GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1023
I
think Terra/Kefka would defeat Tidus/Jecht, especially if Terra/Kefka
get a match pic like the one today. Their Round 1 performance might not
be so meaningless, after all. Still, I can't say I'm confident at all
in Samus beating Bosses next round.... Ryu/Ken look pretty darn
threatening, though. I mean, if Samus/Ridley squeak by Ryu/Ken, that
means Terra/Kefka would get like, what, 65% on Yuna/Seymour? It's hard
to imagine them doing that. Of course, lol x-stats.... I sure hope the Trainers won't wreck the competition through Mario/Bowser. That would just be crazy. Samus would probably get 70% on Pokemon Traner Red alone. Unless the Charizard/Blastoise presence gave a huge boost to the Trainers, it looks like they just SFFed Luigi/Waluigi. Of course, even if you take off 10% and say that get 68% on them withut SFF, that still makes them look at least as strong Ryu/Ken. I just hope we get some great neck-and-neck matches in the next two rounds. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
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Oops, I forgot Ryu/Ken vs. Trainers happens before the winner faces Samus. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Haste_2 posted... I think Terra/Kefka would defeat Tidus/Jecht, especially if Terra/Kefka get a match pic like the one today. Their Round 1 performance might not be so meaningless, after all. Still, I can't say I'm confident at all in Samus beating Bosses next round.... Ryu/Ken look pretty darn threatening, though. I mean, if Samus/Ridley squeak by Ryu/Ken, that means Terra/Kefka would get like, what, 65% on Yuna/Seymour? It's hard to imagine them doing that. Of course, lol x-stats.... I sure hope the Trainers won't wreck the competition through Mario/Bowser. That would just be crazy. Samus would probably get 70% on Pokemon Traner Red alone. Unless the Charizard/Blastoise presence gave a huge boost to the Trainers, it looks like they just SFFed Luigi/Waluigi. Of course, even if you take off 10% and say that get 68% on them withut SFF, that still makes them look at least as strong Ryu/Ken. I just hope we get some great neck-and-neck matches in the next two rounds. SFF aside, I don't think people understand just how weak Luigi/Waluigi are. They struggled with Cecil/Golbez, so that Trainer match can't be blamed entirely on SFF --- Game of the Decade? More like Guru of the Decade mirite? |
I'm
pretty surprised to come home and see Samus not making much use of the
day vote. Wasn't FFVI always notorious for doing poorly during the day? --- :> |
Yes,
FFVI has always had among the worst day votes out there. Samus isn't
actually very good with the day, she's more neutral than anything, but
that should be enough to go up substantially against FFVI. I think
biggest factor is that as the site gets older, the day/night trends are
becoming less and less pronounced. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
I'm
not sure Terra and Kefka have their old trends anymore. Their strength
was highly altered by Dissidia, so it makes sense that their trends
would be affected as well. Dissidia helped them reach a New Square
audience, which has probably gone some way towards balancing out their
trends. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
This is a pretty abysmal day vote from Samus, even considering the holiday. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
A
sudden thought just came to me, next year marks the 10th-year
anniversary for Character Battles. You think SBAllen wold ever do
anything special for it? --- http://img.imgcake.com/whitelens/MadokaMagicaMessagejpguj.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/whitelens/MadokaThanksjpgen.jpg |
Yes, an actual Summer Contest would be nice. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
I think I underestimated the trainers, and it's going to screw my bracket >.< I have Ryu/Ken going to the semis. If they can beat the trainers, I have no doubt they'll get there. But after this round's matches, I don't think that's going to happen anymore. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
Well those of us that have Team Metroid in the semi-finals are even more screwed. --- http://www.backloggery.com/whitelens http://myanimelist.net/profile/WhiteLens |
WhiteLens posted... Well those of us that have Team Metroid in the semi-finals are even more screwed. To be fair, having Samus in the semi-finals was always a silly choice. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
From: Greyfeld | #462 No it wasn't. I'm shocked Samus hasn't gained more with the day-vote. Samus is at 65% in the US and has been there pretty much all day but still isn't gaining significant percent. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
I
think Canada is slowing down Samus's ability to go up with the day
vote, as she only has 58.47% in Canada. I wonder why Samus is doing so
bad in Canada? --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Actually Samus in the final 4 was the logical choice.But whatever I am all for Trainers now! --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Samus
was the logical choice if you believed rivalries wouldn't matter, but
if you did believe they would matter, then she was a prime suspect for
an upset because LOL Ridley --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
I'm not sure it's Samus being weak there so much as Kefka being strong there. Edit: Was replying to Luster's question. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
It's
a combination of both. Terra/Kefka seem to be a stronger duo than we
anticipated, but I don't think you would expect them to be putting up
these numbers on some of our other Noble Nine duos. Quick: Crono/Lavos vs. Terra/Kefka, who you got? --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
Crono/Lavos, obviously. but I never considered Samus/Ridley over the Snakes. --- xyzzy |
