GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1024
It's nice to see Link lose at any point, tbqh. But yeah, it doesn't matter for much. He needs to be retired, badly. Losing twice in almost a decade is insanity. But that's just going over old ground, so... --- Oops! I'm breaking the fourth wall! http://imgon.net/di-CFMD.gif |
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Show
of hands: if Link loses this contest, would you honestly care? Looking
back at how many years of Link winning it took to get to this, the fact
that him losing that was either due to a bandwagon/fluke or pairing up
#2 and #3 on this site, looking forward in time and seeing nothing but
more Zelda titles to keep him strong, and that next year will be
business as usual assuming no strange format, would you honestly feel
anything over Link losing? Because I wouldn't. When the only way to beat Link is to change the format or hope for an L-Block, there's no tension, no fun to it. You can't argue or predict that. It's just praying and hoping for the best. Yes, I would care. It'd be tempered by how incredibly boring this contest has been so far, and by the fact that the site seems to be dying, but yes. It was possible to argue and predict that Link would lose this year because of the format. Perhaps not in normal formats, unless Square finally produces that FFVII remake anyway. Nothing wrong with hoping for the best though. Isn't that what we normally do? Cloud beating Link would give me great joy and hope. Samus beating Cloud would just make me think: "now Link really is invincible." So I would far prefer giving us more chances at the former. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Maybe you're happy with beating a dead horse until it shows a glimmer of life, but I'm not. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
But
what would taking Link out actually fix? That does not change the fact
that Link is still the strongest character. What is it worth to Cloud
fans for him to win a contest without Link? Almost nothing. It is
worth something to Nintendo fans for Mario or Samus to win such a
contest, but that would only hammer home "LINK IS INVINCIBLE!" in a way
that Link himself beating Cloud never could. <don't take too seriously>Also, I know this isn't of much comfort, but Legend of Zelda is only 2-3 in odd years. 7-1 in even years. We can't just retire Link while he has a losing record in odd years! And if he loses this one, then he'll be 2-4. At 1 contest per year, that means Link could not achieve a winning record in odd years until 2017 at the earliest, meaning the earliest he could be retired is the 2018 contest.</don't take too seriously> --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Yeah, Cloud still has a level of intrigue to him, and there's still this inkling that he could lose to someone other than Link. I'm curious the consensus on how many people would need to be retired before the winner is in doubt. Just Link? Link and Cloud? More than that? --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
Nobody cares if somebody winning a contest without Link means Link's still stronger. Nobody cared in 2005. Nobody cared in 2006. Nobody cares now. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
Like,
you seem to think the goal of these contests is "Find someone strong
enough to beat Link or just enjoy Link romping to yet another
championship." Or at the very least, that's the way you come across. That isn't the goal of these contests. There doesn't have to be "meaning" in Cloud winning a contest without Link. It only needs to be fun. And for most of us, Link isn't fun anymore. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
Of
course people care. How can you not? I wouldn't derive any
satisfaction from Crono winning a contest without Link, Cloud,
Sephiroth, Snake, Samus, and Mario. No, I'd still be demanding that
Mario/Crono rematch. Take away Link, and Cloud fans have nothing left
to cheer for. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Who are these Cloud fans demanding and cheering for another rematch with Link. --- peace comes from within |
Like,
you seem to think the goal of these contests is "Find someone strong
enough to beat Link or just enjoy Link romping to yet another
championship." Or at the very least, that's the way you come across. That isn't the goal of these contests. There doesn't have to be "meaning" in Cloud winning a contest without Link. It only needs to be fun. And for most of us, Link isn't fun anymore. If there's no meaning, there's no fun. But I guess we can differ on that. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I think this Link match has generated more discussion than any other R2 match sans Pokemon. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 posted... But what would taking Link out actually fix? That does not change the fact that Link is still the strongest character. What is it worth to Cloud fans for him to win a contest without Link? Almost nothing. It is worth something to Nintendo fans for Mario or Samus to win such a contest, but that would only hammer home "LINK IS INVINCIBLE!" in a way that Link himself beating Cloud never could. > But I don't care. The only strong character in these things that I actually like is Snake. Now Snake could win without Link, maybe, I guess, with a miracle, but that isn't why I want Link out. I want the winner to be in doubt. For the massive amount of points that the final is worth to actually mean something. It's not an issue of celebrating the glorious victory of my favourites...in fact, I dislike Cloud more than I do Link. But I'd still love to see him beat Link even despite that. |
