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#401 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 12:03:32 PM | message detail
Yeah that Fable match was pretty mediocre. Now this match was pretty interesting and generated lots of good discussion to boot!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3462
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#402 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 12:04:19 PM | message detail
Well, it was in the direct aftermath of Deus Ex fans complaining that their game wasn't winning by enough!

And 12-hour matches aren't as memorable to begin with, so whatever!
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#403 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/27/2011 12:04:26 PM | message detail
Looking forward to the bonus match being a repeat of this.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1750
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#404 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/27/2011 12:07:44 PM | message detail | (edited)
I mean, it's obviously better when two strong characters have a good match - Sonic/Crono 06 and Snake beating Sephiroth are my two favourite matches despite not being close in the end. They're worth more points so more is on the line, etc, I get it. But weak characters having close matches is still amazing fun.

It's more fun for the excitement of it, though. Not the discussion that you get from it but the F5ing for the next update. THAT is what you don't forget, THAT is a contest memory. Not "hmm, was there LFF in this match"
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#405 | foxhead84 | Posted 11/27/2011 12:05:37 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
He is pretty far out of reach if you want a decent chance of him losing. But all the 1% chance of losing talk is absurd. 10-20% sounds about right for a normal contest, whether you think that is too small is up to you.

Yeah after all 20% of the gurus does not have Link wining this contest (supposedly one of the most predictable ever)!!!
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#406 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 12:05:40 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #401
Yeah that Fable match was pretty mediocre. Now this match was pretty interesting and generated lots of good discussion to boot!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3462


Yes, because it was a completely unexpected result.

When Link produces a completely unexpected result, then we can talk.
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#407 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 12:05:41 PM | message detail
You know, Link probably can't get 88% on Ganondorf anymore because of the anti-voters. Darn it. Cloud better win this contest so we can avoid tarnishing the good legacy of Link/Ganon 2004.
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#408 | The Mana Sword | Posted 11/27/2011 12:05:45 PM | message detail
Samus/Crono/Vincent/Pikachu 2008 still the best match ever IMHO
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#409 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 12:07:00 PM | message detail
Squall/Luigi forever
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#410 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/27/2011 12:07:10 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #407
You know, Link probably can't get 88% on Ganondorf anymore because of the anti-voters. Darn it. Cloud better win this contest so we can avoid tarnishing the good legacy of Link/Ganon 2004.


Like anyone would anti-vote Link by voting for Ganondorf.

It's more likely people will bandwagon on Link just to try to make him hit 90%.
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#411 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 12:08:17 PM | message detail
But it'd be so much more fun to see if angry Link fans decide to anti-vote Cloud by voting for Sephiroth in the bonus match!
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#412 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 12:08:39 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #411
But it'd be so much more fun to see if angry Link fans decide to anti-vote Cloud by voting for Sephiroth in the bonus match!


Yeah, we already saw that in 2003.

I'll pass.
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#413 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/27/2011 12:11:11 PM | message detail
Of course, if we do have a rival vs rival bonus match, it just makes it even more depressing that Mario/Sonic didn't get in.

At least we'll finally get a pseudo-match between the two.
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#414 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 12:11:16 PM | message detail
Thanks Wylvane, I hadn't even considered the possibility of getting any real 1v1 matches this year. But now that you brought it up, I realized we have a good chance of not only getting 1 match, but getting a good match- Cloud vs. Sephiroth, for the first time 1v1 since 2004.
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#415 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 12:12:14 PM | message detail
Bonus match needs to be winner vs. Mario/Sonic

Cloud/Sephiroth wouldn't be a good match.
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#416 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 12:13:40 PM | message detail
We have so few good 1v1 matches these days that our standards are lowered. Seeing any Noble Niner 1v1 match honestly makes me pretty happy these days.
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#417 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 12:16:22 PM | message detail
Don't say "our" when you mean "your"
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#418 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/27/2011 12:44:31 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Bonus match needs to be winner vs. Mario/Sonic

Make it happen, SB.
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#419 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/27/2011 1:03:11 PM | message detail
Link just fired off a 91% update. Should finish over 83%. Might well not drop below 70% before the SFs.
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#420 | JJH777 | Posted 11/27/2011 1:04:58 PM | message detail
I think he's going to get at least 84% his U.S. percent is crazy. Though I guess Samus had a way higher U.S. percent and still didn't rise that much.
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#421 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/27/2011 1:27:42 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 3:12:14 PM | message detail
Bonus match needs to be winner vs. Mario/Sonic


We still need to come up with a solution for the 24-hour break between the last semifinal match and the final match of the contest. If we are going to do a bonus match, it would be best for us to do it during that 24-hour break so we can keep the casual voters interested in the contest while they wait for the final match. Also, we need something to keep them interested so vote totals don't suck in the final.

