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#301 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 11/20/2011 4:22:36 AM | message detail
Well, Mario better watch out next round... not.
This bracket just has so much wasted potential. Sonic, Megaman and Crono, 3 noble niners going out before the quarterfinals, without any chance of an upset or close match. I could even add Snake to that list, but some people seem to be hyping the Snake>Cloud train. *shrugs*
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#302 | Achromatic | Posted 11/20/2011 4:24:14 AM | message detail
After Crono put up a valiant fight against the Snakes I think they are dead in the water too.
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#303 | pirate109 | Posted 11/20/2011 5:16:15 AM | message detail
So I was slightly uncomfortable about taking Sonic this match but I clearly overestimated Kirby. Anyway for the battle it should be easy to go perfect until Sora/Riku vs Dante/Vergil now. That looks like a match I will have to bank; what do you guys think about it?
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#304 | transcience | Posted 11/20/2011 5:35:39 AM | message detail
oh I went with Sonic. I just thought this would be really close and whoops.

FFX strikes me as a very important RPG in the same way that FF7 is. people were playing catchup for years afterwards.
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#305 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 5:44:37 AM | message detail
Wasn't FF7 released on PSN this year or last year can't remember,and broke a record for downloads?People like it.I mean there are 2 things that people want from Square-Enix now,Kingdoms Hearts 3 and a remake of FF 7.Now for Sora-Riku/Dante-Vergil Sora-Riku is the favorite because they don't get antivoted,rallying doesn't work against them and the ASV does wonders for them.Still Dante-Vergil have a change.
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#306 | pjbasis | Posted 11/20/2011 5:46:52 AM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #305
Sora-Riku is the favorite because they don't get antivoted


hm
#307 | The_Djoker | Posted 11/20/2011 6:22:16 AM | message detail
This is my final 8 bracket

Mario Bowser > Scorpion/SubZero
SamusRid>Pokemon Trainers
LinkGanon>Frrogmagus
Cloud>SoraRiku

Mario>Samus
Cloud>Link

Cloud>Mario

I actually have Link losing to Cloud. Main reason is this is Rival Battle and if we add strengths of both characters then on paper Cloud/seph>Link/Ganon

Ganon is really weak, he would lose to characters like Tifa/Vincent who are a tier below seph/cloud. Of course people say Link is favourite and i'm cool with that but this is a risk i'm willing to take. I really think ganon hurts link in that battle. I wish Mario was in the same bracket as Cloud though because i don't see why those rivalry meet before Final. It's like an anticlimax. I agree with the guy who said the top bracket is really crap.
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#308 | Achromatic | Posted 11/20/2011 6:24:23 AM | message detail
Yeah not like Link/Ganon have history as a rivalry or anything lol
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#309 | Guess how many teens | Posted 11/20/2011 7:19:32 AM | message detail
There will probably be around 100 perfect battle brackets left on Sora/Dante. If you want to win, no banking there. If you just want a really good score, prolly a decent match to bank on.
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#310 | -Tofa7- | Posted 11/20/2011 7:28:28 AM | message detail
Sonic at 80% in the UK. The love he gets from there never ceases to amaze me.
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#311 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/20/2011 7:40:32 AM | message detail
We don't have a single semi-debatable match until Phoenix/Alucard, do we
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#312 | transcience | Posted 11/20/2011 7:53:48 AM | message detail
I'm curious to see how Red/Blue does, but otherwise yeah. battle brackets are going to be safe for quite a while. I think anybody that's not perfect at this point is pretty much done for unless you missed early and can run the table the entire way.
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#313 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/20/2011 7:54:02 AM | message detail
I'm completely torn on the Sora/Dante match. On one hand, KH hasn't looked good since the end of the 4-ways, and hasn't had any reason to improve, while Dante was pretty much equal to Ryu last time around, and (U)MvC3 has hit since. But on the other, Dante struggles with strong competition, KH is much bigger than DMC here, and if the match is close the KH crowd, buoyed by a powerful ASV, will surely see them through. So there are only two outcomes: Dante/Vergil win comfortably, or they lose. The problem for me is that I think Dante/Vergil might just be able to do it.

I think I'll end up choosing based on the match picture - if Dante/Vergil have a strong pic advantage I'll go with them, otherwise with Sora/Riku.
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#314 | Guess how many teens | Posted 11/20/2011 7:54:21 AM | message detail
I don't think Alucard/phoenix is really debatable.

I'd say Glados/Frog is more debatable.
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#315 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/20/2011 8:00:39 AM | message detail
I love how everyone is underestimating the Trainers because they don't like Pokemon. And lol Link losing this contest when the GOTD just released today.
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#316 | Guess how many teens | Posted 11/20/2011 8:10:28 AM | message detail
Trainers will fall to Samus, MAYBE to Mario.