It's
a discussion about the contests in general, and Link's place in them,
not so much this match. Not even about the contest currently going on! Needs more Ryu/Ken. --- peace comes from within |
HOLY CRAP, THEY'RE AT 83?! I checked early when they were at 81% and assumed they'd be dropping. lmao Link got anti-voted. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
I
think if a contest happens in a year where we get an FF at least as
well regarded as X while also getting Kingdom Hearts 3 (in which Cloud
is a possible partner) Cloud could beat Link again. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
JJH777 posted... I think if a contest happens in a year where we get an FF at least as well regarded as X while also getting Kingdom Hearts 3 (in which Cloud is a possible partner) Cloud could beat Link again. Solid Snake becoming Link's damsel in distress instead of Zelda is more likely than this happening |
The
least likely part of that is Square making a new FF that is as well
regarded as X (admittedly low probability for the foreseeable future).
If it does happen in the same year as a well-regarded KH3, Cloud beating
Link is quite possible. As long as Link doesn't counter with a new
game of his own in the same year. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
The
least likely part of that is Square making a new FF that is as well
regarded as X (admittedly low probability for the foreseeable future). That'll never happen. Once Sakaguchi and Uematsu left, that series became a shell of its former self. The best they can hope is to have semi respectable games, but they'll never reach the golden age again. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
What are Sakaguchi and Uematsu doing these days, anyway. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
They're
working on Nintendo's top secret Legend of Zelda RPG project, which,
once released, will guarantee Link at least 60% on everyone. The game will combined the best elements of Zelda, JRPGs, and WRPGs. Unlike past Zelda games, you will have vast choice in the storyline, such as choosing to rescue Hyrule from Ganon or choosing to turn all of Hyrule into your own slaves. The music will be breathtaking and hypnotic, forcing players to love Link against their will. It will have an especially powerful effect on children under the age of 5, so that players who have small kids will have kids who are programmed to love Link for life. The primary artistic/philosophical question the game will deal with is what it means to be a hero. It will explore what things make someone a hero, what things disqualify someone from being a hero, and what things do not matter (can you still be the world's hero if you enslave everyone in it?) --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Sakaguchi went and made The Last Story, one of those awesome Wii RPG's Nintendo won't localize. --- SubDeity wants to vote for Calvin Coolidge. [Evil Republican] Play Der Langrisser. |
PartOfYourWorld posted... What are Sakaguchi and Uematsu doing these days, anyway. He founded Mistwalker after he left Square, made a couple of 360 RPGs, and then a Wii RPG. Uematsu does freelance work -- and did the soundtracks for all three of Gooch's games post-Square. --- peace comes from within |
From: ZFS | #322 What is Gooch? --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´ http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/089/a/1/COMPLETE__GLOBAL__SATURATION__by_spikewible.jpg |
Oh great, now you guys are saying that maybe, just maybe, Link/Ganondorf may actually be an appealing rivalry to the voters after all. I've been saying that over and over since the f***ing bracket came out, and nobody even backed me up then, so I don't even want to hear you guys saying, "I told you so!" when I've been suggesting just this all f***ing contest. That's complete bulls***, and you know it. I still don't see Cloud/Sephiroth having a chance, and unless FF7 finally gets a remake it will never win another contest ever again. They've been getting weaker, as last year shows, and Link just got another critically-acclaimed game to beef him back to his godly self. At this point, it's probably more likely that Link/Ganondorf will break 60% on CS than it is for CS to win. That sounds crazy, but the way things are going with the Square fanbase it'll happen sooner or later, assuming we still have contests by that point. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy IV (FF2US) http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3445328 |