The only problem is doing a bonus match before the final would mean that we don't know the winner of the contest yet and I'm not sure if Bacon would give us a second bonus match for the same contest.
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#422 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 1:28:39 PM | message detail
The poll before the final match should be WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR IN THE FINALS?!
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#423 | foxhead84 | Posted 11/27/2011 1:46:29 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
The poll before the final match should be WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR IN THE FINALS?!

would be hilarious for Cloud to win this pool only to lose the next day for the real match =)
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#424 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 11/27/2011 1:47:07 PM | message detail
A third place match would be cool. I'd like to see what Trainers or Fighters(or Samus, but wouldn't be as interesting) can do to Cloud/Seph.
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#425 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 2:01:14 PM | message detail | (edited)
I believe the bonus should be the bad guy from the 1st rivalry vs the bad guy from the 2nd rivalry.So I guess either Bowser vs Ganondorf or Bowser vs Sephiroth.Either that OR what would you want for the next contest and what would you suggest for it to be better.The options for that should be provided by one guy from Board 8.
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#426 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/27/2011 2:00:15 PM | message detail
Jeez, over 83% and still skyrocketing. It might go to 84% at this rate.

At least Arthas doesn't look as bad now.
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#427 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/27/2011 2:02:39 PM | message detail | (edited)
I'd be cool with a Bowser/Ganon-match; that'd be a fairly close battle we've needed to see for years.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4317

This is the best poll we have with them both right now. It's enough in Ganon's favor to feel pretty safe, but I'd still enjoy seeing Bowser get a clean shot at being Nintendo's #1-villain.
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#428 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/27/2011 3:41:50 PM | message detail
There must be a bit of SFF going on here. Okami plays similar to a zelda, but damn I thought Ammy would hold up better.
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#429 | vcharon | Posted 11/27/2011 3:58:55 PM | message detail
Yeah.

When I came back home and checked, I expected to see Link at least fallen a little bit from when I left, instead he has risen... choked on kiwi fruit a bit.
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#430 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/27/2011 4:09:34 PM | message detail
At least Arthas doesn't look as bad now.

The final xstats will probably have Arthas tripling Vyse / Galatians or Sol / Ky. Then the whole top division will look like crap after Link finishes with Mario.
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#431 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 4:29:55 PM | message detail
That's a powerful day vote right there.
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#432 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 4:59:36 PM | message detail
#433 | creativename | Posted 11/27/2011 5:03:41 PM | message detail
Link is ****ing beasting here. I totally expected Link to beast on Arthas - but not on Ammy. Very impressive. 10% -15% chance of him losing sounds about right. He doesn't look beatable by Cloud/Sephiroth right now. But of course, as always, things can change.

Regarding a strong field being our best option - once again, accepting characters who've starred in games is the solution to this. If one of us (e.g. Ngamer) could make the bracket, we could have a stacked field of 64 characters. Nominations should be in play but not the end-all, be-all - nominations allow junk characters to get it. The bracket should be nomination influenced, but hand-picked.

And people talk about "Noble Nine". The X-Men and Star Wars alone would have a bunch of Noble Nine level or borderline NN level characters. And that's just two things for god's sake!

People simply fail to understand, that the majority of characters who would do well in this contests are disallowed. The 64th strongest disallowed fictional character would obliterate the 64th strongest video game character. Because the sheer DEPTH available when allowing fictional characters would be unreal.

In terms of "Noble Nine", there are a lot more than nine fictional characters who would be at that level of sheer strength. A lot more.

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#434 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/27/2011 5:08:09 PM | message detail
I will agree that the 64th strongest fictional character would beat the 64th strongest videogame character.

Though I'm not sure how many X-Men characters would be Noble Nine level.
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#435 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 5:09:27 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #433
The X-Men and Star Wars alone would have a bunch of Noble Nine level or borderline NN level characters.


X-Men would have potentially one. Nobody else other than Wolverine would be that strong. Forget Magneto, Gambit, or anyone else like that.

Now that I think about it, IGN (or some other similar site) had a "Baddest Character Contest," and Solid Snake won. And it was all-inclusive, so he ended up beating characters like Wolverine and Goku along the way, and he won most of those very, very easily. His closest match?

Naked Snake.

As much as I'd love to see someone like Batman or Jack Sparrow dominate a contest, I think you're overestimating how strong they would be, honestly. In the GameSpot Contest, there was a sizable contingent who strictly opposed having non-video game characters in a contest on a video game site. There's a sizable contingent on Board 8 alone who oppose having them in our contests, so they would exist in our contests as well.

Batman beating Link isn't as easy as you're making it out to be.
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#436 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/27/2011 5:12:52 PM | message detail
I think you guys are overrating fictional characters. GameFAQs is going to be biased towards video game characters.

