GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1029
Still can't believe that Mario/Sonic is 70-30.Okay I know Sonic is probably the weakest N9 member but still... --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
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Sonic > Crono --- c |
Final Fantasy VIII would beat any KH or MGS except maybe 1. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
How strong is MGS1 exactly? --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
I
think some people consider it to be a top 10 game, though if anyone
remembers the second games contest we had like 20 "top 10 games" I think people find FFX vs MGS to be debatable. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 57/64 Today: Mario/Bowser |
The Real Truth posted... What's Moltar's email? E-mail - mastermoltar@gmail.com It's on the first post of every "Rivalry Rumble Contest Analysis Crew" topic --- Link's is pretty much the video game equivalent of the Jesus story. -- Yoblaser |
FFX and MGS is debatable, yeah. Both are probably borderline top 10, or a bit below that. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
OoT FF7 LttP RBY Mario64 Mario3 CT MGS MGS4 FFX SMW SSBB SSBM RE4 TP MM Obviously in no specific order would be my assumed top 16. Anyone feel like ordering them? --- Be my guest. |
The
amount of room for debate (beyond OoT > FFVII > all) in that list
is what makes me want a 1v1, no divisions by era, 128 entrant games
contest. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
From: Kotetsu534 | #109 That would be amazing, but it won't happen. Because we get crappy contests instead --- http://i42.tinypic.com/11jol1t.gif Oracle Challenge ~ Rank: 15th ~Today's prediction: Mario/Bowser - 65.78% |
From: transcience | #098 If it makes you feel better, and it obviously probably makes you feel worse, I agree with this completely. That being said I feel a lot less confident in Sora > Squall than I would if Dante squeaked out the win yesterday cause Squall could (r)SFF Sora rendering it moot. I do think Sora's rivalry is the stronger one in this format though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
pjbasis posted... Final Fantasy VIII would beat any KH or MGS except maybe 1. MGS1 already beat FFVIII to a pulp. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
I think we have a fairly non-controversial top 8, if not on the order then at least in what games it consists of: OoT, FFVII, RBY, LttP, SM64, CT, SMW, and SMB3. Maybe you could argue something outside of that beats Chrono Trigger, I guess? Eh. Nothing in Game of the Decade really seemed above the pack so I don't really want to put any of them in a top 10. Brawl/FFX/Majora/Melee were all rather close together. Maybe FFX post-HD remake can manage something, though. Other strong games...uh. Goldeneye, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy VIII, and Super Mario Bros.? Might be reaching a little on that last one but I'd give it a shot against these others. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
I'd take FFVI over VIII and X, easily. Or at least, I think the FF and Zeldas that are close to each other would be: FFVII/OoT, FFVI/ALttP, FFX/MM, FFVIII/TP. --- *huggles* |
By
the earliest point at which we could have a games contest, three years
will have passed since Games '09, which is enough time for strengths to
change. And since that was a fourway contest with SFF/LFF all over the
place, you can argue anything you want on the back of it. That's not to
mention how the GOTD crew would stack up against the old guard -
certainly, the stats crew would expect them to get roundly hosed, but
that's not guaranteed - or the wildcard factor of the "newest" games -
y'know, ME2, ME3, Skyrim, Skyward Sword, SMG2 etc. After GSC failed to
show up against MM, there's certainly some doubt as to how RBY would
handle the switch up to 1v1. Would it be the solid #3 it appeared in
'09? --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
FFVI didn't exactly look impressive in the last contest, it might take VIII, but not X. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 57/64 Today: Mario/Bowser |
I'd take FFVI over VIII and X, easily. *resists urge to explain why he'd take X > VIII and VI, easily* --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
I think SSBM > SM64 to be honest. |
SM64 almost took out LttP, I don't see Melee doing that --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 57/64 Today: Mario/Bowser |
