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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1027
Putting Squall and Snake equal like that actually looks pretty reasonable. Squall only loses by a little I say. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
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not a great show here by Squall. curious to see if Sora can top him next round. LOL 4-ways and all, but if Sora can't even top Squall with Cloud also in the poll, I don't see what prayer he has in a direct matchup, even if the format's slightly different. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
better rivalry, for one. Seifer hasn't made a contest in 9 tries for a reason. --- xyzzy |
Sora isn't even beating Dante. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
transience posted... better rivalry, for one. Seifer hasn't made a contest in 9 tries for a reason. Can never understand why Seifer isn't more popular. Seems a decent-ish antagonist and has entertaining henchmen plus gets actual development. --- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time |
"I AM THE SORCERESS' ROMANTIC KNIGHT!!!!!!" --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
Though he should score some points for ripping on Zell all game --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
Actually I won't be here all day so I'll just say my peace and leave. 1. I think that Sora/Riku is going to be slightly weaker than just Sora. It's not a particularly good rivalry, and I feel like putting two of them together will only make them a bigger target for anti-votes. They're a product of the belts-and-zippers era that people are starting to hate. As people start to get more frustrated with Square, they're going to like Sora less. 2. Dante/Vergil is one of the best rivalries in the bracket. We already saw with Phoenix Wright that, even if not many people haven't played your game, that helps. 3. Kingdom Hearts is dying. The 3rd one isn't even close to being announced. No one cares about the spinoffs. 4. Looking at it, Sora is a 4-way wonder, and it makes sense. We saw Master Chief going even with Kirby and Big Boss and Dante. Then we put him in 1 v 1s and he loses handily to Ryu Hayabusa. Sora is the same way. His 4-way results are extremely misleading; he's going to be the guy from 2010, not 2008, and he'll likely be a little weaker due to not getting anything since then. 5. No one likes Sora. Hitler doesn't get 40% on Dante. I think that sort of thing hurts in this format - it's part of why big name western characters are flopping. No one really CARES about them. 6. Dante and Vergil have recency with UMVC3. It isn't big, but it's more than anything Sora has, and it seemed to help Wright regardless. 7. And by far the most important thing - DANTE IS A MATCH PIC CHARACTER. Every one of Dante's poor showings throughout contest history has been with a poor pic. Sonic in 2k4? Viewtiful Joe sprite. Yoshi? DMC2. Pikachu? Zoomed-out-blurry piece of ass. Ryu? DMC2. Ryu? DMC2. Dante is an appeal character, and when he doesn't get a good pic, it's going to hurt him. His pic for this match rocks, and Sora looks like Sora. Game, set, jackpot. I'll be putting it all on Dante. If it doesn't pan through...then this contest is so predictable that we probably have 50 people competing for the money by the end of it, and I won't win anyway. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Dante/Vergil
may be a good rivalry, but I never see anyone talking about it as one
of the reasons to play DMC. On the other hand I do see people acting
like Sora/Riku is one of the appeals behind Kingdom Hearts. If anyone
benefits from a rivalry factor I would bet that it would be the latter. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
every
one of Dante's bad matches have been against a character of similar
strength. that fits Sora. also, the rivalry with Vergil doesn't really
matter because no one really plays DMC. this is a character whose most
liked game can't double Mother 3. --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
I have never seen a single person in my entire life consider Sora/Riku one of the appeals behind Kingdom Hearts. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
People said the same thing about Phoenix Wright and he won his match very easily. It's not a huge advantage, but it's there. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
are you comparing Dante to Phoenix Wright? those are apples and oranges. --- xyzzy |
unless you're claiming some kind of UMVC3 boost between rounds which seems totally crazy to me. --- xyzzy |
Uh,
I'm saying that rivalries matter and Dante/Vergil is an amazing
rivalry. 'Not many people have played their game' is true, but not many
people have played PW and it definitely helped him. It's not hard to
understand. every one of Dante's bad matches have been against a character of similar strength. that fits Sora. And every time Dante as had a good pic and gone up against a character with strength, he's done fine. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Then
again you apparently think Sora can beat Squall so maybe you rate him
higher than I do. There's absolutely no way Sora comes anywhere close to
Squall. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Sora and Riku is a decent rivalry, what are you talking about? --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 53/60 Today: Squall/Seifer |
Sora's not far behind Squall and Riku seems pretty far above Seifer. makes sense to me. (though really, I just picked it because I wanted to be at least kind of unique.) --- xyzzy |
Sora
lost to Squall a bunch of times in circumstances that heavily benefited
him. Riku isn't even a factor, honestly. He's not strong enough and his
rivalry doesn't bring enough for him to. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3806 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4538 --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