Well,
I'm just saying that it's a combination of Terra/Kefka being stronger
than we thought and Samus/Ridley just being a weak combo. Samus and
Snake are essentially equal 1-on-1, but there's definitely a sizable gap
in strength between them in this contest. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
Crono/Lavos of course. Remember Crono vs. Kefka? You don't just turn around a 79-21 result. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
That's an interesting point you bring up. What does Crono get on Kefka nowadays? --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
You don't just turn around a 79-21 result. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4546 --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
But that's a 78-22 result. Totally different...! Also, what are we expecting from the Bosses tonight? What would we consider a "Samus-threatening" performance here? --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
Crono probably gets around the same now. Would expect 75-80% --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
99% --- I wish I could wear skirts and dresses :( -GMUN |
I
don't know if I'd expect the same now. SFF power doesn't always hold
the same across years. We've already seen Link not be able to SFF as
hard nowadays as he used to, and the gap between Crono/Kefka is a good
bit closer now than it was in 2003, when it was probably bigger than
it's ever been. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
But that's a 78-22 result. Totally different...! X-stats wise, the difference is almost as large as an Ulti-style blowout. Besides, we all know that Red > Luigi and he suffered Nintendo SFF at the hands of MMX last year, because Red is the silent protagonist of RBY, the 3rd strongest RPG on the site, so he has to be strong. I refuse to admit I was wrong. Yup. Ocelot just um.......was extremely underrated thanks to Yoshi getting massive rSFF on Pac-Man. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
There is no way Crono pulls similar stuff on Kefka today. As for tomorrow, Chris Redfield lost to Pyramid Head and Kefka beat Wesker 70-30, so anything short of 75% and the Bosses don't stand a chance. ... Okay, maybe mid-60s to be a threat? Chris/Wesker are probably a bit below Terra/Kefka. --- Fight like dragons, have no fear, swords are made of STEEEEEEEEL~ |
I
don't know if I'd expect the same now. SFF power doesn't always hold
the same across years. We've already seen Link not be able to SFF as
hard nowadays as he used to, and the gap between Crono/Kefka is a good
bit closer now than it was in 2003, when it was probably bigger than
it's ever been. Uh, the gap is probably pretty close to what it was in 2003. Remember that prior to Kefka's Dissidia boost, FFVI declined fast for several years. CT was worth less than 53% on FFVI in 2004; in the 2009 contest it looked to be around 58%. So, 2009 would probably be the biggest the gap has ever been. Right now it's probably smaller than in 2003 but I wouldn't think by very much, not for Crono (Magus is a different story). SFF doesn't hold up across years, yeah, but there doesn't seem to be a way to predict whether it increases or decreases. Crono has always been worth in the 70% area on Kefka before SFF. He got 70% on Vercetti in 2005, who narrowly beat Kefka. Going from 70 to 80 was the result of the SFF, and that's pretty powerful SFF, but not Link/Ganon style SFF. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Kefka's
stronger now than he's ever been, honestly. Making comparisons between
CT and FFVI is pretty much worthless because that's not where Kefka's
new strength came from. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
I
doubt Kefka is stronger now than he was in 2003. That was the height
of Square's power on this site. I rather doubt that there are any
Square characters who are stronger now than they were in 2003. He's
closer to Crono now, yeah. Probably not by much, since he fell more
than Crono for years before Dissidia. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
If Crono puts 70% on Kefka pre-SFF, that puts him at about 60% on Bowser. That would be some result! --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
From: red sox 777 | #482 Hi Kingdom Hearts characters --- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif |
Also,
it's not really that farfetched to believe that there are Square
characters stronger now than they would've been in 2003. Being the peak
of Square power doesn't limit the peak of Square characters to that
year. Hold Kefka vs. Pac-Man right now: Who wins and by how much? --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
so in Kefka's peak year he barely beat Pac-Man interesting --- Fight like dragons, have no fear, swords are made of STEEEEEEEEL~ |
If Crono puts 70% on Kefka pre-SFF, that puts him at about 60% on Bowser. That would be some result! Crono got 57.5% when they faced off last time. 2006 was probably pretty similar to now, or slightly better for Bowser. It was a much stronger year for Nintendo. Crono declined after 2006, but then he had CTDS which seems to have restored him a little. The result now probably wouldn't go too differently from the 57.5% from then. And Crono/Kefka is probably a bit closer than 70/30 now before SFF because as I said, the gap is closer now than it's ever been, and traditionally it was around there. Kingdom Hearts.......eh, I suppose you are right on that one. But KH was only released in 2002, so there's an obvious reason for that one- it's not too too far off from saying that Lightning is stronger now than in 2003. As for Kefka/Pac-Man, I don't know who wins, but they're both weaker now than in 2003. Also, Kefka/Pac-Man was the original Lettuce Kefka match. Now that pic factor has been confirmed to make a big difference, I think we can safely say that Kefka would have won easily with a better pic. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Before SFF I would take Crono at a doubling, with SFF he's getting low to mid 70s. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 39/44 Today: Samus/Ridley |
