GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1024
From: PartOfYourWorld | #198 They do, because Cloud/Sephiroth aren't Nintendo. I don't care how well the Trainers do. When they face Link/Ganondorf, they will fall in line like literally every other Nintendo entrant before them. --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
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If
they beat Mario in a semifinal, I don't think Link in a final is
impossible. A huge step up, of course, but by that point, they would
have already taken a huge step up to beat Mario. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
No,
it's just like with Charizard. Once you run into that brick wall, you
find out it's actually a brick wall. Even if he had somehow beat Mario,
well... look what ended up happening to Mario right after that. --- :> |
Link has an absolute 0% chance of losing this contest. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
This
is definitely an "I'm here to destroy this contest" type of showing.
Amaterasu is likable and as good an anti-Link vote as anyone. I don't
even think Link and Ganon have drawn teams that weak; LoZ is just that
beastly once again. At this point, I have to wonder if Cloud/Seph even
have a better shot at winning this contest than the Trainers do. I predicted 80% here, and Link'll probably end around there as he's got a long night ahead of him before the day. Ammy was worth around 25% on Link last contest, but Link/Ganon is a stronger rivalry than Ammy/Orochi (I've never heard of Orochi, and that's probably true for many voters). Ganon is stronger than Orochi, and there's better synergy. Plus the format tends to amplify blowouts. I don't think this performance signifies much for Link/Cloud. Other than that Link is through with the horrifyingly bad performances of the early rounds of last year. These were the kinds of blowouts I was looking forward to after 6 years of waiting, not 79% on Arthas and 72% on Alucard. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Beating Link is impossible. Name a Nintendo entrant that has gotten within 10% of Link or Ocarina of Time. It literally has never happened. For all of our commending R/B/Y for standing up to OoT in 2009, it was still only getting 35-37% on it instead of getting as crushed as we thought. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
remember when there was concern that link would lose good times --- peace comes from within |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3851 Charizard lost but it did get pretty close to looking like it had a chance to beat Mario. However, as always beating Link is an entirely different story. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
From: KamikazePotato | #204 Maybe 5-10% if you combine the possibilities of Cloud's team being simply too strong, Mario's being too iconic, and Pokemon's building up too much momentum. It might be a hair less predictable than the 2010 CB, mainly because we're still dealing with a new type of contest. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Cloud
and joke rally is basically the only chance of Link ever has of losing.
FFVII has looked sickly at best so far this contest. Jokes are dead.
Link will probably never lose again. The only game there really is now is to watch just how badly Link can beat down Mario or if Cloud can even hold him under 60%. --- :> |
warning salvo, etc --- You know who's sexy? Black Turtle, the 2010 Games Contest Guru Winner, that's who! |
You're really overestimating how much momentum the Trainers CAN build if you think they can actually topple Link. --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg |
And for all this talk of "Man Link/Ganondorf isn't a great rivalry," it certainly appears that the voters think otherwise. Which is exactly what I said would happen. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
Absolute 0% chance. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
don't think this result says too much about Link/Ganon. Ammy's game is
from the same genre as Link's and has a decently strong Nintendo element
to its fanbase. Orochi is a worthless rival (if he's bringing more than
Breen did for Freeman, it isn't by much). Maybe Link/Ganon are a lot
stronger than we thought, but I think it's likely the teams they've been
up against have just been bad. What do Link/Ganon get on Nook/Redd,
anyway? Surely something well into the 80s. Let's see what happens
against Mega Man/Dr. Wily. I also think people over-reacted to Cloud/Seph's performance. Extent that match another 12 hours and they probably get near 78%, which isn't bad at all when you look at the last contest and you see low midcards getting 28-30% habitually. They probably break 70% on Kratos/Zeus and brush the Snakes aside comfortably. I don't think they have a chance against Link/Ganon, but they'll still get over 45%. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
From: LeonhartFour | #212 Guessing there's a 5-10% chance that anyone besides Link wins isn't really overestimating the other entrants. Heck, I may be overestimating Link relative to how many people on this board alone went with the Cloud/Seph upset. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
From: Kotetsu534 | #215 From: LeonhartFour | #200 --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
I'm
predicting a pretty bad performance for them against the Snakes really.