(Also,
Dante just straight up beats Sora these days. We're still in 4-way mode
with the kid, but every 2008 result he had was terrible) --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I would take Bowser to defeat Dante by more than what he did to Sora in 2010 --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 53/60 Today: Squall/Seifer |
ShatteredElysium posted... transience posted... better rivalry, for one. Seifer hasn't made a contest in 9 tries for a reason. Can never understand why Seifer isn't more popular. Seems a decent-ish antagonist and has entertaining henchmen plus gets actual development. From what I remember Seifer didn't do much of anything drastic, and after the ghost sorceress stop possessing the orphanage operator/teacher he's isn't involve in the game anymore. I felt he was over emphasized by square considering how little he does affects the plot. --- If you read this signature, then you have wasted your time. (:H --- Capt. Bullet, my mascot. |playing: Dragon Age, Borderlands |
From: KamikazePotato | #220 Sora, you mean? His 2008 results were all pretty good, unless you actually want to take that Cloud/Mewtwo/Squall/Sora match to mean anything. I think you're giving Dante too much credit anyway. Sora/Dante 1-on-1 in a 24-hour match is close. Dante wins a 12-hour night match, but that doesn't really matter here. Sora does a LOT better in all of his matches if they're day matches or 24-hour matches in 2010, and we all know this. From: transience | #203 Red never made a contest until 2010, and this is Blue's first shot, too. Heck, Charizard didn't even get into the contest until the NRT rallied for him. Not really seeing what "hasn't made a contest" has to do with it! And in Red/Blue's case, there's definitely a sense of "I don't really care about these guys individually, but put them together and we have something." --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
From: Merc25 | #222 Seifer's involved in the game until the end of Disc 3. He doesn't have a lot of screen time after Disc 1, but the party talks about him quite a lot, and the fact that Squall and Seifer are big rivals is repeatedly emphasized throughout the game. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Also,
I just realized I'm going to miss all but the last couple hours of the
match tomorrow because I'm gonna be out of town. Oh well. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Meant 2010. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Red
never made a contest until 2010, and this is Blue's first shot, too.
Heck, Charizard didn't even get into the contest until the NRT rallied
for him. Not really seeing what "hasn't made a contest" has to do with it! And in Red/Blue's case, there's definitely a sense of "I don't really care about these guys individually, but put them together and we have something." Seifer didn't make a contest even with NRT support. Pokemon also has the excuse of having an absolutely huge number of characters causing nominations to be heavily divided. This doesn't mean Seifer can't be strong but it's not exactly a point in his favour. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
I've
not trusted Seifer for reasons similar to what TRE brought up. It's
not just that we haven't seen Seifer after nine and a half years of
contests -- we haven't ever seen any FF8-character other than Squall.
While his eligibility was in question, Seifer still missed the Villian
Contest. He later failed to make a contest after his first
NRT-opportunity; Diddy Kong, Nightmare, and Yoshimitsu are other
examples of characters who missed despite NRT-help...and no, today's
match doesn't suggest how Seifer compares to Nightmare. Neither Rinoa
nor Quistis made the Female Bracket while Celes, Kairi, and Marle could.
Zell was #2 in the old FF8-poll yet never seems to raise much interest
either... ...its cast has had opportunities yet has been completely absent from our contests in a way few games with real strength are. FF5/6/7/9/X have each had three or more characters in a contest (before this one), so FF8's one character between those remains suspect. I had always heard FF8 was about Squall more than the rest of the cast, anyway. Squall also may not be as strong when stuck to just his FF8-rivalry, considering he really found his stride here after KH hit. If we consider SSB-characters at a disadvantage for using feuds from only one series, Squall/Seifer's eligible here as well. Then again, I seem to underestimate Squall more often than not. He and Seifer have done well enough to maintain favorite-status so far, at least, and they did manage a one-seed...so let's see what they have next round. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
Seifer is up there with Barret for why the **** haven't they been in a contest yet. I can only imagine Laguna or Ultimecia with the Dissidia boost getting in from FFVIII. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png |
We've got a decent comparison. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Sora_vs_Laharl_2010 Squall gained 6% on that. Mid-Boss is a nothing, if Seifer is junk because he hasn't made a contest previously then I guess we're pretty close to Squall vs Laharl. X-stats put that difference at a ~59% victory for Squall; I'm really not seeing the grey area on this one. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
that
match has 20k more votes than Squall/Seifer v Laharl/Mid-Boss did, and
you're comparing a match in Squall's best time to one in Sora's worst
time not saying that'll give Sora the advantage or anything, but there are reasons to believe Sora will do much better than 59% --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
There's
very little to indicate Sora still isn't in the midst of his "worst
time". The match against Hitler doesn't tell anyone much of anything
about that; Dante will however. --- :> |
