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#151 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/24/2011 1:09:11 AM | message detail
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#152 | Yami_no_Geimu | Posted 11/24/2011 1:18:38 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 11/24/2011 3:55:36 AM | #139
MGS3, I highly recommend it.


I never got playing any of the Metal Gear games. Do I need to play the previous two to know what's going on in MGS3?
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#153 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/24/2011 1:22:37 AM | message detail
The poll option says Red vs Blue. Even if we load the pictures with Pokemon, the voter is choosing to vote for the trainers and not Charizard vs Blastoise.

Red got saddled with Brawl pics in both his matches

I'd wager he would have looked quite a bit better with some actual art from RBY/GSC instead of that clunky trainer model that, y'know, isn't even Red


That trainer model is Red. It matches his sprite in the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes.
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#154 | th3l3fty | Posted 11/24/2011 1:39:35 AM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #153
That trainer model is Red. It matches his sprite in the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes.


I haven't played through HG/SS, so I wouldn't know for sure, but... how consistent is the HG/SS sprite with the GSC sprite? when Red had his two matches, HG/SS had yet to hit the US

and considering a lot of Pokevoting seems to be fueled by nostalgia, having a 3D model from a more recent game probably isn't helping with that much
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#155 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 11/24/2011 1:57:32 AM | message detail
It's also his FireRed look.
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#156 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/24/2011 2:12:29 AM | message detail

From: Yami_no_Geimu | #152
I never got playing any of the Metal Gear games. Do I need to play the previous two to know what's going on in MGS3?


MGS3 is the first chronologically, actually, so no.

I think it goes 3, Portable Ops (total crap, just read a plot summary), Peace Walker, NES1 and 2 (summarized in MGS, don't bother), MGS1, MGS2, MGS4.
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#157 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/24/2011 2:35:08 AM | message detail
Holy cow Ryu and Ken opening a can now. R3 is back to being a toss-up in my book.
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#158 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/24/2011 3:43:17 AM | message detail
I just woke up,checked the results and see that the Fighters do exactly what they were supposed to do.So Round 3...the match will be really close,the winner will have less than 55%.
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#159 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/24/2011 3:52:10 AM | message detail
Hmm doubling Fox/Wolf is pretty impressive given what they did to Yuna. We're getting a good picture of fighters strength, Trainers are still hugely unknown. Hard to know what to expect from a team who've only played fodder and SFF games. They could be a powerhouse or get absolutely floored. Given that its Pokemon and given their vote draw capacity signs look good for them though.
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#160 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 11/24/2011 4:17:38 AM | message detail
Pretty impressive showing considering that the MK ninjas could only score 64% on a weaker Nintendo pairings. (Fox > DK)
#161 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 5:24:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
It's not really important what the pole option says. Pictures give advantages in this contest, it's a known fact. The poll option says "Solid Snake" when he gets his sprite images, but he still performs like crap. Adding in a known powerful character like Charizard will no doubt have some effect on the results, how much effect isn't really known but I'd rather see the two characters in each match face off rather than additional characters smashed in with the attempt to make the rivals look better.

Oh, and the Red in the contest definitely was Red. His name was Red, his outfit was Red and there was no real excuse for his pretty poor performances. Like I said, I do believe he is much stronger in this setting because it is a classic gaming rivalry at this point. However, Ryu is clearly the strongest overall character in the match, unless you stick in Charizard. Hence the basis of that argument.
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#162 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 11/24/2011 5:24:07 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
So an expected result today for the SF duo. Respectable show by Fox/Wolf.

I think that the Trainers will be the battle favorites next round. I think it could be a back and forth affair - the Trainers will likely have a massive, massive board vote, but the SF duo might push back overnight. But the daylight might kill their chances.

Think it will be a close match though, under 54%. And I think the winner beats Samus, especially if it's the Trainers. If the Trainers advance to Samus they should be even stronger than they were against Ryu/Ken.

I still think Ryu/Ken have a very good shot to beat the Trainers - but I have to favor the Trainers slightly now, especially because I fully expect a very biased picture. Having Zard/Blastoise in the pic shouldn't really be allowed, but them being in the picture changes things and gives the Trainers a boost.

I really don't understand the logic behind allowing the Pokemon in the picture because it really changes the dynamics of the match, but what can you do.