I would honestly take 4 over 6 at this point. And neither are top 20 games imo. --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
Kefka
and Terra have looked better as of late. This is attributed to
Dissidia, but it is also possible that part of it was due to FF3 getting
a bit stronger again. It could even be due to Dissidia getting people
to go back and play FF3. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
GranzonEx posted... I would honestly take 4 over 6 at this point. And neither are top 20 games imo. After what Terra and Kefka did, I would take 6 over 4... but yeah neither are top 20 games. --- Link's is pretty much the video game equivalent of the Jesus story. -- Yoblaser |
foxhead84 posted... GranzonEx posted... I would honestly take 4 over 6 at this point. And neither are top 20 games imo. After what Terra and Kefka did, I would take 6 over 4... but yeah neither are top 20 games. Nothing 4 has ever done makes me think it would get within 10% of FF6 straight up. And 6 is top 15, if not top 10 still. --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
From: Karma Hunter | #112 LOL 4 ways, etc, though I did say "sans 1" anyway. From: Kotetsu534 | #117 *resists urge to explain why he'd take VIII > VI easily and VIII > X with moderate deliberation* --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
X > VIII, there shouldn't be any doubt about that. VI is kind of a wild card, though. |
Why are you people resisting these urges? This topic exists so you can give in to them. --- Sillies. |
FF6
vs FF8 is a tough one. Back before the 2009 contest, I presumed VIII
would be stronger and thought I called that correctly after the contest.
Now, I'm not so sure. With all the anti-voting new FF gets, VI can
split the actual FF fanbase and get enough old school Nintendo support
to win. Wouldn't surprise me. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Sonic is going to look extremely bad if Mario manages to come into contact with Link again this contest. --- :> |
speaking about FF VI... I know 7,8 and 9 have been release on the PSN. Will 6 be release? Any chance of that happening? It would give the boost Kefka need in order to finally win something relevant. --- Link's is pretty much the video game equivalent of the Jesus story. -- Yoblaser |
My ordering of Ngirl's Top 16 games 1. OoT 2. FF7 3. RBY(mainly a result of the site getting younger(18-24 main ages of people on this site), more nostalgia for this over LttP) 4. Lttp 5. Super Smash Bros.!!!!(never been tested in a contest setting. I honestly think the game would be one of the biggest suprise beasts. "Super Smash Bros. would have been a 12 seed in the Best Game Ever II Contest in 2009, but it replaced by Suikoden after Board 8 recommended the swap in an Add-Remove topic." What a joke. When people wax nostaglically about the N64, what game most often comes to their mind? Is is OOT? No its most likely the hours they spent playing the original Super Smash Bros. with their friends! The game comes from the most nostalgic periods for board 8ers, being released in 1999, the peak of the N64's strongest period. 6. Mario 64(imo weaker than the original smash.) 7. CT 8. LoZ: MM 9. Super Mario World 10. Mario 3 11. LoZ: TP 12: SSBM 13. Final Fantasy X 14. SSBB 15. RE4 16. Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword(too early for the game to have made an impact yet, but still its been critically reviewed well, and its a Zelda game) MGS and MGS4 would be like top 25(low 20s most likely) --- MMM... cookies |
speaking about FF VI... I know 7,8 and 9 have been release on the PSN. Will 6 be release? Any chance of that happening? It would give the boost Kefka need in order to finally win something relevant. Yes, it's getting released on PSN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VI#PlayStation_Network Final Fantasy VI was released as a PSOne Classic in Japan on April 20, 2011, and in PAL territories on June 2, 2011.[60] It will be released in North America on December 6, 2011.[4] ...Tomorrow, if wikipedia is to be believed. That's kind of spooky. It also got released on Wii Virtual Console earlier this year. Original Super Smash Bros.? It could be pretty strong, but #5? Not buying that in a million years and would be very shocked if it beat Melee. