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#151 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2011 6:12:23 PM | message detail
The awesome thing about the Yoshi match is that it implies Dante/Riku would've been a 55/45 match in 2006.

LOL Dante
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#152 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2011 6:14:19 PM | message detail
But regardless, the point isn't necessarily that Dante has only had two chances to win close matches. He's had several chances to look good against good competition.

About the only match he's had where I can say he came out looking better than he did going in was the Vincent match in 2005.
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#153 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/26/2011 6:14:44 PM | message detail
more like NOTte
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#154 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/26/2011 6:23:15 PM | message detail
Dante/Sora isn't debatable because of anything Dante has done, it's debatable because Sora has crapped the bed the last few years and hasn't had any releases to prop him up. He peaked in 2006, and it's only been downhill since then.
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#155 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2011 6:24:30 PM | message detail
Sora looked pretty awesome in 2007 and 2008, and the KH games looked pretty great in 2009. It's really only the last Character Battle where Sora and Riku didn't look very good.

And Sora's main problem was that he had all night matches.
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#156 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/26/2011 6:33:34 PM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
On a side note, IIRC, the GOTD stats, have Metroid Prime doubling Vice City. Yet:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3467

What happened there? According to the GOTD stats, Metroid Prime should be in an easy 1st place in that poll while Vice City should be in an even more easy 4th.

Metroid Prime is well overrated in the stats, Vice City and San Andreas didn't look as good and Metroid Prime was held back by Paper Mario.


Also Kingdom Hearts and GTA overperform in 4-ways. Plus Metroid Prime had a rerelease between BGE2009 and GOTD, and there's the possibility of overperforming due to Other M's then-recent release (possibly implying that Half-Life 2 > Metroid Prime > Fallout 3 in an ordinary environment, with Fallout 3 overperforming due to New Vegas and Prime overperforming due to Other M).
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#157 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/26/2011 6:41:10 PM | message detail
Match XLI: (1) Link/Ganondorf vs. (4) Amaterasu/Orochi

Previous Round

Link/Ganondorf – 85.30%
Arthas/Illidan – 14.70%

Amaterasu/Orochi – 67.12%
Tom Nook/Crazy Redd – 32.88%

Analysis

Last round Link and Ganondorf showed why most people on the board consider them to be the strongest pair of the contest blowing out their opponents with ease while Amaterasu and Orochi looked decent. I don’t think anyone would object to saying Link and Ganondorf had a better performance than Cloud and Sephiroth. Sure you can argue anti-votes and that Lloyd and Kratos are stronger, but at the end of the day Link and Ganondorf looked better.

I don’t think anyone is going to give Amaterasu a chance against the big guy. While she has surpassed all of our expectations in terms of strength she isn’t touching a noble nine. In terms of percent we say Amaterasu break 40% on Luigi in the previous contest who then went on to get 28% on Link. SFF looked to be more minimal in that match so that puts Amaterasu at around getting tripled which I feel to be about right.

We probably won’t see any effects of having Ganondorf as a teammate until either next round or in the quarterfinals. Right now he adds a bit of strength and some rivalry power, but it’ll be interesting to see how they hold up against a more known rivalry. Amaterasu is not fodder so I don’t see Link breaking 80% here, but a tripling should be around what he’ll go for.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Link/Ganondorf > Amaterasu/Orochi

charmander6000’s Prediction: Link/Ganondorf wins, 77.11% - 22.89%
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#158 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 6:43:30 PM | message detail
Feels like a good prediction.
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#159 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/26/2011 6:48:45 PM | message detail
compared to Dante getting just barely above 95% on what could be the weakest rivalry in this bracket.

How much does this mean, really? Do we know what percentage of the brackets are fun brackets or "if it was up to me" brackets? Isn't that basically why the obvious matches aren't 99.9% but rather 95%+?

Also, Square always wins so vote Link.
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#160 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 6:53:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
Sora performed well against the joke entry this year, but I have to feel that the craze has died down and simply admit that looking at the vote totals leads me to believe "no one cares". Even the ralliers that fueled L-Block and Missingno. don't seem to care, that or those same people are somehow offended by Hitler. Hard to gather anything from that result.

I'm not totally sold on this being an easy win for Sora, but looking at history it should be. People tend to believe Dante is much more elite than he always ends up being. It doesn't really help Vergil isn't going to add squat to him whereas Sora gets a midcarder.
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#161 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/26/2011 7:06:53 PM | message detail
IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/26/2011 9:48:45 PM | message detail
How much does this mean, really? Do we know what percentage of the brackets are fun brackets or "if it was up to me" brackets? Isn't that basically why the obvious matches aren't 99.9% but rather 95%+?


