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#351 | junk_funk | Posted 11/20/2011 12:35:46 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Red/Blue is hero-villain as well.

No it's not.
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#352 | FFDragon | Posted 11/20/2011 12:47:23 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
You realize RE games before RE4 aren't very popular, right?

wat

All of the versions of RE1 have sold well over five million and RE2 is Capcom's third best seller of all time. RE3 is number six at 3.5 million, so it's not too far behind either.
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#353 | Achromatic | Posted 11/20/2011 12:50:23 PM | message detail

From: FFDragon | #352
LeonhartFour posted...
You realize RE games before RE4 aren't very popular, right?

wat

All of the versions of RE1 have sold well over five million and RE2 is Capcom's third best seller of all time. RE3 is number six at 3.5 million, so it's not too far behind either.


Sales figures do not equal popularity.
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#354 | RPGLord95 | Posted 11/20/2011 12:51:13 PM | message detail
Sales = Popularity

Wii Sports won game of the decade as I recall
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#355 | AppreciateTrees | Posted 11/20/2011 12:52:23 PM | message detail
Sales figures do not equal popularity.

Well.. They are also critically acclaimed and have a loyal fan base.
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#356 | ZFS | Posted 11/20/2011 12:55:44 PM | message detail
FFDragon posted...
All of the versions of RE1 have sold well over five million and RE2 is Capcom's third best seller of all time. RE3 is number six at 3.5 million, so it's not too far behind either.

I think he was specifically referring to GameFAQs, which is accurate as far as this site is concerned. The non-RE4 games aren't too popular here.
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#357 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 12:56:28 PM | message detail
We've previously established Frog/Magus have a better relationship and come from a bigger game

Frog/Magus is such a great pairing, and very interesting case. They lift each other up. Compare to Crono/Lavos! Lavos is basically a huge dead weight. Crono held his own there. Clearly the pairing matters.

Should we have a Sidekicks Contest...?
#358 | FFDragon | Posted 11/20/2011 12:58:13 PM | message detail
Wii Sports doesn't count, it was a package deal tbqhhhhhh.

Sales don't equal popularity, but they aren't negligible either. If Leon just means GFaqs then okay maybe, but as said there are the sales, critical acclaim, and fanbase to back things up in the 'real world.'
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#359 | ZFS | Posted 11/20/2011 12:59:20 PM | message detail
Yeah, outside of GameFAQs, Resident Evil is hugely popular, one of the most popular series in gaming even.
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#360 | LOLContests | Posted 11/20/2011 1:00:11 PM | message detail
Every Resident Evil game we have seen in a contest has looked well above the fodder line.
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#361 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 1:01:50 PM | message detail
I think it's more that Crono is just a far stronger character than Frog and Magus. Crono is worth at least a doubling on either of them without SFF. If it were a 4-way poll, Solid/Liquid would go substantially higher on Frog/Magus than Crono/Lavos, or Crono alone for that matter in a 3-way. Rivalry factor makes it closer in this format, or even possibly flips it- though that's looking unlikely after round 1.
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#362 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/20/2011 1:07:09 PM | message detail
Let's keep in mind that Resident Evil obliterates most series in cosplay volume, which is a metric I have recently utilized in gauging... most things in life, actually.
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#363 | Achromatic | Posted 11/20/2011 1:09:01 PM | message detail

From: FFDragon | #358
Wii Sports doesn't count, it was a package deal tbqhhhhhh.

Sales don't equal popularity, but they aren't negligible either. If Leon just means GFaqs then okay maybe, but as said there are the sales, critical acclaim, and fanbase to back things up in the 'real world.'


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#364 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 1:10:27 PM | message detail
Well SFF would be big in such a 4-way, much against CT. Or are you talking about a rivalries 4 way? Well, much the same actually.
#365 | FFDragon | Posted 11/20/2011 1:10:30 PM | message detail
Resident Evil has a Best Ass in Gaming finalist, which clearly proves something or other.
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#366 | LOLContests | Posted 11/20/2011 1:12:28 PM | message detail
Who cares about sales? RE2 is worth 40% on Goldeneye here. That's definitely better than "not too popular."
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#367 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 1:16:39 PM | message detail
Well SFF would be big in such a 4-way, much against CT. Or are you talking about a rivalries 4 way? Well, much the same actually.

Yes, LFF would amplify the effect a lot. Crono alone could probably bring in north of 40% in a 3-way with Snake and Liquid. Frog and Magus I'd guess would probably be stuck around 30%, with Solid Snake going north of 50% by himself.

But even without the LFF, Crono is probably slightly stronger than Frog and Magus combined.
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#368 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 1:23:02 PM | message detail
Crono alone could probably bring in north of 40% in a 3-way with Snake and Liquid.