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #058 And I'm saying that's very presumptive based solely on Mario/Samus 2005 and it's a bit shortsighted, acting like nothing ever changes within the same fanbase ever. but the size of the boosts wasn't so huge as to suddenly make a 60/40 out of a 50/50. Are you trying to say there was no SFF in Mario/Samus or something? Because the Mario Boost would've essentially made a 50/50-ish match out of a 55/45 match, and Mario got SFF on top of that. That's not an unrealistic boost by any means. Recall Yoshi's final match against Mega Man that year. Luigi also still lost easily to Tifa, who then lost easily to Sonic. Heck, Mario's win over Snake was identical to what Mega Man did against Snake in 2004. Same percentage and everything. 40% on 2005 Sonic (which Luigi got the very next year on Sonic, for the record) is better than 40% on 2003 Squall, as is the 47% he got on Tifa. 2005 Snake is also stronger than 2004 Snake by a decent margin as well. Mega Man would not have gone 57/43 on Snake in 2005. Mega Man/Yoshi can be attributed to SFF (and a ridiculously imbalanced pic in Mega Man's factor) if we can attribute Mega Man getting whipped by Link and Mario to SFF. Not sure why Mega Man is only the victim of it and not the beneficiary of it when it comes to Nintendo. From: PartOfYourWorld | #059 I feel like you're looking at this idea of "luck" differently than I am. I've already said in the past that most matches require no luck and only logic based on previous results. I'd wager most of us predict at least 4/5 of contest matches correctly, but what's the difference in that 1 we do get wrong? Like I said, if you're wagering on Rivalry Factor mattering in this contest, you're hoping to get a little lucky because what if rivalries don't matter? Sure, you made a calculated risk, but you could still be wrong because we have zero data to go on to say it matters. If you predict a huge boost based on some factor like a new game, you're still needing to get a little lucky because there's no way to measure how much a new release will boost a character. It's a calculated risk because it's logical to assume a big new game boosts a character, but you're still betting a lot on how much because there's no way of knowing. And that's luck. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
128
games with no gimmicks would be the best contest, but Allen is addicted
to dumb gimmicks every year. Some of them work by sheer luck (Game of
the Decade, the 12 hour voting format), some don't. This one is definitely "didn't work" territory. We're seriously going to have a full battle leaderboard of perfect brackets. --- You've got me wondering why I like it rough. Is it because you don't mean it, or because I don't feel it? |
predict this fourpack: Sonic vs. Robotnik Squall vs. Seifer Ryu vs. Ken Mega Man vs. Dr. Wily --- http://i42.tinypic.com/11jol1t.gif Oracle Challenge ~ Rank: 15th ~Today's prediction: Mario/Bowser - 65.78% |
G/S/C
> Majora's Mask wasn't fanboyism. It was based on a direct match.
How can anyone say otherwise with a straight face? I took G/S/C and MM
is my favorite game of all time. Taking G/S/C to the semifinals was
definitely not a fanboy pick. Saying "Well, the 2009 match was weird" isn't logic unless you can give a reason why that makes sense (Note: Saying that MGS SFFd MM more than a Pokemon game SFFd another one does not make sense.) Most contests are decided based on logic, not luck. Getting lucky with an upset in a late round* doesn't matter if logic hadn't allowed you to call matches like Ninjas > Leon/Ada earlier in the contest. Very few matches are not foreseeable based on previous results, and the chances of those matches happening late in the contest is even lower. 2003, 2007, and Fall 2010 are rare exceptions. *Correctly predicting a rally isn't even luck, IMO. Link > Snake was luck if the person thought that Snake was straight up more popular than Cloud or if they thought Vincent would be there dragging him down, but if they predicted it because they thought Snake would boost from the round before, then that's not luck, because they correctly predicted what would actually happen. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
From: Karma Hunter | #112 An Ulti-style beating anyway, since it was like 54/46 based on that match. A solid victory (no pun intended ho ho ho) for sure, but it wasn't that lopsided. It kind of surprises me that people seem to think more of FFVIII's strength than I do though! I would never take VIII over VI or X. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
From: LOLContests | #136 That's still a bit of luck, in my opinion, because you're still betting on something happening that you have no realistic way of predicting will happen. You still have to get a bit lucky to call a mid-contest boost, regardless of the cause. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