Anyone saying they go out sooner or what?
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#317 | abdou | Posted 11/20/2011 8:13:51 AM | message detail
GranzonEx posted...
I love how everyone is underestimating the Trainers because they don't like Pokemon. And lol Link losing this contest when the GOTD just released today.


XDDDD

Skyrim has been out for nine days
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#318 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/20/2011 8:15:16 AM | message detail
Trainers losing to Ryu/Ken seems to be the consensus, but to most people it's a toss-up.
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#319 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/20/2011 8:24:01 AM | message detail
DK doesn't have a chance against subby. Does he? Worried for some reason. Nintendofear I guess
#320 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/20/2011 8:38:39 AM | message detail

From: abdou | #317
XDDDD

Skyrim has been out for nine days


Not even close.
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#321 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 9:04:17 AM | message detail
DK shall lose.Ninja guys are really strong and MK 9 gave them much power.
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#322 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 9:10:17 AM | message detail
charmander6000’s Prediction: Kirby/Meta Knight wins, 51.05% - 48.95%

Dude. This must be the worst prediction you've made in a long while, cuz I know you're usually very good. Is it?

Man you guys really love your Nintendo. Tsk.
#323 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 9:18:21 AM | message detail
Some of the crew supported Kirby too.I don't know why but this result wasn't expected by anyone.I guess people really like Sonic?
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#324 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 9:32:34 AM | message detail
I don't know why but this result wasn't expected by anyone.

You mean Sonic winning or Sonic stomping poor Kirby's face...?
#325 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 9:34:59 AM | message detail
Sonic winning was expected yeah.But even 60% was high.And now he is above 62% and he will surpass it too!
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#326 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 9:51:51 AM | message detail
Nod. I thought it'd be closer. Still, not that much.
#327 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/20/2011 10:04:51 AM | message detail
Kirby/MK just got out-rivalry'd, even if MK's reasonably stronger than Dr. Robotnik. Whoever said Dr. Robotnik-fights were better than Bowser-fights was spot-on -- they're one of my favorite parts of the series.
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#328 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/20/2011 10:27:39 AM | message detail
I thought the Kirby/Meta Knight rivalry was more liked than the Sonic/Robotnik rivalry. So instead of going six points my way it went six points the other way.
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#329 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 10:43:58 AM | message detail | (edited)
Nod. Man I despise Sonic and everything about him, while Kirby's alright, but it's still freaking Sonic. I guess he just has to re-establish his credentials as one of the NN now and then. They keep freaking rebooting him over and over after all. And Robotnik is Sonic's enemy, I mean... it wasn't gonna be that close. F***** is too well established.

Where do you think some possible upsets lie in this round? The one I'm most worried about (because I didn't pick it, not that that matters) is Dante beating Sora.

I mean, Alucard and Frog are both winning, I'm sure.
#330 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 10:56:57 AM | message detail
Sora/Dante only.All the others are a lock.
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#331 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 11:14:05 AM | message detail | (edited)
I think so, too.

DK doesn't have a chance against subby. Does he? Worried for some reason. Nintendofear I guess

Nah. I completely understand you, though. I actually thought DK would win in the beginning. I'm traumatized.
#332 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 11:09:43 AM | message detail
I think the fact that Sonic/Robotnik is main hero vs. main villain probably helps them out more than Kirby/Meta Knight. While they're cool and all individually, they don't really have any epic clashes as rivals. Revenge of Meta Knight is an awesome game, but the fight against Meta Knight isn't all that great other than the cool effect of Meta Knight waiting for you to pick up the sword before he will attack you.

I remember somebody speculating that Frog/Magus may not do as well because it's not main character vs. main villain, and perhaps they were right.
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#333 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/20/2011 11:16:07 AM | message detail
Think people aren't really crediting Robotnik enough tbh. In all fairness to him in the villain contest he did wind up the victor in a 4-pack containing the villains of FFIX, SSBM and FFX so y'know even if they're not the strongest representatives ever he was still beating the representatives of very, very strong brands. His defeat to Ganon was probably SFF masked more than we realized at the time.

The Sonic/Robotnik rivalry may not be the best but I'd say its a fairly iconic and well established one that strikes the voters as relevant against lesser competition. Lets be realistic, to the masses the Kirby/MK duo are cute Smash Bros characters, they hold zero significance in the rivalry stakes. Good result although a reminder of what a waste bracket positioning here is, Sonic/Robotnik could probably make an claim to beat absolutely anyone else in the bracket bar teams Mario, Cloud and Link. The overperformance is pretty insignificant here, Sonic is too tightly linked with Mario support for any sort of upset hope unless that one inexplicable Shadow the Hedgehog match repeats itself.
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#334 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/20/2011 11:16:09 AM | message detail
I don't think that's a blanket-case statement. X/Zero would crush X/Sigma even if Zero wasn't way stronger. Ryu/Ken>Ryu/Akuma, ect.