And he did, basically! :)

Yeah, we're not disagreeing, man. On the contrary. The two points do not exclude each other. But I see what you mean. I also don't think it's a big deal. Just another factor. Probably not fully understood yet.
#369 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 1:42:30 PM | message detail
Hrm.

Luigi/Waluigi vs. Fox/Wolf: Who you got?
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#370 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 1:42:55 PM | message detail
Fox/Wolf. Actually a good rivalry.
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#371 | greatone10 | Posted 11/20/2011 2:09:47 PM | message detail
Luigi/Waluigi's best case scenario is not getting into Nintendo matches really. Rivalry factor + SFF is not a recipe for success here, as I think the Trainers will prove.
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#372 | The Real Truth | Posted 11/20/2011 4:06:41 PM | message detail
These vote totals suck.
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#373 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/20/2011 4:08:20 PM | message detail

From: The_Djoker | #298
Square to take the series in acclaimed directions afterward.


You mean they should have had boring turn based system with random battles for future ff games??

Ffx is popular because of the story. The gameplay sucked. Xii and 13 had better gameplay but 12 had a crap story and 13 had crap characters and was linear as hell.


I maintain that 10 was more linear than 13.

This is why I rank 12 so highly, it at least had SOME semblance of exploration, and a world and plot that were interesting. Something that 10 and 13 were severely lacking. Sure the cast suffered from suckitis, but we haven't seen a good overall cast since FF7 (or FFT, if it came out first) and will probably never see one again.
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#374 | creativename | Posted 11/20/2011 4:08:42 PM | message detail
Sonic/Knuckles would without question be stronger than Sonic/Robotnik. I'm surprised people are trying to debate that.
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#375 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/20/2011 4:12:15 PM | message detail
Man, looks like we won't anything even remotely interesting until Sora/Dante.

And after that, MAYBE Sub/Scorp vs X/Zero.

Barring Cloud > Link, I can't see any upsets at all for the rest of the contest happening.

At least it looks like Sonic might manage to put up a decent performance on Mario.
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#376 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/20/2011 4:15:22 PM | message detail
One little point I'll take from this match: if Sonic/Robotnik are taking a good boost from their rivalry (as would seem to be the case), then that makes the 'atherines 26% better than it looked... which in turn makes the Bosses look better.
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#377 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/20/2011 4:17:11 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #375
Barring Cloud > Link, I can't see any upsets at all for the rest of the contest happening.


I think you're being too quick to write off that Trainers/Fighters/Bosses/Samuses gauntlet. I can see Samus winning that or being weakest of the four, and I think by the time we get to it, Pokemon vs. Street Fighter will be very up in the air.
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#378 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 4:17:46 PM | message detail
Who is the Guru favorite for that pack? I think Ryu/Ken is the favorite in this topic.
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#379 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/20/2011 4:21:10 PM | message detail
Fighters - 58%
Pokemon - 37%

Ryu/Ken are pretty good favorites, although most people taking the Trainers there also have them beating Samus next round.
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#380 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 4:22:23 PM | message detail
Er I meant who is the overall favorite for the 4-pack. Samus seems to have almost no support in this topic, so I wouldn't have thought she was the Guru favorite.
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#381 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/20/2011 4:26:53 PM | message detail
Actually, far more Gurus have the Trainers beating Samus than have Ryu/Ken doing it, which is impressive given Ryu/Ken are pretty big favorites in that division final.

Pokemon Trainers have 82 backers to win the division and 58 to reach the final four.
Street Fighters have 128 backers to win the division but only 26 to reach the final four.

Basically...

20% of Ryu/Ken supporters have them beating Samus
70% of Red/Blue supporters have them beating Samus

That's amazing.
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#382 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 4:27:47 PM | message detail
So Red/Blue supporters actually believe in rivalry factor, Ryu/Ken supporters just picked the strongest character.
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#383 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/20/2011 4:30:22 PM | message detail
Seems that way, more or less. I was actually in the Samus camp until SBAllen confirmed that Charizard/Blastoise pics were fair game (he confirmed that just hours before lockdown). I switched to the Trainers in the last hour.
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#384 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 4:32:03 PM | message detail
Also, this is the least excitement I've ever seen for a mainline Zelda game. Link is so doomed.
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#385 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/20/2011 4:32:26 PM | message detail
....What? If anything, Ryu/Ken are probably the biggest benefactor of the rivalry factor in the contest. There's no way they're losing to the trainers.

Bosses are considerably weaker than Samus, and The Boss is as much a dead weight as Ridley is (not sure why everyone is crapping on the Samus/Ridley rivalry, it's pretty prominent in all the Metroid games).