Can't see the winner beating Samus, as she would have outdone both their performances this round. You'll see when she roflstomps the bosses.
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#163 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 5:27:12 AM | message detail
Ridley is stronger than he once was, but he's still a liability. I personally don't think Samus will perform at her usual NN levels having to carry him. Some rivalries make characters stronger, but I don't think this is one of those instances. Definitely susceptible to defeat against a Charizard fueled Pokemon image.
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#164 | transience | Posted 11/24/2011 5:33:07 AM | message detail
Ryu and Ken are doing just well enough for the Trainers match to be completely up in the air. I expect the public sentiment to swing to the Trainers though.

the only thing I feel good about for this match is Ryu/ken > Big Boss/The Boss based on the FFX guys.
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#165 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/24/2011 5:36:26 AM | message detail
Kiddies are waking up...
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#166 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/24/2011 7:27:18 AM | message detail
Wow, some actual trends for once. This might be the most trends I've seen in a match this contest.
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#167 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 11/24/2011 7:39:33 AM | message detail
vcharon posted...
Ridley is stronger than he once was, but he's still a liability. I personally don't think Samus will perform at her usual NN levels having to carry him. Some rivalries make characters stronger, but I don't think this is one of those instances. Definitely susceptible to defeat against a Charizard fueled Pokemon image.

I don't know why people are so down on Ridley, he's not as big an asset to Samus as Bowser or even Ganondorf are to Mario and Link, but I think he's like K. Rool in that he's recognizable and iconic enough to not drag his partner down (In fact, DK might have benefited from having him as his rival, his performances don't really make it clear if he's stronger or weaker with him).

I don't even understand why the Samus upset hype from the beginning of the contest even started, I doubt she's losing to Ryu/Ken, Bosses or even boosted Red/Blue because of Ridley being an anchor.
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#168 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 11/24/2011 7:40:44 AM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
Wow, some actual trends for once. This might be the most trends I've seen in a match this contest.

Technically, all of the other matches just had static trends, as opposed to the varying trends we've seen in the past.
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#169 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/24/2011 7:49:13 AM | message detail
Hopefully the Cali kiddies can stem some of this bleeding.
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#170 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/24/2011 7:52:09 AM | message detail | (edited)
Wii_TuRtLe posted...
FateStayAlbion posted...
Wow, some actual trends for once. This might be the most trends I've seen in a match this contest.

Technically, all of the other matches just had static trends, as opposed to the varying trends we've seen in the past.


Thanks for that, Lu... oops, its Turtle.
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#171 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 11/24/2011 7:53:10 AM | message detail
Man, gotta love that Street Fighter morning vote.
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#172 | transience | Posted 11/24/2011 7:57:20 AM | message detail
no match touches the Hitler one for trends
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#173 | wg64Z | Posted 11/24/2011 7:58:19 AM | message detail
Anyone whining about Charizard/Blastoise just sounds so picky/immature/butthurt.

Seriously, pokemon are literally the trainers only weapon, and the only way they can accomplish anything in their respective games. It's just as unfair as showing Zero's sword, Ryu's Hadoken, or Mario using any kind of powerup.

It would be like showing Banjo without Kazooie (To be fair I missed that match, but I'm sure even if she was in the picture no one would care.)
#174 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 11/24/2011 8:01:01 AM | message detail
wg64Z posted...

It would be like showing Banjo without Kazooie (To be fair I missed that match, but I'm sure even if she was in the picture no one would care.)


Probably not, but it's one of those cases where the correct rivalry would've been 2 characters vs 1, as Banjo alone vs. Gruntilda admittedly doesn't make much sense.
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#175 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/24/2011 8:01:57 AM | message detail
transience posted...
no match touches the Hitler one for trends

Oh right, I forgot about that one. This one has more difference in trends of any non rally match I can think of, at least.
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#176 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/24/2011 8:20:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
wg64Z posted...
Anyone whining about Charizard/Blastoise just sounds so picky/immature/butthurt.

Seriously, pokemon are literally the trainers only weapon, and the only way they can accomplish anything in their respective games. It's just as unfair as showing Zero's sword, Ryu's Hadoken, or Mario using any kind of powerup.

It would be like showing Banjo without Kazooie (To be fair I missed that match, but I'm sure even if she was in the picture no one would care.)


I think it is more because Charizard is a different character on his own. I agree though that Charizard and Blastoise are synonymous with Red/Blue - both the games and the characters - and should be used in pics
#177 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/24/2011 8:15:22 AM | message detail | (edited)
I think its closer to having a pic of Zelda with Link also in there, or a pic of Peach with Mario in there. Not really totally fair.
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#178 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/24/2011 8:09:32 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #156
MGS3 is the first chronologically, actually, so no.