From: Not_Wylvane | #324 If it makes you feel better I said this from day one. Then again I don't post much in this topic. --- Ngirl is a toll bridge - Wigs Gotta pay if you want to come inside! - Ngirl |
It was wishful thinking. L/G were never going to be tested in this contest. He needs to be retired. This is stupid. --- "Dude, haven't you paid attention? Ulti's nuts are far too large to fit under your mere mortal boots." -Alec |
I
honestly don't think people care about the rivalries at all, and are
just voting for the more "deserving" rivalry, which is usually the
oldest one. DK vs K. Rool and Sonic vs Robotnik to me kinda throws out
that people are actually rating on the quality of rivalry here-- at
least, not in the sense that they care about the rivalry. So yeah Link's probably a 5:1 favorite at this point. And I think the best chance of stopping him is actually Mario, not Cloud/Seph. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
From: Not_Wylvane | #1604 Nah, as I said a few times, Zeldrones. Link+Ganon is viewed as a Link proxy. Ganon is just....there, IMO. Rivalry factor matters but it need not be universal. From: Not_Wylvane | #1604At this point, it's probably more likely that Link/Ganondorf will break 60% on CS than it is for CS to win. That sounds crazy, but the way things are going with the Square fanbase it'll happen sooner or later, assuming we still have contests by that point. Disagree here, both Link breaking 60% and FF7 winning are unlikely, but of the two I'd say FF7 pulling something out of its ass is easily more likely. Though yes, eventually that will happen. Of course by then the traffic on this site will be like one half of what it is now anyway. But I'll say again, we need Batman here. I'd be very, very confident in Batman pulling off a comfortable win there. Plus you know that Batman Vader Spider-Man etc. would increase vote totals a ton. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I'm gonna add my two cents and say I'm impartial to his retiring. I think it does feel cheap to have a contest without him. I'd rather the format add a sense of uncertainty than an artificial removing. On the other hand, retiring him means that Link can be introduced at a later date when the gaming climate has had more time to change and he could be fun to watch again. |
Retiring him would be pointless. So we'd have a new fake "winner"...so what? Also the entire purpose is to draw votes. More popular characters draw more votes! Who draws more votes than Link? Hell, the 4-way Link poll was one of the highest draws ever - and it was JUST LINK. This is a popularity contest. Taking away the most popular character is completely senseless. I hate the LAW too, but hey - the purpose of this contest is to draw voters to see ads to make the site $$$. Eliminating the best vote draws won't help this. Besides, it's *completely* unnecessary when as I said - all you need to do is add Batman. Problem solved. Vote totals will increase, and Link will lose. Link Protocols engaged, Hylian exterminated. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Link isn't losing to anyone fictional on this site in a legit contest. Santa only did as good as he did because of the Christmas season and the Bonus nature of the match. |
I'd take Link over Batman or any other fictional character too, but we can't know until we try it. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Can
we take Link out of the bracket and just have him face the champion
every year to see if he "retains the heavyweight title" so to speak? I mean, yeah, I'd expect him to win every year, but in the offchance that some character shoots up or a joke gets a crazy bandwagon going, maybe they beat him. And if not? It's just one 24 hour match at the end of the contest, we don't have to feed anybody to Link along the way. --- http://img.imgcake.com/alec1pngus.png |
It's
not horrible, but we need matches to build up hype for the final, and
we aren't getting that if Link isn't getting any action before the
final. Also, Link needs to be fed and wasn't fed his proper diet of
weak characters in 1v1- meaning everyone weaker than Sephiroth/Snake-
for 6 years. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
It wouldn't be a final as much as an exhibition match! Really, how can you build up hype for Link in a character contest now? This is the closest we've come and it's a format change. We can't change formats forever. --- Sack Up Or Shut Up™ |
Obviously we change it to WORST CHARACTER EVER and see if enough people don't read the rules for Link to still win. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
Link
is falling pretty rapidly now. *checks the time* Oh wow, it's 5:30 on
the east coast already......that would explain things. I better get to
