red/Blue wins. =D
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#165 | CP724 | Posted 12/6/2011 12:35:28 PM | message detail
If ninjas won this they probably would've picked up a bandwagon for next round, oh well.
#166 | CP724 | Posted 12/6/2011 12:37:18 PM | message detail
Not that it would have mattered against mario, but yeah.
#167 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/6/2011 12:43:39 PM | message detail
Why does everyone keep saying Rivalry Factor isn't that big a deal when everyone is picking the guy who went even with Revolver F***ing Ocelot to outdo Ryu?
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#168 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 12/6/2011 12:45:11 PM | message detail
Everyone's saying the rivalry factor is a big deal, but they're forgetting that it applies to both competitors. Ryu/Ken is one of the best rivalries in the bracket. Red/Blue, not so much.
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#169 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2011 12:46:45 PM | message detail | (edited)
X/Zero have gained less than 300 votes on their lead in the last 8 hours.

Pretty impressive stalling for Sub/Scorp here.
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#170 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/6/2011 12:47:08 PM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Why does everyone keep saying Rivalry Factor isn't that big a deal when everyone is picking the guy who went even with Revolver F***ing Ocelot to outdo Ryu?

Pokefans are blindly loyal to their franchise.
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#171 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 12/6/2011 12:51:09 PM | message detail

From: Wii_TuRtLe | #168
Everyone's saying the rivalry factor is a big deal, but they're forgetting that it applies to both competitors. Ryu/Ken is one of the best rivalries in the bracket. Red/Blue, not so much.


How do you come to that conclusion?

Are you saying it's a bad rivalry in game? Because for a whole generation, that is one of the definining rivalries in history. Since this contest started, I've asked a few friends from my age group (who aren't big videogame nerds like me) what their go to "rivalry" in videogames as a kid was, and they overwhelmingly picked the trainers. Now, they probably are and were more casual than most of GameFAQs, but Pokemon infiltrated everything in those years and the point remains.

Are you saying it's a bad rivalry in terms of boosting strength? Because that seems very unlikely.
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#172 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/6/2011 12:57:10 PM | message detail
Valle vs Daigo is more of a rivalry than Ryu vs Ken.
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#173 | tennisboy213 | Posted 12/6/2011 12:59:16 PM | message detail
I wouldn't say it's rivalry factor as much as it's the fact that this contest is more like a games/series contest than a character battle.
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#174 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/6/2011 12:59:46 PM | message detail
Everyone's saying the rivalry factor is a big deal, but they're forgetting that it applies to both competitors. Ryu/Ken is one of the best rivalries in the bracket. Red/Blue, not so much.

Do you believe Ryu would get a higher percentage on Red than Ryu/Ken will get on Red/Blue?
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#175 | GranzonEx | Posted 12/6/2011 1:01:30 PM | message detail

From: tennisboy213 | #173
I wouldn't say it's rivalry factor as much as it's the fact that this contest is more like a games/series contest than a character battle.


This for the most part. But MMX would double MK here.
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#176 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 12/6/2011 1:04:03 PM | message detail
It's probably worth pointing out that the stats topic likely has a different age demographic from the site as a whole. The site as a whole splits, as of 3rd Sep, like so:

40% under 21
36% between 21 and 25
24% over 25

I'd expect Pokemon would do much better in the 40% group than in the 24% group.
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#177 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/6/2011 1:12:57 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: TRE Public Account | #174
Everyone's saying the rivalry factor is a big deal, but they're forgetting that it applies to both competitors. Ryu/Ken is one of the best rivalries in the bracket. Red/Blue, not so much.

Do you believe Ryu would get a higher percentage on Red than Ryu/Ken will get on Red/Blue?


Red/Blue is definitely stronger as a duo, but at the same time I'm watching the guy who got over 60% on Red and his strong rival barely beating two fighters in a weaker series.

I can understand picking Red/Blue winning if you think their rivalry is huge enough, but basing it purely on PokePower is pure bulls*** when we've already seen it fail Red in the previous character contest.

Edit: To clarify, it's safe to say most of GameFAQs is familiar with RBY, and thus may find Red/Blue more memorable a rivalry than the duo in Street Fighter, another iconic rivalry though on a less popular franchise here.

If this was, say, Red/Giovanni, obviously they would lose. Thus the rivalry is much more important here than the mere fact that they're characters from Pokemon. That they're a rivalry from Pokemon is the important point, and even if it was something dumb like Red/Giovanni they still would've made it this far because of f***ing Waluigi, but if this was simply a four-way between the four characters, I'd easily take Ryu over Red.

I'm just saying that if Red/Blue win, it's proof positive that Rivalry is a huge component to this contest, which sounds obvious (even though I went the opposite when making my bracket) yet I still see people saying otherwise.
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#178 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/6/2011 1:14:04 PM | message detail
I'm not disputing the fact that Red/Blue has a lot of ground to make up with rivalry factor to catch up to Ryu/Ken. My issue was more with that opinion that Ryu/Ken will benefit more from rivalry factor than Red/Blue. If this is true, Red/Blue are going to get killed out there tommorow and I really doubt that will happen.
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#179 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/6/2011 1:18:48 PM | message detail

From: TRE Public Account | #178
I'm not disputing the fact that Red/Blue has a lot of ground to make up with rivalry factor to catch up to Ryu/Ken. My issue was more with that opinion that Ryu/Ken will benefit more from rivalry factor than Red/Blue. If this is true, Red/Blue are going to get killed out there tommorow and I really doubt that will happen.


I do think Red/Blue have more to gain from their rivalry just because their game has much more exposure on GameFAQs than Ryu/Ken's series.