From: LOLContests | #136 Wait, what? Crono was dragging down Cloud exactly like Vincent would have. Probably more because Vincent would have gotten even less votes. |
logic gets you a decent bracket, luck gets you a winning bracket. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 57/64 Today: Mario/Bowser |
Then Crono would've dragged Cloud down worse than Vincent because Vincent would be leeching fewer overall votes. I don't think Crono LFF'd Cloud though. There hasn't been much evidence that FFVII and CT have disproportionate overlap, and it's not like there haven't been opportunities. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
Cloud vs Link was disproportionate, though, not just Snake compared to everyone else. I don't see how there wasn't LFF. |
Leon,
the SFF is directly tied to Mario and Samus; it would have been a huge
part of any Mario/Samus match in any given year. It's part of the reason
WHY the boost wouldn't have changed the result in the first place and
why the Mario supporters decided to side with him. I'm not even sure
what we're going on about here. I'm saying that the idea that luck may have "saved" the Mario supporters is unrealistic, and it serves to lessen the credit earned by people who made a smart risk. Mario would have taken that match in any year. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
logic gets you a decent bracket, luck gets you a winning bracket. But those winning brackets come out of a pool of decent brackets, which you can't have without logic. Luck might sometimes determine who gets 1st and 2nd, but to even get to that level you need logic. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
As
for Mario/Samus there's no doubt that Samus was stronger in 2004, you
can call rSFF, but we have yet to see another example and even if it
does exist there's still no doubt that Samus was stronger indirectly. In 2005 based on Ganondorf and Zero I think we can all agree that Mario was at least just as strong as Samus --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 57/64 Today: Mario/Bowser |
But I think it's a bit presumptuous to act like the SFF falls the same way every year no matter what. I don't recall Aerith doubling Sora in 2007. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
All
Leon's saying as that Mario might not have beaten Samus in 2004. He
didn't even say it was a high probability that Samus would win, just
that Mario pickers might have possibly been saved by luck. I don't think
that's an unfair statement, though I don't think it serves as a very
good example. |
From: LOLContests | #136 As someone who isn't a slave to LOL x-stats and actually won one of these, I can comfortably say this mentality is laughable. If your goal is getting in the 99th percentile without ever winning, then yeah contests come down to logic. If you want to win, you need to pick a good upset and run with it. The entire stats topic laughed when I said Melee would win D128, and I laughed at them in return all the way through playing my free games. The only contests you can actually win that way are the worst of the worst of the worst where you aren't going to see many upsets (summer 2004, this one, series, villains), and even summer 2004/series/villains had SOMETHING worth looking at. Unless the Trainers make a deep run, this contest has nothing whatsoever worth talking about and won't in any way prove that winning contests comes down to anything but sheer luck. If anything, Board 8 being a hivemind reduces everyone's chances of winning because everyone picks the same stuff. --- > Osama bin Laden has been killed Stupid sod. He shouldn't have used his real address on the Playstation Network. -KWall717 |
From: LOLContests | #144 This very topic has more than one person who backhands this awful awful logic. Hell even the Gamespot contests prove it wrong. Has Yesmar ever actually won a prize with this wonderful logic strategy of his? I'm too lazy to check all the leaderboards, but I'm guessing no. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· "I'm beta and an Ulti stalker." -VincentLauw |
From: UltimaterializerX | #148 Hey, I picked Melee to win Division 128, and you know my fanboyism for FFX knows no bounds! (Of course, I also had Kingdom Hearts > Metroid Prime in the upper half and I had Mario 3 winning the whole contest, so my bad predictions outweighed that good prediction!) --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