I'm pretty sure that the prediction percentages also include fun brackets.
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#162 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/26/2011 8:41:31 PM | message detail
I will be interested in seeing SKYWARD SWORD Link. I expect a bit of an overperformance here.
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#163 | xp1337 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:01:36 PM | message detail
Link vs. Ganondorf 80% 12
Amaterasu vs. Orochi 20% 3
TOTAL VOTES 15
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#164 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:01:39 PM | message detail
Link vs. Ganondorf 87.5%

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Amaterasu vs. Orochi 12.5%

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#165 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/26/2011 9:01:48 PM | message detail
poor Ammy..
this will get uglyyyy
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#166 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 9:01:51 PM | message detail
This will be bad.
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#167 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/26/2011 9:01:52 PM | message detail
Link vs. Ganondorf 76.92%

10
Amaterasu vs. Orochi 23.08%

3
TOTAL VOTES 13


I stopped playing Zelda seconds before I could quick-vote for Link. It just happened. Skyward Sword is MAGIC.
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#168 | th3l3fty | Posted 11/26/2011 9:02:19 PM | message detail
barely over a tripling with a new game under his belt

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#169 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:02:40 PM | message detail
80% here we come.
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#170 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:03:59 PM | message detail
Shaped like a boot to lose to Cloud.

Oh yeah, and just watch this Mario. Watch and think how you are going to be humiliated yet again by your king, if Cloud doesn't win that is.
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#171 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 9:05:41 PM | message detail
No chance of Link having a legit loss ever again, imo.
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#172 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/26/2011 9:05:44 PM | message detail
80% is about as expected. Ammy isn't going to be thrashing Arthas or anything.
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#173 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 9:06:27 PM | message detail
Holds him under 80% at the freeze.
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#174 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:07:25 PM | message detail
Ammy isn't going to be thrashing Arthas or anything.

Of course she would. She broke 40% against Luigi last contest.
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#175 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/26/2011 9:09:24 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Ammy isn't going to be thrashing Arthas or anything.

Of course she would. She broke 40% against Luigi last contest.


Even with Arthas losing to Kefka last contest, the stats don't have her getting more than 58% on Arthas. Going from 85% to 80% is within that range.
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#176 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/26/2011 9:10:18 PM | message detail
#177 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:10:30 PM | message detail
Oh. In that case, no argument. I thought you were saying that Ammy and Arthas were in the same range.
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#178 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/26/2011 9:10:52 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
46------233--------98.28
45------186--------79.57
44------482--------70.95
43------515--------41.75
42------783--------37.29
41------997--------33.60
40------1105------31.95
39------1220------30.82
38------1256------33.04
37------1287------37.06
36------1131------33.07
35------1057------36.14
34------949--------39.20
33------810--------35.31
32------698--------35.67
31------611--------36.66
30------477--------33.54
29------405--------32.35
28------331--------34.74
27------259--------36.68
26------175--------34.86
25------129--------26.36
24------112--------31.25
23------78----------35.90
22------61----------40.98
21------39----------20.51
20------33----------39.39
19------18----------44.44
18------15----------33.33
17------8------------25.00
16------10----------20.00

13------5------------20.00
12------3------------33.33

10------4------------50.00
9--------5------------20.00

7--------4------------50.00

5--------3------------33.33

2--------10----------10.00

Omitted scores got it wrong.

Finally the prediction percentage drops below 50 for a match. The perfects didn't think it was very difficult. Even ignoring the alts, over 90% of them got the match right which is over 10 percentage points better than the -1s. Overall the top tiers did way better than everyone else. The -2s do nearly 30 percentage points better than the -3s but a lot of this is due to a person with 200 entries messing up the stats there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was also a large group of alts inflating the -1s prediction percentage as well.

3 people fell off the Top 50. SunSteve, CougarCameron and RazorHawk23 did not have Big Boss vs. The Boss winning the match.
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#179 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:11:13 PM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Closest Matches
1. Luigi/Waluigi – 55.28% vs. Cecil Harvey/Golbez – 44.72% - Round 1 – 10.56%
2. Siegfried/Nightmare – 55.68% vs. Ramza Beoulve/Delita Hyral – 44.32% - Round 1 – 11.36%
3. Frog/Magus – 56.13% vs. Raiden/Vamp – 43.87% - Round 1 – 12.26%
4. Phoenix Wright/Miles Edgeworth – 56.56% vs. Gordon Freeman/Dr. Breen – 43.44% - Round 1 – 13.12%
5. Big Boss/The Boss – 56.60% vs. Chris Redfield/Albert Wesker – 43.40% - Round 2 – 13.20%
6. Kirby/Meta Knight – 58.47% vs. Jill Valentine/Nemesis – 41.53% - Round 1 – 16.94%
7. Solid Snake/Liquid Snake – 58.77% vs. Crono/Lavos – 41.23% – Round 1 – 17.54%
8. Chell/GlaDOS – 59.07% vs. Ness/Giygas – 40.93% - Round 1 – 18.14%
9. Ike/Black Knight – 59.42% vs. Conker/Great Mighty Poo – 40.58% - Round 1 – 18.84%
10. Big Boss/The Boss – 59.64% vs. Tidus/Jecht – 40.36% - Round 1 – 19.28%