Honestly besides Wolverine none of the X-Men are getting close to the noble nine.
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#437 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/27/2011 5:20:19 PM | message detail
Batman doesn't even break 43% on Link here.
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#438 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/27/2011 5:24:47 PM | message detail
As for our 64th strongest character in 2008 I calculated it as 2008 Kefka so that means someone as a low midcarder or around the fodderline. I personally have a hard time believing we'll have more than 32 fictional non-fodders.
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#439 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/27/2011 5:35:12 PM | message detail
I don't think we necessarily WOULD have more non-fodder fictional chars in a tournament.

I think they are out there though.
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#440 | creativename | Posted 11/27/2011 5:43:51 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #2155
X-Men would have potentially one. Nobody else other than Wolverine would be that strong. Forget Magneto, Gambit, or anyone else like that.


Magneto couldn't be borderline NN level? Come on.

From: LeonhartFour | #2155Now that I think about it, IGN (or some other similar site) had a "Baddest Character Contest,


Well that's beyond meaningless to GameFAqs and you should know that.

From: LeonhartFour | #2155or Jack Sparrow dominate a contest,


Jack Sparrow wouldn't be that strong.

From: LeonhartFour | #2155Batman beating Link isn't as easy as you're making it out to be.


Think you'd be surprised :o)
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#441 | The Real Truth | Posted 11/27/2011 5:44:41 PM | message detail
Well it's pretty safe to say Amaterasu is getting SFF'd here. Okami is basically a Zelda game.
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#442 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 5:45:06 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #440
Magneto couldn't be borderline NN level? Come on.


He could, but he wouldn't.

Think you'd be surprised :o)


I doubt it.
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#443 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/27/2011 5:47:13 PM | message detail
And the whole reason I brought up the IGN contest is the fact that video game sites will favor video game characters. It's just that simple.
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#444 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/27/2011 5:47:41 PM | message detail
Do we think Batman would be the strongest fictional here? Strong, definitely - not sure about Link-slayer. My guess is you'd need a strong personality to take down Link, via contrast, so maybe Han Solo?
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#445 | Sorozone | Posted 11/27/2011 5:47:47 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #440
Think you'd be surprised :o)


You'd be surprised on how wrong you are.
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#446 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/27/2011 5:49:37 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
video game sites will favor video game characters. It's just that simple.

Bingo. There'll be a "When in Rome"-effect.
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#447 | JJH777 | Posted 11/27/2011 5:49:56 PM | message detail
Sherlock Holmes would take down Link. He seems like someone who would be really popular on this site only problem might be that he doesn't really have any amazing games everything he has is mostly other mediums.
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#448 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/27/2011 5:50:38 PM | message detail
Even if they ever let fictional characters in, they'd be too antivoted to beat any NN level characters I'd imagine. Most people don't want fictional characters in a video game contest.
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#449 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/27/2011 5:53:14 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #440
Well that's beyond meaningless to GameFAqs and you should know that.


I don't think it decides their strength, but your whole argument is "these non-fictional characters would be way stronger because they have so much to draw on and are so popular to the general public" when we have seen that that is not true in multiple cases on multiple gaming websites.

This isn't to say that somebody like Batman or Vader wouldn't be really powerful on Gamefaqs, or even challenge Link, but you are really overconfident in your estimate of their strengths and your suggestions that this somehow solves Link's dominance.
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#450 | LOLContests | Posted 11/27/2011 5:56:57 PM | message detail
If we get fictional characters (which I support), then I support having a contest for just them, or splitting the bracket in half with original VG characters on one side.

A) Seeding would be a mess, since there's strong fictional characters like Ash Ketchum and Santa Claus who would get low seeds, since no one would think of them when they think of fictional characters from video games. A lot would depend on how the contest was worded.
B) If VG characters were a lot more popular, there would be a lot of anticlimactic and wasted matches. I care way more about seeing how non-VG characters compare to each other than they compare to who we have now. There's tons of non-VG characters to draw from. I don't see the point in just getting a handful of comic book/Star Wars guys in. It just eliminates a lot of potentially interesting matches and wildcards.
C) People might anti-vote someone like Ash, against a "real" VG character, further ruining matches.

In terms of depth, Star Wars might have a lot at Noble Nineish levels (Vader, Luke, Han Solo, Yoda), but I don't see any X-Men besides Wolverine. It think that belief shows a lot of tunnel vision on X-Men fans' part. A lot of people are not into comic books, and no one else from the series has close to the name recognition/iconic nature of Wolverine. This is all Noble Nine on a non-VG character scale, which I would personally place as slightly lower than our current one.

The Simpsons probably has a tremendous amount of depth as well, albeit more for midcarders. I would not be surprised if someone like Maggie or Santa's Little Helper could break the fodder line (in terms of Base Batman, or whatever the term would be for non-VG guys.) 10-20 characters from it could break the fodder line, IMO.
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