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#351 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/23/2011 2:40:00 AM | message detail
I like how some are completely convinced this is a rivalry boost and some an anchor factor.
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#352 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/23/2011 2:43:44 AM | message detail
It's BOTH. I hope RB storm through this contest, we need SOMETHING fun.
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#353 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/23/2011 2:44:18 AM | message detail
Nah it's GMFOF.
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#354 | transcience | Posted 11/23/2011 2:47:23 AM | message detail
Jesus Christ. Luigi/Waluigi are not weaker than Kerrigan/Raynor so there's obviously some SFF in this match... but at the same time, this is a division-winning performance. Cecil/Golbez's admirable performance looks so bad now.
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#355 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/23/2011 2:57:30 AM | message detail
So do we think the Trainers will convincingly win the day vote? Because if so this is going to get into "stop the match he's not moving" territory around lunch time.
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#356 | SubDeity | Posted 11/23/2011 3:15:06 AM | message detail
I like how some are completely convinced this is a rivalry boost and some an anchor factor.

Man, why do people keep evading the rivalry factor when it's staring them right in the face. It was obvious the moment Red/Blue was revealed as a 1 seed that the pair was going to have a colossal rivalry boost but people keep denying it.
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#357 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/23/2011 3:19:24 AM | message detail
I like how some are completely convinced this is a rivalry boost and some an anchor factor.

those are like the same thing. One's the positive side of it and one's the negative side, but both indicate that the quality of the whole pairing is important.
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#358 | Big Bob | Posted 11/23/2011 3:38:10 AM | message detail
Go trainers! Win the contest for me!
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#359 | transience | Posted 11/23/2011 3:42:25 AM | message detail
also: there's less than 70 true perfects left on the leaderboard? 2% of the brackets out there are perfect alts. sheesh.
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#360 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 11/23/2011 3:45:33 AM | message detail
Wait. Luster has 200+ alts with perfect brackets, but is dead in the guru? lol.
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#361 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/23/2011 3:59:48 AM | message detail
I woke up and checked the results.Okay nobody expected that.I think Charizard really helps in the picture.Next round if they don't have it they shall lose I believe.So whoenever makes pictures put Charizard again!
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#362 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/23/2011 4:04:30 AM | message detail
Holy s***! This is the first interesting thing to happen all contest. So of course it happens at Luigi's expense.

A f***ing near-quadrupling is just insane, even if Waluigi really is the world's biggest anchor. You really need to have real-ass strength to pull off a performance like this against a decent character. Even f***ing Link couldn't pull it off against solo Luigi.

There's one of a few possibilities, and of course it could be some of all.

1. Waluigi is vote repellent, and thus should be in the next contest so we can get our first 90%+ result in a long time.
2. Rivalry factor is even more significant than we thought.
3. Pokemon has had yet another large boost since the last contest, possibly due to the decrease in traffic.
4. Pokemon has become the new king of SFF.

There's probably more, but just damn. This almost makes me want to get excited about the contest. Almost.
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#363 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/23/2011 4:22:46 AM | message detail
I'm not convinced this is a hugely significant result. It's not the first SFF blowout to 80% we've seen this contest, it was already established in the last round that the Luigi/Waluigi duo had horrible strength be it for rivalry reasons or the Waluigi anchor. Was always going to be inevitable that it'd be bottom of the Nintendo hierarchy for getting SFF'd. You don't need to be the king of anything to smash an entity containing Waluigi, lets be fair.
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#364 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/23/2011 4:30:48 AM | message detail

From: MoogleKupo141 | #357
I like how some are completely convinced this is a rivalry boost and some an anchor factor.

those are like the same thing. One's the positive side of it and one's the negative side, but both indicate that the quality of the whole pairing is important.


Ones focused on the combined strength of the two entities, the other the in-game relationship. They aren't really the same thing, ones interpreting people voting on matches as a tag team, the other on the rivalry. The idea of an anchor doesn't exist in a rivalry since its a single relationship existing only by its combined sides, its totally separate.
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#365 | SubDeity | Posted 11/23/2011 4:45:32 AM | message detail
2. Rivalry factor is even more significant than we thought.