Likewise there's no way I can see Samus losing to Ryu/Ken.

People hyping up that "gauntlet" are just reaching for an upset. If we get any results other than Samus > Ryu, I'll eat my hat.
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#386 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/20/2011 4:34:58 PM | message detail
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#387 | pjbasis | Posted 11/20/2011 4:37:58 PM | message detail

From: junk_funk | #351
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Red/Blue is hero-villain as well.

No it's not.


No he's right.

I mean I'm sure he means "main protagonist/main antagonist" anyway. Giovanni is certaintly more villainous, but Blue is the much bigger threat to the player's goal. And final boss cred.
#388 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/20/2011 4:43:38 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #343
I dunno, we saw Knuckles go 50/50 with Magus and Robotnik go 50/50 with Sin in the same year. We also saw Robotnik perform about equally on Ganondorf as Ansem (although you can blame Bacondorf for an Ansem overperformance, if you like).

I know Magus was overrated and all, but I don't think he was bottoming out against Sin yet!


Pretty pointless to make comparisons really. The villain contest is parodied for a reason, for a starter there has been weirdness and overperformances in just about every Sonic vs Nintendo game ever. It's highly likely Robotnik was the victim of some sizable SFF there as Sonic was to Link last year. The whole Sin & Master Hand stuff isn't as bad as it sounds. Those were the representatives of FFX and SSBM at a time when those games were king on the site so its hard to say if they were getting the sort of fanbase boost within context that we saw from Ganon, Zelda and Tifa later on.

Far too much uncertainty over Robotnik to say anything definite about him. His performances in the rivalry and the fact he was nominated ahead of Knuckles and Shadow suggests he's stronger than he's credited. There's only really 3 villain contest matches to base him on, one which was SFF and two against characters we never saw again.
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#389 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 5:17:16 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #382
So Red/Blue supporters actually believe in rivalry factor, Ryu/Ken supporters just picked the strongest character.


I have Ryu/Ken going to the semifinals, so I'm not sure what you're talking about!

But people getting Pokefear or going Pokecrazy with the Trainers isn't all that surprising! That's just the nature of a large chunk of Board 8 nowadays.
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#390 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 5:19:44 PM | message detail

From: __Smurf__ | #388
Those were the representatives of FFX and SSBM at a time when those games were king on the site so its hard to say if they were getting the sort of fanbase boost within context that we saw from Ganon, Zelda and Tifa later on.


I don't think there was any more "series voting" in the Villains Contest than you would find in a normal contest. You can argue Ganon/Robotnik SFF and I won't really argue too hard against it because the evidence for Nintendo/Sonic SFF exists, certainly.

But there's really no reason to discredit Robotnik/Sin as a legit performance.

Well, not in a way that's favorable for Robotnik anyway. With a balanced picture, Sin probably beats Robotnik.
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#391 | LOLContests | Posted 11/20/2011 5:24:02 PM | message detail
If Red/Blue beat Ryu/Ken it'll be because Blue beats Ken more than Ryu beats Red. It won't be because they benefited from rivalry factor (although they could beat Samus because of that), because that goes to Ryu/Ken. Any argument otherwise just ignores video game history and culture.
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#392 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/20/2011 5:28:20 PM | message detail
If Red/Blue beats Ryu/Ken it's because being from what might be the third-most popular game on the site means more than being from a historic fighting game series. Alternatively, DAT YOOTH DE-BOOST hurts Ryu/Ken because they lose STREET FIGHTAH FO!
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#393 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 5:45:15 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #392
Alternatively, DAT YOOTH DE-BOOST hurts Ryu/Ken because they lose STREET FIGHTAH FO!


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#394 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 5:55:41 PM | message detail
So, this match literally hasn't been above 60.42% or below 62.25% since 10 A.M.
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#395 | Pizzaknight | Posted 11/20/2011 6:09:51 PM | message detail | (edited)
If anything, a "youth de-boost" would hurt Pokemon more than it would hurt Street Fighter.
#396 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 6:10:50 PM | message detail
I have Ryu/Ken going to the semifinals, so I'm not sure what you're talking about!

You're not most Ryu/Ken backers who have him over the Trainers.
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#397 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 6:31:06 PM | message detail
Hmm...I wonder what Sonic's prediction percentage will be here. It'll be interesting to see how many people bit on Kirby.

Probably not many though!
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#398 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/20/2011 6:49:07 PM | message detail
I think Sonic should have over 60% for this round.
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#399 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/20/2011 6:51:09 PM | message detail
Sonic usually gets underestimated so I have him in the low 60s.
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#400 | LOLContests | Posted 11/20/2011 6:53:15 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic had 80% prediction for this round.
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