They will probably win but I am thinking it will be below 55%. --- :> |
If
they beat Mario in a semifinal, I don't think Link in a final is
impossible. A huge step up, of course, but by that point, they would
have already taken a huge step up to beat Mario. On the Nintendo ladder, Mario is closer to Samus than Link. Mario is probably closer to Ganondorf than Link- I kind of doubt that he'd break outdo Link's 64.5% on Mario there. Nothing from Nintendo can beat Link. Link has an absolute 0% chance of losing this contest. People said this in 2003 and 2007 also. It was wrong then, it is wrong now, and it has been wrong in every year we have held contests. Link is mortal. He's lost 2 out of 8 contests. He's only won 75% of them. That's a C in some grading systems, you know. Cloud/Sephiroth still have very real winning chances here. I'm still going to refuse to call Link the favorite at this point. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #216 Guessing there's a 5-10% chance that Cloud/Sephiroth win isn't overestimating things. Well, maybe a tad. Guessing there's a 5-10% chance that a Nintendo entrant beats Link is overestimating it, because the chances of that are approximately 0%. --- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... And for all this talk of "Man Link/Ganondorf isn't a great rivalry," it certainly appears that the voters think otherwise. Which is exactly what I said would happen. Yep, I said the same thing. It was always pretty crazy to believe that a people who love Zelda games, love the series, the main three characters of the series, and vote Link to a win in almost every contest are going to bail out on the idea of Link and Ganon as a rivalry. --- peace comes from within |
Link is pushing for 82% here. At this rate, I think he finishes above 80% even with the night vote still to come. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
The
voters hate Cloud these days, they anti-vote Final Fantasy to hell and
back. The only reason Cloud won in 2003 was because the landscape was
different for some reason and people didn't feel that way. Cloud has
definitely weakened, and I'm pretty sure Link has gotten stronger
overall and is never anti-voted. --- :> |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #958 I agree on most of what you say - I think FF7 will keep it respectable, but at this point I don't think they will win. Link/Ganon does not appear to suffer from Ganon being a part of the team. They are a Link proxy. Think FF7 will get between 46%-47% in the final. Disagree on your last point though. No way Trainers beat Link. Pokemon does not beat Zelda on GameFAQs - it simply will not happen. Zelda is the alpha male, the apex predator. Especially with Nintendo. If the Trainers make it to the finals, they will do worse than Cloud/Sephiroth the round earlier. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Yep,
I said the same thing. It was always pretty crazy to believe that a
people who love Zelda games, love the series, the main three characters
of the series, and vote Link to a win in almost every contest are going
to bail out on the idea of Link and Ganon as a rivalry. It is not necessary for a single Zelda fanboy to switch to Cloud's team for rivalry factor to flip that result. Link/Cloud is already a 53/47 match itself, add on Sephiroth and Ganondorf, without even bothering to consider rivalries, and it's awfully close to 50/50 if not on the other side. Then you just need a few voters who aren't big fans of either Zelda or FFVII who think Cloud/Seph is a better rivalry to turn the result. Flipping the votes of Zelda fanboys was never the idea. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Adding
Sephiroth to Cloud is basically adding another reason to anti-vote FF7.
Would not be surprised at all if Link outdoes his 2010 percent. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I'm
just not sure it's going to work that way with Link in the match.
Rivalries matter, except when it's Link. Except when it's just Link vs.
Cloud proxy, or Final Fantasy vs. Legend of Zelda proxy. It's just
probably never going to happen again, even with a remake of FFVII this
site has determined that FF must be anti-voted and I don't see that
changing. Link will win. The only concern is if he can break 60% I think. --- :> |
From: LeonhartFour | #1053 Nah, you're confused. It isn't that people think Link/Ganon is some sort of great rivalry. It's Zeldrones. Nothing more. Don't read too much into it! From: LeonhartFour | #1060Cloud/Sephiroth still have very real winning chances here. I'm still going to refuse to call Link the favorite at this point. Well while they do have a chance, favorite means favorite - and Link is clearly the consensus favorite. By definition he's favored, and by quite a bit. Whether you think others are mis-judging things is a different story. You could well be right. From: LeonhartFour | #1060 Cloud/Seph have more than a 5-10% chance of winning - I mean that's absurdly low. From contest history we should already be wise enough to realize that estimating at such extremes is a horrible idea. Things change quickly. Just watch how quickly people jump ship and start hyping things if FF7 triples their match (which won't happen, but you know what I mean). Giving a Nintendo entrant 5-10% chance is more reasonable. That sounds about right, between the Trainers and Mario/Bowser combined. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I
said this match doesn't say too much about Link/Ganon. I retract that
statement: they've just updated over 84% four times in a row. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
It
is not necessary for a single Zelda fanboy to switch to Cloud's team
for rivalry factor to flip that result. Link/Cloud is already a 53/47
match itself, add on Sephiroth and Ganondorf, without even bothering to
consider rivalries, and it's awfully close to 50/50 if not on the other
side. Series contest redux. --- *is Dranze* I lost my girl and lost to Black Turtle. Can't get worse. |
Link/Ganondorf
likely received one of the biggest rivalry-boosts in the contest...just
probably not relative to his closest competition. That's still a
rivalry that's spanned twenty-five years, including GameFAQs's #1 game
(which got a 3D-remake this year). Link and Ganon are among our top
heroes and villains anyway, so this shouldn't shock us. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
If FFVII triples Kratos/Zeus, then I will laugh because it means this site has finally found something it hates more than FFVII. But I won't change my mind about Link winning. --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
The