Of course, whether it's enough to overcome the gain Ryu/Ken also get plus whatever gap naturally separates Ryu from Red, I kinda doubt. While Pokemon can do some crazy things, people also have a tendency to overestimate it quite a bit, and even in the most lop-sided pics the stronger characters still won, even if by hilariously close margins.
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#180 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/6/2011 1:21:05 PM | message detail
#181 | abdou | Posted 12/6/2011 1:23:44 PM | message detail
Comparing Red alone as a character from normal character battle contest to Red/Blue in the context of this contest is pointless.
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#182 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/6/2011 1:24:09 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3795
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I imagine he would.
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#183 | Surskit | Posted 12/6/2011 1:28:27 PM | message detail
I think people are putting too much stock on Red and not enough on Blue. Why do we assume Red is stronger than Blue? I'd say Blue is much, much stronger than Red. He's probably the strongest human character. He's hugely respected by the Pokémon fanbase, and casuals love him because of the nostalgia he induces. In that sense, he's a lot more similar to, say, Mewtwo than he is to Red. I'd take Blue to beat Ken comfortably, and he could give Ryu a decent fight.
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#184 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2011 1:28:47 PM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #180
Does Red even beat Ken in a 1v1?


Does Ocelot beat Wesker?
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#185 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/6/2011 1:30:52 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: Surskit | #183
I think people are putting too much stock on Red and not enough on Blue. Why do we assume Red is stronger than Blue? I'd say Blue is much, much stronger than Red. He's probably the strongest human character. He's hugely respected by the Pokémon fanbase, and casuals love him because of the nostalgia he induces. In that sense, he's a lot more similar to, say, Mewtwo than he is to Red. I'd take Blue to beat Ken comfortably, and he could give Ryu a decent fight.



This man knows what's up. Even going off the anime, Gary is much more popular than Ash imo.
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#186 | transcience | Posted 12/6/2011 1:32:18 PM | message detail
argh Wylvane stop talking you're making me feel awful about picking two weak characters over Ryu and Ken
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#187 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2011 1:33:13 PM | message detail
#188 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/6/2011 1:34:33 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #187
Sounds like Magus > Crono talk when you talk about Blue > Red like that.


Maybe.

I mean I might not go as far as he said with "Blue is much stronger", but are they in the same league? Maybe.
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#189 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/6/2011 1:35:10 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't buy Blue being stronger. The only way a side character is gonna be more popular than the main is if the main is really bad, like Tidus. Otherwise, give me the main anyday.
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#190 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/6/2011 1:35:53 PM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #185
This man knows what's up. Even going off the anime, Gary is much more popular than Ash imo.


That's because Gary is competent while Ash is a complete and utter failure at everything he does.

The best episode was when Charizard took a nap during a Pokemon League match and Ash looked like a f***ing idiot while the entire world watched him fail.
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#191 | Surskit | Posted 12/6/2011 1:36:36 PM | message detail
I think Red beats Blue in a 1v1 match. But Blue would do better anywhere else. He has a bigger casual draw than Red, especially if Red doesn't have his classic art or sprites.
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#192 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/6/2011 1:37:21 PM | message detail
This was brought up before, but did Rd's picture hurt him in the Character Battle? He exclusively got SSBB pictures instead of RBY pictures and I remember someone here asking if they were even the same character. It's possible Red suffered from a mild case of ZSS Syndrome.
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#193 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/6/2011 1:40:20 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: Surskit | #191
I think Red beats Blue in a 1v1 match. But Blue would do better anywhere else. He has a bigger casual draw than Red, especially if Red doesn't have his classic art or sprites.


I don't think Blue has a bigger casual draw. It wasn't Blue's character design in SSBB. I don't think the amount of people who prefer Gary to Ash would make up for that.
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#194 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/6/2011 1:41:09 PM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #190
That's because Gary is competent while Ash is a complete and utter failure at everything he does.

The best episode was when Charizard took a nap during a Pokemon League match and Ash looked like a f***ing idiot while the entire world watched him fail.


Best episode in the history of the anime is DP188, actually.

If we're going with early episodes, that's a pretty hilarious one.
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#195 | Surskit | Posted 12/6/2011 1:44:40 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: XIII_rocks | #193
I don't think Blue has a bigger casual draw. It wasn't Blue's character design in SSBB. I don't think the amount of people who prefer Gary to Ash would make up for that.


The amount of people who know Red as Red are minimal. The amount of people who recognize Red's sprite or classic art are a lot more. I think they are very pic-dependent. Red has newer, updated art from FRLG or SSBB. Blue doesn't (he barely got redesigned, whereas Red's appearance is vastly different, probably in an attempt to set him apart from Ash). Blue has the nostalgia advantage, and thus would perform better in most cases (imo). When you see an updated Red art, you think "oh, a Pokémon Trainer". When you see the old one, you think the guy you played as in RBY.
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#196 | XIII_rocks | Posted 12/6/2011 1:46:22 PM | message detail
Maybe. I think that's pretty roundabout logic though.
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#197 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2011 1:47:52 PM | message detail
Do you play as Red in Blue?
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#198 | TRE Public Account | Posted 12/6/2011 1:49:01 PM | message detail
In Pokemon Blue you still play as Red but (one of) his default names is Blue. Officially he's Red, though.
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#199 | LeonhartFour | Posted 12/6/2011 1:49:29 PM | message detail
#200 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 12/6/2011 1:50:37 PM | message detail
Is your rival called Red in Blue?

I'm starting to think both of these guys are essentially just the same strength if they're clones of one another
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