that's not what I meant Squall does better at night and Sora does better in the day, and those were both night matches --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
I didn't mean the comparison was analogous ... just decent, and enough to prove that Sora > Squall is a longshot. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
Sora/Squall
will have SFF, that's just how it is. I don't see how it matters when
the match takes place if Sora hasn't magically surpassed Squall on the
Square hierarchy. Squall didn't really look great today, but I'm not
sure how Sora will do much against him or keep it close. --- :> |
The gurus which pair have they picked? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
I
think Riku's pretty cool, and I think Sora/Riku is a great rivalry. I
think the Sora vs. Riku battles are pretty cool from the games, esp.... *MAJOR KH1 spoilers* . . . . . . . "It is I....Ansem, Seeker of Darkness!" (That's about the best thing about Ansem >_>) . . . . . . . *end spoilers* It would be awesome to see them beat Squall/Seifer, though I honestly think losing to Dante/Vergil is more likely. Still, as long as they haven't fallen even more since 2010, Sora should have tomorrow's match in the bag. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Yes, Ansem was much cooler before he was actually Ansem. --- :> |
Leon, are you comparing the Squall/Seifer rivalry to Red/Blue? that's worse than comparing Dante to Phoenix Wright. --- xyzzy |
Sora/Riku
can definitely do it. It's a pretty worthwhile upset that I probably
should have considered more. Seifer is a complete unknown, and it's not
at all unreasonable to assume Riku is stronger than him. Sora and Riku
also have two big games to grow their rivalry, each with (probably)
comparable strength to Squall and Seifer's one. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
transience posted... better rivalry, for one. Seifer hasn't made a contest in 9 tries for a reason. Disagree strongly. Squall/Seifer is one of the most legit rivalries in the bracket and fits the label better than almost any other team. No way Sora/Riku or Dante/Vergil threaten them at all. Really, really nervous about tomorrow. I'm holding on to Sora/Riku because Vergil is only in DMC3 so that's gotta hurt the pair a bit. I'd probably take Dante > Sora at this point though. Really considering banking, actually. --- Do not pray for easier lives. Pray to be stronger men. - John F. Kennedy |
I
believe that Squall will win the division no matter who the opponent
is.For tomorrow I guess it will be like Portal/CT battle and KH shall
win barely. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Sora/Riku
having a 'good rivalry' is an entertaining thought to have. If they get
by Dante/Vergil, they won't stand up to Squall/Seifer. --- "When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it." |
Feeling
pretty good about our first "upset" tonight. Never really got why
people flocked to Sora here but I think Dante should be able to pull
this off. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
I'm
not confident on this one, but I've liked Dante to win this since the
contest started. I'm not sure why I have Sora in my bracket; I think I
just forgot to change it as a result of apathy for the contest. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
And
I'm glad this boring stretch is finally over, and we can get on to
those interesting round 3 matches. Mario/Sonic, Red/Ryu, Link/MM,
Frog/Alucard, and Cloud/Snake all look very promising. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Out of all of those, only Red/Ryu looks interesting. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Too
much Sora/Riku vs. Squall/Seifer discussion here, since it's 50/50 that
match even happens! :) Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Dante won
easily. Unfortunately my battle bracket doesn't matter because I just realized somehow I picked Chell/Glados over Frog/Magus :( No idea how that happened. Such a dumb way to lose a perfect battle bracket - and it especially stings because it was my beloved Frog! I was even going to stick with Frog against the vampires. I was looking forward to deciding who to pick between Dante and Sora too :\ From: KamikazePotato | #10084. Looking at it, Sora is a 4-way wonder, and it makes sense. We saw Master Chief going even with Kirby and Big Boss and Dante. Then we put him in 1 v 1s and he loses handily to Ryu Hayabusa. Sora is the same way. His 4-way results are extremely misleading; he's going to be the guy from 2010, not 2008, and he'll likely be a little weaker due to not getting anything since then. Much of what you say makes sense (I'm actually surprised that most in the Oracle are sticking with Sora - I think Dante should be the slight favorite), but this is wrong. Master Chief's 4-way run was due to Halo 3 hype, and not 4-way boosting. I was always very skeptical of the theory that Chief was boosted by the format - him boosting due to hype made much more sense. And this was proven the next year, because in the same exact format he did much worse. He was in matches with Dante both times and went from being significantly stronger than Dante (55% and 61%) to 48% the next year. It wasn't a format thing. From: Merc25 | #1102 I agree. I actually really liked his notion of trying to become the evil sorceress's noble champion, it was a neat and unique idea - but he was underutilized. From: HaRRicH | #1108FF5/6/7/9/X have each had three or more characters in a contest (before this one), FF5 has had three characters? I didn't realize that. Who's the third other than Bartz and Gilgamesh? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
The guy in 2010 is good enough to beat Dante all things considered, I think. --- http://img.imgcake.com/Chris2pngas.png |
Go Dante. He'll probably lose. But I shall support the morally superior side. Which is any side without Sora. --- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/tiroalecjpgap.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpgyt.jpg |