sleep. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Obviously we change it to WORST CHARACTER EVER and see if enough people don't read the rules for Link to still win. Navi v. Tingle final - ZedaFAQs prevails again! --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
This
is seriously the least interesting contest we've ever had. Maybe it's
amplified because of all the sales we've had going on. There are days
where I forget we even have a contest going on. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
From: pjbasis | #1651 Yeah, I think you're damn wrong, and extremely predictably so. The Santa thing means nothing, I totally forgot that. I've been saying Batman beats Links since Day One - even when Link was at his peak. I said from probably the first contest I was on the board for that Batman would be the most powerful possible character entrant. Batman would beat Link and I'be bet a lot on it, and I don't think it would even be close. I have no idea why I have to actually point this out but - it's *Batman*. Not like he hasn't had millions of video game sales himself, andi is a multi-billion dollar franchise, and basically probably the most popular fictional character of the entire 20th century in commercial terms (maybe James Bond compares, but for contest terms Bond would be much weaker). I mean get real - it's Batman. He's UNGODLY popular. With *everyone*. Voters would flock to vote Batman out of sheer badassery. Remember that Snake is a poor man's Batman (homeless man's Batman?) and look how strong he is. Also look how Dante is a solid midcarder. A guy like Wolverine would absolutely tear Dante to pieces (and if you disagree with that I am not going to take you seriously), and Wolverine is certainly no Batman. People just can't seem to get over their ZeldaFEAR I guess and realize what, to me, seems fairly evident. I really would not expect Link to beat Batman, at all. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #340 I'd account bet with you and add you to my list tbh. --- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying |
Didn't Darth Vader almost lose to Diablo on Gamespot? Yeah, lol gamespot, but the idea that he'd automatically trounce Link just because he's so popular with the general public seems just a tad overconfident. Being ungodly popular with the general public has never saved Halo. Hell, Mario couldn't even beat Link in 2002. I know we are all familiar with that match (and further matches), but just think about that. Link wasn't even the most recognizable and popular character on his own console at that time. Mario was THE face of gaming for a decade and a half. So let's not act like just because somebody should be strong will mean they beat Link on GameFAQs. I'd love to see it, I think it's a great way to get some fresh blood, but this isn't some set in stone result. --- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/tiroalecjpgap.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpgyt.jpg |
While Vader is popular, I really don't think he's that popular on this site. Batman is pretty huge. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
And I know, you said GameSpot. I wouldn't expect Vader to be too strong. Strong yeah, but not Batman strong. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
That said, I don't think he beats Link. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
Man
so the first match that the percentage was under 50% was with the
bosses?Imagine if they beat Samus then,the percentage will be less than
20%. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Didn't Darth Vader almost lose to Diablo on Gamespot? Yes, he nearly lost on GameSpot. http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/battle-hub/index.html?battle_id=58 Granted, PC gaming and its characters are stronger on GameSpot than on GameFAQs. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Considering
that Kerrigan won that contest (admittedly due to rallying) beating
Diablo is a great performance. People who are fans of one Blizzard game
are extremely likely to be fans of another. Blizzard is one of the
biggest gaming companies on most sites it is only here where PC gaming
is hated for some reason that Blizzard games/characters are weak. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
I
think non-gaming characters in general would do pretty lame, I can't
imagine the majority of gamers on a gaming site being favourable to
inventions from other mediums than their own. If you added
Cloud/Sephiroth from Advent Children into the mix on a movie character
review/ranking site I'm pretty sure it'd be slated. And I can't see
musicheads considering nobuo uematsu a legendary composer. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
I
wouldn't say PC gaming is actually hated on GameFAQs. This is a site
where RPG games reign supreme here and the PC in general does not have
very many RPGs that are exclusive to the PC. In particular, there are
very few JRPG games for the PC and JRPGs have always been more popular
than WRPGs on this site. Although WRPGs are catching up to JRPGs
lately. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
