GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1024
I
think there would be a lot of strong non-VG characters, but I'm still
taking Link to win. The thing is there are very few or even zero
fictional characters with as broad a reach as Link on Gamefaqs. The
vast majority of this site at least likes Legend of Zelda. I'm not sure
that's true for any other franchise in or outside of gaming. There are
plenty of people on this site who don't care for comics, and they'd
probably produce some of our strongest fictional characters, for
example. But we can't tell unless we hold that contest. If we do, it's essential that the bracket is fully integrated. We don't need any more division by generation type awfulness. The point of the contest would be to see how VG and non-VG characters stack up against each other, and for that we need as many VG vs. non-VG matches as possible. I think Achromatic is Sir Chris, by the way. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
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Yeah, I don't want a split bracket. That's no better than divisions by generation for Games Contest. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
Integrated has to happen. The splits in the games contests have wasted a lot of potential debate, --- "Tebow losing is basically the same thing as Christ suffering on the cross." ~SmartMuffin |
Yeah, if we just have one final match, we don't learn anything. If we have two seperate brackets, and their only crossing is Link vs Batman in the final, we don't really learn much. Especially if Batman (or any other fictional character) loses. --- "nah, it's not my team if I drop pitchers for merely being horrible" -War13104 |
If
the contest was integrated we probably wouldn't get more than 10 or so
non-VG characters, unless each R1 match had one of each. Edit: I would prefer a contest of all non-VG characters over both, as there's tons I'd want to see. --- "What's wrong with bootblacking? We like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
Obligatory reminder: creativename spouted eons' worth of nonsense about Pokemon RBY not being a top 10 game on this site. One less bracket, etc --- ,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·. http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/CertifiedTroll/god-haters-gonna-hate-eagle.jpg |
Match XLII: (3) Zidane Tribal/Kuja vs. (2) Mega Man/Dr. Wily Previous Round Zidane Tribal/Kuja – 64.61% Meat Boy/Dr. Fetus – 35.39% Mega Man/Dr. Wily – 77.48% Banjo/Gruntilda – 22.52% Analysis While the bracket wasn’t too difficult to predict this division has been by far not only the most predictable, but also the least interesting. Every match has the winning being two tiers above their opponent. With that said it doesn’t really matter what Mega Man and Dr. Wily get in this match because they are essentially Link food next round, but a good performance would be nice. Zidane and Kuja didn’t exactly show off their Dissidia strength, but that could be explained of Meat Boy and Dr. Fetus attracting joke voters. Both ways I still believe Zidane is stronger than what he was in his earlier days and Kuja may be strong enough to defeat Master Hand should they ever find each other. Mega Man and Dr. Wily looked impressive last round which is no surprise considering that their rivalry is pretty iconic. Some people may have wanted Proto Man as Mega Man’s rival, but I feel Dr. Wily adds more rivalry factor than Proto Man despite Proto Man being more of a rival. The relationship between Mega Man and Dr. Wily has spanned over several games and is probably better known overall. A match between Dr. Wily and Proto Man would probably see Proto Man barely winning before SFF comes in. Zidane will hold better compare to last round, but at the same time Mega Man and Dr. Wily shouldn’t have much of an issue doubling Zidane and Kuja and could even push for 70%. Like Mega Man X Mega Man could have had an interesting contest had he been placed in a different spot of the bracket, but a lot of characters could have said that. charmander6000’s Bracket: Mega Man/Dr. Wily > Zidane Tribal/Kuja charmander6000’s Prediction: Mega Man/Dr. Wily wins, 68.47% - 31.53% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
Simpsons would flop if you think 10 characters are above the fodderline. Homer and Bart are the only ones that have a chance. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
From: LeonhartFour | #442 Pretty obvious to me though. Magneto would be very strong, if you think otherwise you are so far off base. From: LeonhartFour | #443 Because these characters haven't been in video games that sold millions? What? From: LOLContests | #450 Absolutely not. Horrific idea. The entire point is fiction vs. VG characters - having split brackets would be incredibly silly. Worst possible thing you could do. From: UltimaterializerX | #456 Err. What? Dude - you're making yourself look really bad here. I said that before, obviously I don't doubt it now. And to attack my track record of all things - wowza. My accuracy history in terms of these contests is superior to yours, and to just about anybody's. I don't like to toot my own horn (in fact I really hate that you are making me talk about this) but come one. We all make blunders but I am easily among the most accurate predictors around. To try and nitpick my track record is just epic insanity. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #459 Funny how it's only obvious to you though. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