I don't think it's necessarily that the entire factor is a lot stronger than thought, but I do think that Red/Blue have a rivalry factor leaps and bounds ahead of any other pair. There are other prominent rivalries out there, but this one has several distinguishing factors:

1. The rivalry is the biggest thread in the game's plot.
2. Both characters are largely defined by the rivalry...Red has essentially no personality and Blue's character amounts to "that dick rival of yours."
3. The characters are genuine, pure rivals, not merely antagonists. The biggest rivalry boosts all have this trait.
4. Blue is straight up referred to as "your Rival" by most people because you can choose how to name him. This combined with the first game's popularity has made the pair the archetypal game rivalry; if you asked people out of nowhere to name a game rivalry Red v. Blue would probably be the most-named one. This gives them a bit of a cultural cache, similar to how Super Mario Bros. gets a significant respect boost due to its influence on the industry.
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#366 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/23/2011 5:09:31 AM | message detail
The biggest reason is that it has Charizard in the picture.I mean he is one of the top 3 recognizable Pokemon(Pikachu,Charizard,Mewtwo).
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#367 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/23/2011 5:21:42 AM | message detail
I don't really think being recognisable has ever been a problem for Pokemon.
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#368 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/23/2011 5:23:42 AM | message detail
Yeah but there are 649 Pokemon.I am pretty sure that most of them are known only to fans.But Pikachu and Charizard are known to non fans too.Also are there any matches on contests where the winner had above 90,01%?I can't remember...
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#369 | Silent_Alarm | Posted 11/23/2011 5:35:56 AM | message detail
I picked Luigi/Waluigi here (pre-contest, of course), meaning this is by far my most embarrassing result in terms of picking the wrong side of a blowout. My previous worst was taking Vercetti over Megaman in 2003, and that was a GTA fanboy pick...
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#370 | wg64Z | Posted 11/23/2011 6:07:22 AM | message detail
Wow

I'm REALLY loving my Red/Blue final four pick right now.

I don't know about you guys, but the second I saw them in this contest I knew immediately that only an A-Lister would be able to take them down. I have them overtaking Samus.
#371 | Achromatic | Posted 11/23/2011 6:27:30 AM | message detail
Funny thing is they could bleed all day and this would still be an amazing result.
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#372 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/23/2011 7:41:01 AM | message detail
By the way what most people have for the winner of this divison?Trainers or Ruy?What about the gurus?I am asking because I believe that most had Ruy right?So if they have him and Trainers win we will lose a lot of perfects and that would be good for the contest.
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#373 | junk_funk | Posted 11/23/2011 7:41:20 AM | message detail
At most 69 perfect brackets and 22 of them are Gurus. That's pretty good.
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#374 | junk_funk | Posted 11/23/2011 7:42:56 AM | message detail
Safer Sephiroth 777 posted...
By the way what most people have for the winner of this divison?Trainers or Ruy?What about the gurus?

Gurus went with Ryu/Ken. It's officially goin to be a hot topic for the battle bracket though.
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#375 | junk_funk | Posted 11/23/2011 7:47:11 AM | message detail
They didn't need it for this match, but I'm currently of the opinion that they will need a Zard/Blast pic from here on out to win any more matches.
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#376 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2011 7:56:35 AM | message detail
Between the perfect gurus Ryu/Ken are favoured 13-9, either way that match is going to have a good chunk of perfects falling then you have the southwest division which is 12-7-2-1 for Frog, Alucard, GlaDOS and Phoenix.

In terms of perfect buster Dante winning would probably eliminate the most (currently 19-3).
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#377 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2011 8:16:29 AM | message detail
Dunno if it's been brought up (you expect me to READ), but the Trainers are also outdrawing the Mario/Ike match by almost 2000 votes right now, and both matches are pure Nintendo. Trainers are just ****ing beasts. After this, are any of the perfect battlers out there still willing to risk it on Ryu/Ken?
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#378 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2011 8:19:09 AM | message detail
Pokemon always brought in the vote totals, Red/Blue outdrew all other night matches by about 2500 votes last round
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#379 | TRE Public Account | Posted 11/23/2011 8:19:51 AM | message detail
Ones focused on the combined strength of the two entities, the other the in-game relationship. They aren't really the same thing, ones interpreting people voting on matches as a tag team, the other on the rivalry. The idea of an anchor doesn't exist in a rivalry since its a single relationship existing only by its combined sides, its totally separate.