chances of Link breaking 60% actually are around the 1% figures people
are throwing around. The chances of him breaking 55% are probably at
10% or lower. And if he does, the reason certainly won't be that
Sephiroth added more anti-votes to Cloud. It's not like Seph
anti-voters would vote for Cloud over Link in the first place. We saw this expectations game last contest. Link put up horrible performances in the early rounds, people acted like they weren't bad. Then Link put up okay performances against Sonic and Mario and people were super impressed and proclaiming Link was utterly invincible and about to 60-40 Cloud. Then Link only gets 53% on Cloud, and the same people who were just saying he was going to get 60% still claim he is invincible and lobby to get him kicked out of the contest for winning too much. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
It
isn't a matter of fanboys. The general preference on this site is for
Zelda, in all of its forms, even regardless of how its parent company is
perceived. There's more to it than "add Sephiroth, add Ganon -- which
brings more popularity as an individual?" because there are other
factors that Link/Ganon have on their side. There are intangibles with
them that Cloud and Sephiroth don't have. Ignoring that, the common
sentiment heading into the contest was that Link/Ganon weren't going to
be as well-liked, because it's a "bad rivalry," but you aren't going to
find many voters agreeing with that idea. I would be very surprised if
Link/Ganon managed to lose this contest, it just doesn't add up. Never
agreed with the idea that Sephiroth is adding more to Cloud. --- peace comes from within |
From: red sox 777 | #1105It is not necessary for a single Zelda fanboy to switch to Cloud's team for rivalry factor to flip that result. Link/Cloud is already a 53/47 match itself, add on Sephiroth and Ganondorf, without even bothering to consider rivalries, and it's awfully close to 50/50 if not on the other side. Then you just need a few voters who aren't big fans of either Zelda or FFVII who think Cloud/Seph is a better rivalry to turn the result. Flipping the votes of Zelda fanboys was never the idea. But...but...DRONES!!! The Ganon/Sephiroth dynamic probably won't matter as much because the drone mentality will discount it. From: vcharon | #1107 A remake of FF7 would make this site go bat**** crazy. It would, like, explode the internetz. The Hype alone would make Cloud a legit threat to Link. And if the game delivered as a good game, watch the hell out. I don't think a FF7 remake will ever happen - but if it did, it changes *everything*. The main reason FF7 is fading is because it's just one game with some spin-offs. Zelda is a constantly renewed series. That's why some cameos in a Disney game meant so much for FF7 characters. It's constant exposure that they lack. Link is always around. As for 60%, not happening. I do think that Link might outdo his performance on Cloud, simply because FF7 might be weaker since then. But 60%? Come on. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
You
do know invincible means he can't lose, right? Cloud and Sephiroth
getting 48% would prove nothing but that even the strongest combination
of characters failed to beat Link. --- :> |
The
general preference of the site is for Zelda, but it's not a very strong
preference. A pretty big minority (47% of the site) prefers FFVII.
Ganon still gets stomped by Sephiroth, any Zelda game that's not OOT
gets stomped by FFVII, Zelda loses to Vincent easily, and so on. The
actual matchup does matter. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
For
the most part, I want Link out of the contest because he's no longer
interesting. He can't put up these mind-blowingly ridiculous blowouts
anymore, but he builds up such a big lead on Cloud during the Power Hour
that we don't even get Cloud teasing us by trying to take the lead in
the middle of the night anymore and instead we just get to watch that
percentage bleed all night. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
Link scoring 71% on another Noble Niner is an 'okay' performance? If Link didn't look good in 2010, nobody did. Also, Link is following in Mario's footsteps so far. Mario 85's fodder, then so does Link. Mario gets matched up against someone he basically triples, goes to ~81%, likely because Ike's partner is deadweight. Link pretty much doing the same right now? --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
From: LeonhartFour | #1158For the most part, I want Link out of the contest because he's no longer interesting. Put him against Batman and see how "invincible" and "uninteresting" he is. I bet you Batman 55-45s Links. Suddenly Link ain't hot **** anymore. Vader could possibly beat Link too (...although Vader might be even more pic dependent than Snake...imagine a little Ani pic...aaaaugh the horror!) --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I'm
not sure how Link's performances against Mario and Sonic could be
considered just "okay". How much stronger could one really expect him to
get? He took two of the strongest characters there were and flattened
them. --- :> |
If
Final Fantasy VII can't muster up the popularity with voters to win a
contest against Link since 2003, that's telling. I know you like to use
the 75% thing as a way to show that Link doesn't win every contest, but
against Final Fantasy VII in particular, he has only lost once -- and it
was nearly a decade ago that it happened. Link should always been
assumed a favorite to win until proven otherwise when he's an entrant. --- peace comes from within |
I still doubt Link loses to anyone on Gamefaqs regardless of who they are. --- :> |
From: creativename | #240 Well, I was talking strictly normal Character Battles, because Bacon doesn't seem to want to give us anything broader than that. --- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg |
If there was a FFVII remake I would have cloud winning the bracket. I think that's the only way link will lose. --- JUMPJUMPJUMP |
Oh, and hypothetical: The Joker vs. Ganon Does Ganon break 40%? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Does Joker win that match at all? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Probably not. There would be plenty of strong characters in a general battle, but Link would still be the favorite until someone proved otherwise. This is Gamefaqs. --- :> |
I
looked at it like this: It's Zelda vs Final Fantasy again. Zelda is
still more popular than Final Fantasy. It's Zelda's best entrant vs FF's
best entrant. That is all I needed. --- *is Dranze* I lost my girl and lost to Black Turtle. Can't get worse. |