From: creativename | #459 That doesn't make them "video game characters." I don't think we really need to bicker about the difference here. There's a video game character and a character who so happens to have been in a video game. --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg |
From: LeonhartFour | #460 Indeed, I find it quite strange that so many doubt it. Very odd. Though it depends perhaps on what you mean by "strong" - I believe Magneto could avoid a doubling from Link. Not sure what your definition of "strong" is. I mean Sora at his best was around doubling level to Link but freakin' Magneto couldn't do better? ....really? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
You were saying multiple X-Men could be at Noble Nine level. Magneto would not be Noble Nine level. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
From: LeonhartFour | #461 Well they are clearly well exposed to gamers with boatloads of games sold so I fail to see much of a difference. This is truly trivial technicality stuff. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #464 It is not. Considering we have had several people on this board saying they don't want non-VG people in our contests. And there was a similar reaction from many people on GameSpot. Those characters would get anti-voted because they're not video game characters. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
I
think you'd need to consider how many people on this site even care
about these other mediums. Are 50% of the people on the site even comic
book fans? But 100% of the site are video game fans, so that gives any
video game characters a major advantage over those comic book
characters. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
From: LeonhartFour | #463 No, I said NN level or borderline NN level. Wolverine would probably be NN level. Magneto is a possible NN candidate. I would bet against it but it's possible. At the least he'd be borderline. Seriously - go look at the list of the standings and see which guys are within 5% of the NN. It's not the most imposing list. There would be tons and tons of fictional characters who would be around that level - far more than there are pure video game characters at that level. Remember, all this is based on CJayC's "originated in a video game" notion. Do you seriously think the normal voter is going to think "Oh, this guy didn't originate in a video game, no soup for you?" No - they'll vote for their favorite, and whether they originated in a video game or not will be completely irrelevant. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #467 If you think it's going to be completely irrelevant, you're wrong. There will be a decent chunk of people who will vote against them because they hate the idea of having non-VG characters in their contests. They do exist. Whether it will make a big difference in the end is another matter, but it will matter. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
From: LeonhartFour | #465Those characters would get anti-voted because they're not video game characters. So Batman, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Spider-Man and Wolverine would get anti-voted by the average voter because they didn't originate in a video game. Even though they've sold millions of video games. Dude. You are going off the deep end here :) --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
And
I think you're really overestimating the popularity of X-Men in general
anyway. Wolverine is easily the most popular one. The rest aren't
nearly as popular though. You can say "Really? Magneto can't be more
popular than Sora?" all you want. But you're overestimating how popular X-Men other than Wolverine are all the same. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
From: creativename | #469 I think it's stupid. I don't agree with it. But these people exist. They've spoken up about it. It's not "theoretical." These people exist. So please stop talking down to me like I'm an idiot. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
I apologize if I sound like I'm talking to you like an idiot. Truly, my apologies. But I think your point is patently absurd. "These people exist" means nothing, they are a totally trivial portion of the populace. To think that Batman, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Spider-Man, Wolverine etc. are going to be anti-voted by gamers- even though those gamers have played millions of their games! A lot! - is just completely crazy. The normal voter will not think like that. You are talking about the most insignificant of minorities - the type that would take Jay Solano over Link. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Most games released with fictional characters are terrible anyways. Batman and Vader are an exception with Arkham and KotOR. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
Err.