I think it goes 3, Portable Ops (total crap, just read a plot summary), Peace Walker, NES1 and 2 (summarized in MGS, don't bother), MGS1, MGS2, MGS4.


Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

You should definitely play MGS 1 and 2 first at the very least.

MGS3 may be first chronologically, but it's intended to be played after those two.

In my book, recommending that a first-timer play through a series in chronological order rather than release order is a big no-no.

Subsequent playthroughs, fine, then it's actually fun.

And Metal Gear 2 (the real one) was never released on the NES anyway. <_<
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#179 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/24/2011 8:10:48 AM | message detail
Right on time Cali kids.
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#180 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 8:24:00 AM | message detail
wg64Z posted...
Anyone whining about Charizard/Blastoise just sounds so picky/immature/butthurt.

Seriously, pokemon are literally the trainers only weapon, and the only way they can accomplish anything in their respective games. It's just as unfair as showing Zero's sword, Ryu's Hadoken, or Mario using any kind of powerup.

It would be like showing Banjo without Kazooie (To be fair I missed that match, but I'm sure even if she was in the picture no one would care.)


Characters =/= weapons. Doesn't work that way. Banjo didn't have Kazooie, by the way. Blinky didn't even have other ghosts in his image, and you could definitely argue that ALL the ghosts are what make up Pac-Man's enemies and actually deserve to be in the images.

It's false stat inflation. Charizard and Blastoise are characters, not weapons. Charizard has already shown he is one of the strongest non NN characters there is, and using him repeatedly in pictures is going to be misleading in the stats for Red/Blue.
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#181 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/24/2011 8:29:01 AM | message detail
Why should we care what their real strength is? This in all likelihood is probably the last rivalry contest, so might as well make them as strong as possible.
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#182 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 8:31:09 AM | message detail | (edited)
There was a time where this was a stats topic and people were interested in stuff like that, I dunno. I have them going all the way to Mario, and I doubt what I say will have any effect whatsoever. Just stating my opinion.
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#183 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/24/2011 8:30:32 AM | message detail
This reminds me of the steroids debate in MLB.

Entertainment vs. the Sanctity of Records. Pick a side!
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#184 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/24/2011 8:32:18 AM | message detail
I'm nominating Link's Master Sword for the next character battle
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#185 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/24/2011 8:33:27 AM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #184
I'm nominating Link's Master Sword for the next character battle


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#186 | wg64Z | Posted 11/24/2011 8:34:33 AM | message detail
Yeah, that still just came off as nothing but butthurt. If it was Charizard vs. Blastoise people would be like "Wtf they have no rivalry, the trainers do."

I'm sure there have been Link pictures riding Epona, or having Navi float around. Has Olimar ever been in the contest? I'm sure no one would have a problem with pikmin being in the picture.

Really the only issue is you are sweating because you didn't pick them, and are trying desperately to justify it.
#187 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/24/2011 8:35:03 AM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
The poll option says Red vs Blue. Even if we load the pictures with Pokemon, the voter is choosing to vote for the trainers and not Charizard vs Blastoise.

Red got saddled with Brawl pics in both his matches

I'd wager he would have looked quite a bit better with some actual art from RBY/GSC instead of that clunky trainer model that, y'know, isn't even Red

That trainer model is Red. It matches his sprite in the HeartGold/SoulSilver remakes.


I meant to bring this up earlier, but forgot - that definitely hurt Red last year. I argued it then, and I still think it's true. The trainer model is technically Red, but

1. The model is from the FR/LG remake, which many people didn't play.
2. In Brawl, where most people first saw it, he's not listed as Red, just 'Pokemon Trainer'.
3. It looks fairly significantly differently from the original, iconic, Ash-like design.

I think it hurt him to a good degree. It mostly limited his strength to Brawl. Old RBY art or a sprite would have had him doing a lot better.
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#188 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/24/2011 8:39:45 AM | message detail
I (and quite a few other B8ers) nominated Charizard vs. Blastoise. I'm disappointed they (and Tifa/Aeris) didn't get in.

But that raises a point ... seriously, did the rubbish in the vote-ins actually get more noms than Charizard/Blastoise and Tifa/Aeris, or did SBA just disallow them?
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#189 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/24/2011 8:40:59 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
I (and quite a few other B8ers) nominated Charizard vs. Blastoise. I'm disappointed they (and Tifa/Aeris) didn't get in.