It depends on the pairing. Kirby/MK really isn't special.
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#335 | paerarru | Posted 11/20/2011 11:24:33 AM | message detail | (edited)
I think the fact that Sonic/Robotnik is main hero vs. main villain probably helps them out more than Kirby/Meta Knight.

Nod. I think this is a good point on the whole villains debate. In fact I'm banking on it in the case of Link, even.

It depends on the pairing.

Okay, yeah, that might be a more accurate statement. Still, they're related.
#336 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 11:18:03 AM | message detail
Well, there are exceptions.

I still think Sonic/Knuckles would be better than Sonic/Robotnik. I'm just saying that Sonic/Robotnik being a "classic" rivalry and being main hero vs. main villain probably gives it a boost over a not-so-big-deal rivalry like Kirby/Meta Knight.

Akuma isn't the main villain of SF anyway!
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#337 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/20/2011 11:24:16 AM | message detail
Not so sure on Sonic/Knuckles being better. The Knuckles rivalry really isn't that advertised or important. It's a one-game deal in a long, long series where Robotnik is always an antagonist.
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#338 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 11:29:27 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #337
The Knuckles rivalry really isn't that advertised or important. It's a one-game deal


In probably the most popular game in the series and from the more popular half of the series. I wouldn't really say it's not all that advertised either! It's a pretty big focal point in Sonic 3 and S&K!

(Yes, if S3&K were allowed as one entrant, it'd be stronger than Sonic 2)
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#339 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/20/2011 11:30:30 AM | message detail
I think you're overestimating how big S3&K is and how strong Knuckles is anyway. He isn't that much stronger than Robobutt to begin with.
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#340 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 11:33:21 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #339
I think you're overestimating how big S3&K is


Nah, I really don't think I am. It'd be the most popular game in the series as one entrant. Knuckles wouldn't be the 2nd most popular character in the series if those games weren't popular. He's certainly not popular because of the 3-D games!

how strong Knuckles is anyway. He isn't that much stronger than Robobutt to begin with.


I think he's a good bit stronger than Robotnik. If we're talking about how far the characters have fallen in recent years and how weak Knuckles looked in 2010, Robotnik's probably not exempt from that decline.
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#341 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 11:49:40 AM | message detail
Also, with Sonic's increase overnight, we're now at Sub/Scorp beating Sonic/Robotnik with 58.20% if Jill/Nemesis and Leon/Ada are equal.
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#342 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/20/2011 11:57:49 AM | message detail
I also don't think Knuckles is that much bigger then Robotnik, if at all. Zero >>> Knuckles, Robotnik >>> Sigma, before we do any MMX comparisons
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#343 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 12:01:39 PM | message detail
I dunno, we saw Knuckles go 50/50 with Magus and Robotnik go 50/50 with Sin in the same year. We also saw Robotnik perform about equally on Ganondorf as Ansem (although you can blame Bacondorf for an Ansem overperformance, if you like).

I know Magus was overrated and all, but I don't think he was bottoming out against Sin yet!
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#344 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/20/2011 12:04:09 PM | message detail
Sonic and Knuckles definitely feels stronger to me. And I don't buy this idea of hero/villain pairings being strong. 90% of our pairings are hero villain, and a large portion of the ones that aren't (Red/Blue, Ryu/Ken, X/Zero) have done very well so far.
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#345 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/20/2011 12:05:36 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #344
And I don't buy this idea of hero/villain pairings being strong.


It's more main hero vs. main villain.

I don't think it's necessarily top tier, but I think it'll give it an advantage over a "lesser" rivalry, even if the second character in the lesser rivalry is stronger.
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#347 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/20/2011 12:12:20 PM | message detail
Red/Blue is hero-villain as well.
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#348 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/20/2011 12:29:15 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I remember somebody speculating that Frog/Magus may not do as well because it's not main character vs. main villain, and perhaps they were right.

I had speculated something similar: they wouldn't look so strong because it had neither a main hero or main antagonist. It's one thing if you have a rivalry with only the main hero (like Sonic/Knuckles and MMX/Zero) because they have lots of games and relationships, but without either major force of a game the rivalry may struggle to have strength here. We only have two other teams aside from Frog/Magus that fit this qualification: Dan/Sagat (nowhere close to Ryu/Ken) and Nook/Redd (doubled by Ammy/Orochi).

We've previously established Frog/Magus have a better relationship and come from a bigger game, but they didn't exactly shake off Raiden/Vamp well either. Raiden/Vamp may be under-rated, but Frog/Magus are also fortunate Chell/GLaDOS didn't impress either.
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#349 | MarquessLaus | Posted 11/20/2011 12:33:36 PM | message detail
Red/Blue is hero-villain as well.

Not of their entire franchise.
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#350 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 11/20/2011 12:34:02 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #347
Red/Blue is hero-villain as well.


Nah. that would be Red/Giovanni, and it would really really suck.
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