What? Dude - you're making yourself look really bad here. I said that
before, obviously I don't doubt it now. And to attack my track record of
all things - wowza. My accuracy history in terms of these contests is
superior to yours, and to just about anybody's. I don't like to toot my own horn (in fact I really hate that you are making me talk about this) but come one. We all make blunders but I am easily among the most accurate predictors around. To try and nitpick my track record is just epic insanity. Yeah, cn has probably the best track record of anyone with these contests. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes. I don't think the anti-voting would be significant, as in it wouldn't be more than what the average VG character gets. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Never
played it, but I think KOTOR took place before Vader in the timeline.
But Vader's been in a gazillion games anyway, some bad, some mediocre,
some good. Regardless - he's Darth freakin' Vader. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I'm
just saying even if million of gamers have played their games they
probably didn't like most of them. Almost no one is going to vote for
fictional characters based on their games, this is essentially a war
between different media and on GameFAQs there is going to be a natural
bias towards games. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/27/2011 10:47:12 PM | message detail I don't think the anti-voting would be significant, as in it wouldn't be more than what the average VG character gets. I can't see non-VG characters being anti-voted even more heavily than Cloud/Sephiroth would. During that Melee/Brawl match, Brawl's haters were among a very vocal minority of the site, but it didn't stop Brawl from winning. I think non-VG characters would be in the same boat here. Only a vocal minority of this site would be opposed to non-VG characters being in a contest. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Non-VG
anti-voting wouldn't be anything close to Brawl hate or FFVII hate. By
average I meant characters that people usually don't think of as being
anti-voted at all. Of course every character receives some anti-votes. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
From: charmander6000 | #2356 This is where you're getting confused, I think. It's about the characters in the end. Dante's games aren't that popular but he's popular. Similar with Zack (in terms of exposure vs. popularity). Likewise, Call of Duty games sell gazillions yet their main guys would be fodder. Also Shadow of the Colossus with Wander. Characters>>>games when it comes to character contests. They are not the same. Link is a bit unique in that he relies solely on his games, pretty much. But most characters really heavily on character design and name recognition. For instance if Mario was some Snake-like badass, given the number of games he's sold he'd probably ruin Link. If it was about games, by all rights Mario should crush everyone. But...he's a fat plumber. It hurts him. And your "natural bias towards games" doesn't make any sense because as I already addressed, all the most popular fictional guys have sold truckloads of games and pretty much everyone around here will have played one of them. Exposure to gamers via the medium of video games is a complete non-issue. Any fictional character that matters will have plenty of exposure, to gamers, through the medium of video games. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/battle-hub/index.html?battle_id=58 Vader BARELY beat Diablo in the Gamespot contest. Thats enough evidence I'd need that a video game site would be anti voting these guys. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
I
think it'll be the other way, but the attitude being more like "I would
rather not have them, but I won't throw a fit if they are let in." --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
Link
is a bit unique in that he really solely on his games, pretty much. But
most characters really heavily on character design and name
recognition. Link has great game strength and great character design. Link is who everyone (well, obviously not everyone) wishes they were. For instance if Mario was some Snake-like badass, given the number of games he's sold he'd probably ruin Link. If it was about games, by all rights Mario should crush everyone. But...he's a fat plumber. It hurts him. LoZ > SMB on this site, so with equal character design, Link probably still wins. But it would be a whole lot closer. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I would have absolutely no problem taking Mag-freakin'-neto over Ganondorf. I'd take him over Crono even. --- The King of GameFAQs Brawl posting from his phone. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/board8/images/8/8b/ViviffChampS1.jpg |
LOL Gamespot. Albion will Albion. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename posted... LOL Gamespot. Albion will Albion. LOL Gamespot all you want, it still shows that people on video game sites care more about video game characters. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
And
your "natural bias towards games" doesn't make any sense because as I
already addressed, all the most popular fictional guys have sold
truckloads of games and pretty much everyone around here will have
played one of them. Exposure to gamers via the medium of video games is a
complete non-issue. Any fictional character that matters will have
plenty of exposure, to gamers, through the medium of video games. But most of those games are terrible. If the only way you know the X-Men is from video games you probably aren't going to be much of a fan. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
From: ViviffTheMobile | #2403 Indeed. I mean let's be totally honest: would anyone here truly, honestly be surprised if Darth Vader beat Sephiroth? He may win, he may lose (I'd favor him personally) - but I can't fathom how someone would be surprised if Darth Vader beat Sephiroth. Like, nobody should bat an eyelash at that result if it happened. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I would not even consider taking Magneto over a single NNer Wolverine? maybe - but definitely not Magneto --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
Indeed.