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict
1. Big Boss/The Boss vs. Chris Redfield/Albert Wesker – Round 2 – 37.29%
2. Big Boss/The Boss vs. Tidus/Jecht – Round 1 – 55.06%
3. Phoenix Wright/Miles Edgeworth vs. Gordon Freeman/Dr. Breen – Round 1 – 57.30%
4. Sub-Zero/Scorpion vs. Donkey Kong/King K. Rool - Round 2 – 58.33%
5. Luigi/Waluigi vs. Cecil Harvey/Golbez – Round 1 – 60.19%
6. Ike/Black Knight vs. Conker/Great Mighty Poo – Round 1 – 63.37%
7. Frog/Magus vs. Raiden/Vamp – Round 1 – 66.12%
8. Alucard/Dracula vs. Commander Shepard/Saren – Round 1 – 67.82%
9. Ryu/Ken vs. Fox McCloud/Wolf O’Donnell – Round 2 – 67.88%
10. Siegfried/Nightmare vs. Ramza Beoulve/Delita Hyral – Round 1 – 68.03%
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#180 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 9:11:22 PM | message detail
There is no chance to survive the Link.
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#181 | smitelf | Posted 11/26/2011 9:11:27 PM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #172
80% is about as expected. Ammy isn't going to be thrashing Arthas or anything.


I think it would be a safe 65/35 kind of match
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#182 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/26/2011 9:11:28 PM | message detail
oh jeez
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#183 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/26/2011 9:11:31 PM | message detail
By the way, if Ammy got 65% on Arthas, that would put Link at exactly 79% on Ammy. Since the Bosses could barely double Arthas in the vote-ins, Ammy won't be doing that to Arthas either because I would never pick Ammy over the Bosses.
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#184 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:11:55 PM | message detail
Amaterasu getting killed. I blame Orochi!
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#185 | Bigwig_rah | Posted 11/26/2011 9:13:55 PM | message detail | (edited)
37% and only two perfects fell off the battle leaderboard? Sigh.
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#186 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/26/2011 9:15:35 PM | message detail
Blowouts by Link are beautiful things. I've missed them sorely all these years since 2004.

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#187 | creativename | Posted 11/26/2011 9:16:40 PM | message detail

From: Bigwig_rah | #905
37% and only two perfects fell off the battle leaderboard? Sigh.


People like to cut them cookies.

We'll see how they taste on Sora/Dante. Not sure if the cookie monster will come and eat them up for that one.
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#188 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 9:16:44 PM | message detail
Up up he goes, where he stops nobody knows!
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#189 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/26/2011 9:17:21 PM | message detail
bah... I thought Link might be able to finish over 80% .... too bad I went with a "safe" oracle pick
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#190 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/26/2011 9:17:59 PM | message detail
Bigwig_rah posted...
37% and only two perfects fell off the battle leaderboard? Sigh.

THE HIVE MIND!
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#191 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/26/2011 9:19:32 PM | message detail
I never once considered the idea of Link finishing over 80% here, although I did feel he had a good chance to finish between 78% and 80%.
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#192 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/26/2011 9:19:56 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #187
People like to cut them cookies.

We'll see how they taste on Sora/Dante. Not sure if the cookie monster will come and eat them up for that one.


I'm taking my cookie straight to the bank on that match, if you follow.
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#193 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/26/2011 9:20:35 PM | message detail
Is Luigi vs. Trainers the only match where the pairing that had the strongest character (by at least a decent margin) has lost?
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#194 | ZFS | Posted 11/26/2011 9:20:39 PM | message detail
Bad result.
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#195 | Sorozone | Posted 11/26/2011 9:21:13 PM | message detail
Discounting all alts(that are visible) there are 57 perfects left. I'm down to the final 7.
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#196 | vcharon | Posted 11/26/2011 9:22:38 PM | message detail
jacko_vdz posted...
Is Luigi vs. Trainers the only match where the pairing that had the strongest character (by at least a decent margin) has lost?

I'd say Leon is a decent bit stronger than either of the ninja.
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#197 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/26/2011 9:26:16 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
jacko_vdz posted...
Is Luigi vs. Trainers the only match where the pairing that had the strongest character (by at least a decent margin) has lost?

I'd say Leon is a decent bit stronger than either of the ninja.


After MK9, I'd say Leon would beat Subz, but it would be close. Like 53-47%.. not close enough to call it a lock
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#198 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/26/2011 9:27:23 PM | message detail
This is definitely an "I'm here to destroy this contest" type of showing. Amaterasu is likable and as good an anti-Link vote as anyone. I don't even think Link and Ganon have drawn teams that weak; LoZ is just that beastly once again. At this point, I have to wonder if Cloud/Seph even have a better shot at winning this contest than the Trainers do.
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#199 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/26/2011 9:28:56 PM | message detail
Attorneys beating Freeman/Breen may fall under your definition, too.
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#200 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2011 9:29:34 PM | message detail
Southeast Division Lower Half

Big Boss vs. The Boss – 50.00%
Chris Redfield vs. Albert Wesker – 43.40%
Tidus vs. Jecht – 40.36%
Dan Hibiki vs. Sagat – 18.04%

South Division Upper Half

Link vs. Ganondorf – 50.00%
Amaterasu vs. Orochi – 18.68%
Arthas Menethil vs. Illidian – 14.70%
Tom Nook vs. Crazy Redd – 12.28%

Would you take Dan/Sagat over Amaterasu/Orochi? I know I would...!
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