Seriously,
man? Kefka being stronger in 2003 is complete nonsense and we all know
it. You can't possibly really believe that. Are you being facetious? And I would expect less SFF for the simple reason that Kefka's surge in strength is because of new Square fans rather than old Square fans. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
No,
I am not being facetious. People forget just how strong Square was in
2003. Much like people forget how strong Link used to be when the rail
about him always dominating everything, and that was only 2008! --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
We
don't know much about 2003 Kefka besides being even with Pac-Man. In
2004 he got 42% on Knuckles and would've got 34% on Solid Snake (the
weak one, 30% on Mega Man). By 2005 when he got his clown picture again
he was 30% on Crono. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 39/44 Today: Samus/Ridley |
We
don't know much about 2003 Kefka besides being even with Pac-Man. In
2004 he got 42% on Knuckles and would've got 34% on Solid Snake (the
weak one, 30% on Mega Man). By 2005 when he got his clown picture again
he was 30% on Crono. 30% on 2004 Megaman and 29% on 2005 Crono are very consistent performances. 30% on 04 MM was probably a bit better if I had to choose between them. You're right that we don't have any hard data for 2003, but I'd expect it to be around there. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Doesn't even look like Samus is going to get up to 61% here. Some day vote, even if it isn't a regular day. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
Pac-Man got 42% on Scorpion in 2002, who got 24% on Link. Pac-Man has never been strong, either. Basically, you have no real stats to back up Kefka 2003 being worth much. Square being generally strong that year does not mean Kefka was strong. He wasn't. You're wrong. Stop being stubborn. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
30%
on 2004 Megaman and 29% on 2005 Crono are very consistent performances.
30% on 04 MM was probably a bit better if I had to choose between them.
You're right that we don't have any hard data for 2003, but I'd expect
it to be around there. So I guess the question becomes does the Kefka that got 38% on Bowser during the day perform better than 30% against someone between today's Mega Man and Mario/Samus/Solid Snake/Sephiroth? That would put Bowser at around 40% against such a character, maybe a bit lower if you consider the night vote Kefka missed out on. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 39/44 Today: Samus/Ridley |
Basically,
you have no real stats to back up Kefka 2003 being worth much. Square
being generally strong that year does not mean Kefka was strong. He
wasn't. You're wrong. Stop being stubborn. I don't know who you are, but if you think that strongly that Kefka wasn't that strong in 2003 I invite you to bring up evidence for it. We've already established that he was up there in 2004 and 2005, both weaker years for Square than 2003, so I see no reason why he wouldn't have been that strong in 2003. So I guess the question becomes does the Kefka that got 38% on Bowser during the day perform better than 30% against someone between today's Mega Man and Mario/Samus/Solid Snake/Sephiroth? That would put Bowser at around 40% against such a character, maybe a bit lower if you consider the night vote Kefka missed out on. Mario should be a little stronger today than he was back in 2004 (2005 boost > 2008 deboost). Putting Bowser at 40% on Mario now gives around 30% for Kefka against Mario today. That ignores the day match, but most people probably think Bowser isn't quite worth 40% on Mario, so it cancels out. If Kefka was at 30% on Crono in 2004, that puts him around 32% on Mario in 2004. But that Mario was a bit weaker than this Mario. So it ends up being a push. I think we're already long past the point where random variance makes it pointless to try to be more precise. But it seems 2004 Kefka and current Kefka are in the same range. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Why
is it so hard to believe Kefka could rise since 2003 when Squall has
quite blatantly and noticeably risen since that year which was already
post-KH and so for no real reason whatsoever. Some characters and their
games age well, it isn't rocket science. Kefka was always disproportionately weak compared to how well his game did, it was a greater mystery how weak he was then compared to Crono than what he appears to be today. I don't really buy Dissidia as a reason though, who plays the PSP? >_> --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdDZFV2I1SFl4VXFDMjQ2RmJqUXJTd0E It took nearly 6 years for it to finally break 50% ownership. It may not be as good as the DS's ownership, but the PSP has really come around full circle after starting out terrible in the beginning. Over 50% ownership is pretty good for the PSP, so the odds are pretty good that at least half of those PSP owners have played Dissidia. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
Why
is it so hard to believe Kefka could rise since 2003 when Squall has
quite blatantly and noticeably risen since that year which was already
post-KH and so for no real reason whatsoever. Some characters and their
games age well, it isn't rocket science. Squall was very strong in 2003, stronger than he is now. He got 61% on Luigi that year. If he didn't look great in the stats, it's because he's behind Link/Samus SFF. --- 2002 Link, 2003 Cloud, 2004 Link, 2005 Link, 2006 Link, 2008 Link, 2010 Link, 2011 Cloud. Link 6, Cloud 2 |
Link will ALWAYS win!!!!!!!!!! --- Link's is pretty much the video game equivalent of the Jesus story. -- Yoblaser |