I mean let's be totally honest: would anyone here truly, honestly be
surprised if Darth Vader beat Sephiroth? He may win, he may lose (I'd
favor him personally) - but I can't fathom how someone would be
surprised if Darth Vader beat Sephiroth. Like, nobody should bat an
eyelash at that result if it happened. No surprise there. I can't see Magneto beating any Noble Niners however. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Vader isn't going to be more than high midcarder here. Thinking anything can beat Link here is pretty lol. --- caps |
Vader
BARELY beat Diablo in the Gamespot contest. Thats enough evidence I'd
need that a video game site would be anti voting these guys. Blizzard rallying was pretty big at that time, though considering that they were more focussed on Kerrigan and she only barely won over Bowser I guess you could say it was a bad performance on Vader's part. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
GameSpot's
contests are kind of weird as some of the results are non-linear and
non-transitive because the contest was rigged by outside forces like
4chan and rallies from Blizzard (on their official Facebook pages).
GameSpot has never hosted their contests on the front page, which also
reduces vote totals and makes it harder for casual visitors to even find
the contest. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
don't forget Valve using Steam to rally for Gordon! --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
From: charmander6000 | #2406 MvC2 is '"terrible"...? Anyway... 1) Many of those x-men games are actually decent, and sold well. 2) Saying "f the only way you know the X-Men is from video games you probably aren't going to be much of a fan." is mind-boggling. Virtually no one is going to have heard of these guys from video games first. Obviously they aren't going to be getting most of their strength from video games. Batman isn't going to be a powerhouse because of Arkham, it will be because he is The Batman. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Personally, I'd put Vader at like Ryu/Dante kinda level, and Batman at low NN level, like Mega Man or Sonic. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/battle-hub/index.html?battle_id=58 Vader BARELY beat Diablo in the Gamespot contest. Thats enough evidence I'd need that a video game site would be anti voting these guys. 4chan was heavily screwing with results of all the GameSpot contest and in many cases anti-voted the stronger character. Those results aren't even necessarily what the Gamespot voters think. --- Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place Pokemon VGC2012 NW Regional - 16th place |
MvC2 is '"terrible"...? Anyway... It's a fighting game, look at how strong some of the Brawl characters are, MvC2 is going to give everyone a weaker boost. 1) Many of those x-men games are actually decent, and sold well. I bet anything that they would flop horribly in a games contest 2) Saying "f the only way you know the X-Men is from video games you probably aren't going to be much of a fan." is mind-boggling. Virtually no one is going to have heard of these guys from video games first. Obviously they aren't going to be getting most of their strength from video games. Batman isn't going to be a powerhouse because of Arkham, it will be because he is The Batman. Comic books are not read by everyone, heck even though the average age is in the low 20s comic books weren't even that popular back when they were kids. While characters like Batman can avoid this because he's universally known most characters are going to start off with a handicap because they need to hope people use their media type. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 43/48 Today: Link/Ganondorf |
the
only X-Men game I've ever heard anyone praise is the X-Men arcade game,
and I doubt that would do much for any of its characters! --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris |
X-Men: Children of the Atom power --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
Squall power --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