But that raises a point ... seriously, did the rubbish in the vote-ins actually get more noms than Charizard/Blastoise and Tifa/Aeris, or did SBA just disallow them?


I think Bacon disallowed Tifa/Aeris, which is weird since the 'atherines got in for a love rivalry. Thats only reason I can think of why some turbo fodder got into the vote ins while Tifa/Aeris didn't.

For Charizard/Blastoise, he probably figured their trainers were enough and disallowed them.
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#190 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 11/24/2011 8:45:22 AM | message detail
...But there are series with more than one rivalry in.

I mean, Charizard/Blastoise would've deserved a spot over stuff like Dan/Sagat IMO.

I hope they weren't disallowed and simply not enough people thought of them.
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#191 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 8:47:29 AM | message detail
wg64Z posted...
Yeah, that still just came off as nothing but butthurt. If it was Charizard vs. Blastoise people would be like "Wtf they have no rivalry, the trainers do."

I'm sure there have been Link pictures riding Epona, or having Navi float around. Has Olimar ever been in the contest? I'm sure no one would have a problem with pikmin being in the picture.

Really the only issue is you are sweating because you didn't pick them, and are trying desperately to justify it.


Did you fail to read where I said I took them all the way to the semis or what?

It has nothing to do with Pokemon. If you check the Pokemon Save My games on this board, you will see I participate and enjoy Pokemon. Try a new argument. Also Olimar didn't have pikmin in his image as far as I recall.
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#192 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/24/2011 8:49:43 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
vcharon crying as usual.

It's a holiday. Can we please have a day free of this mess?

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, by the way.


I think Ryu/Ken deserve to be the favorite if one must be picked, but their match next round should be great.
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#193 | WhiteLens | Posted 11/24/2011 8:49:48 AM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #189
I think Bacon disallowed Tifa/Aeris, which is weird since the 'atherines got in for a love rivalry. Thats only reason I can think of why some turbo fodder got into the vote ins while Tifa/Aeris didn't.

For Charizard/Blastoise, he probably figured their trainers were enough and disallowed them.


It's honestly probably just them not getting much nominations.
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#194 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 8:51:31 AM | message detail | (edited)
HaRRicH posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
vcharon crying as usual.

It's a holiday. Can we please have a day free of this mess?

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, by the way.


I think Ryu/Ken deserve to be the favorite if one must be picked, but their match next round should be great.


We can, just don't talk about it. I didn't respond, and I don't plan to sour this topic with it. Also, Happy Thanksgiving.
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#195 | wg64Z | Posted 11/24/2011 8:55:35 AM | message detail
Did you fail to read where I said I took them all the way to the semis or what?


Then what the hell is your problem? Are you butthurt over the statistical intergrety of the GameFAQs Rivalry contest? I think you REALLY need to think about what you are thankful for today.
#196 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 8:57:58 AM | message detail
vcharon posted...
Just stating my opinion.
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#197 | LOLContests | Posted 11/24/2011 9:00:40 AM | message detail
Can we please keep homophobic terms like "butthurt" out of the Stats topic?
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#198 | vcharon | Posted 11/24/2011 9:02:42 AM | message detail
SuorGenoveffa posted...
...But there are series with more than one rivalry in.

I mean, Charizard/Blastoise would've deserved a spot over stuff like Dan/Sagat IMO.

I hope they weren't disallowed and simply not enough people thought of them.


I'd probably vote that rivalry as the most worthless/unnecessary one in the contest. Strength isn't really the concern, just that I don't really consider that very notable. Street Fighter really only needed its iconic rivalry. If a second one made sense, it would have to use Bison I'd think.
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#199 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/24/2011 9:04:00 AM | message detail
vcharon posted...
SuorGenoveffa posted...
...But there are series with more than one rivalry in.

I mean, Charizard/Blastoise would've deserved a spot over stuff like Dan/Sagat IMO.

I hope they weren't disallowed and simply not enough people thought of them.

I'd probably vote that rivalry as the most worthless/unnecessary one in the contest. Strength isn't really the concern, just that I don't really consider that very notable. Street Fighter really only needed its iconic rivalry. If a second one made sense, it would have to use Bison I'd think.


Chun Li/M Bison should have been the 2nd one. I'm a big Street Fighter fan and I didn't even know that Dan and Sagat had a rivalry. I thought Dan was just some joke character.
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#200 | LOLContests | Posted 11/24/2011 9:04:54 AM | message detail
Don't Chun-Li and Bison have a rivalry? That would have been decently strong.
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