When people talk about anchors, they mean the rivalry created by the addition of the second character is weaker than the stronger of the two characters. I guess you don't use it like that since you don't believe in rivalry factor but that's how others are using it.
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#380 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2011 8:20:16 AM | message detail
Them boys been TRAININ for this
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#381 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/23/2011 8:30:16 AM | message detail
The trainers also outdrew 6/16 day matches
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#382 | The_Djoker | Posted 11/23/2011 9:08:05 AM | message detail
I'm confused....why are Ryu/Ken Favourites? I can't see anything other than a comfortable pokemon win.
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#383 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2011 9:12:38 AM | message detail
No one expected this level of Trainer domination today, and we also have proof that Charizard/Blastoise pics are on the table. I think if you poll the topic right now, opinions on the Trainers/Fighters match will be significantly different than it was 12 hours ago.
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#384 | The_Djoker | Posted 11/23/2011 9:18:29 AM | message detail
Charizard/Blastoise probably adds about 5% at most. I kind of expected over 70% because Luigi/Walugi is an absolute abysmal rivalry. Big SFF but I say Pokemon wins next round 55-45 at least

I'm actually regretting picking samus over them trainers. I mean after Other M people might be turned off by it.
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#385 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 11/23/2011 9:24:07 AM | message detail
When you account for SFF, and Waluigi being lousy, this puts them around X/Zero levels. Higher than I was expecting, but still not enough to beat Ryu/Ken.
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#386 | TRE Public Account | Posted 11/23/2011 9:40:11 AM | message detail
Is X/Zero even below Ryu/Ken to begin with? If so, I don't think they are that far down.
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#387 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/23/2011 9:40:54 AM | message detail
I would've taken X/Zero over Ryu/Ken pre-contest and still would.
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#388 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2011 9:51:47 AM | message detail
X/Zero > Ryu/Ken. I didn't realize that match was even that debatable.....
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#389 | Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 11/23/2011 9:56:17 AM | message detail
What?

Am I the only one that thinks Ryu/Ken are the single biggest recipients of Rivalry Factor in the bracket?
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#390 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 11/23/2011 10:05:55 AM | message detail
X/Zero are probably getting a lot of rivalry factor too. And then consider:
X > Ryu
Zero > Ken, and is far closer to Ryu than he is to Ken. It's possible that Zero could even beat Ryu if we believe he got an MvC3 boost, since he probably wasn't that much below Ryu in the first place and it exposed him to a new audience.
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#391 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2011 10:08:27 AM | message detail
Zero is probably around that Ryu/Dante level anyway. Auron beat Zero easily, but he'd beat all three of them easily.
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#392 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/23/2011 10:10:37 AM | message detail
And nothing is getting a bigger boost this contest than the Trainers filling up every picture with bonus characters and ridiculous RBY nostalgia. If I'm lucky enough to ride my perfect out until R3, I'm easily risking it all on the trainers. I'm really confident that they'll beat Ryu/Ken now.
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#393 | The_Djoker | Posted 11/23/2011 10:18:29 AM | message detail
Ryu/Ken is an awesome rivalry on paper, but I wouldn't put it above Scorpion/Sub Zero.
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#394 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/23/2011 10:20:23 AM | message detail
Just imagine the sprite round with the image from RBY when you get your first Pokemon and Blue walks in.
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#395 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/23/2011 10:25:14 AM | message detail
All this match has made me do is regret picking Bosses > trainers in the quarters >_>
#396 | paerarru | Posted 11/23/2011 10:32:10 AM | message detail | (edited)
:votes:

Dayum.

This is Rivalry, Anchor, SuperSFF, Pic (it convinced me!), you name it.

Man Waluigi is toxically ugly. Not even you guys like him!

Oh and cheers, a fun, interesting result, finally! :)

...poor Luigi!! X)

Oh man. Contest gold.
#397 | whatisurnameplz | Posted 11/23/2011 10:55:01 AM | message detail | (edited)
I'd say that the trainers are lock for their division unless the SFF here is big enough to give the trainers 20%+

edit: Actually, I take that back. I think the trainers are only doing this good due to SFF. Even if the SFF only gives them 5% the trainers don't beat ryu/ken by much.
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#398 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2011 11:06:43 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #377
After this, are any of the perfect battlers out there still willing to risk it on Ryu/Ken?


As long as Ryu/Ken don't go out and completely lay an egg tomorrow, yes.

I have a feeling that all the Perfect Battlers will be drinking the Poketrainer Kool-Aid, so I'll take the risk.
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#399 | IloveYoda | Posted 11/23/2011 11:11:57 AM | message detail

From: whatisurnameplz | #397
I'd say that the trainers are lock for their division unless the SFF here is big enough to give the trainers 20%+

edit: Actually, I take that back. I think the trainers are only doing this good due to SFF. Even if the SFF only gives them 5% the trainers don't beat ryu/ken by much.


I ran some stats, and assuming Luigi and Ratchet didn't tank too badly from last contest, the SFF here would have to be more than 11% in order for Ryu/Ken to still be favored by the x-stats.
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#400 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/23/2011 11:13:44 AM | message detail
If Ryu/Ken go above a doubling I'd be very wary of throwing all my chips on Pokemon (should I still be perfect).
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