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#51 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 9:39:15 PM | message detail
Also, alts have always been allowed on the leaderboard.
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#52 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:40:04 PM | message detail
I've seen legendmusketeer before
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#53 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/18/2011 9:40:21 PM | message detail
That legendmusketeer guy has posted in the stats topics before.
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#54 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:57:33 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4542&region=PH

96% for Mario/Bowser
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#55 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 10:08:47 PM | message detail
Huh, they dropped under 80%.

Kinda figured they'd stay up there now.
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#56 | Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 11/18/2011 10:17:36 PM | message detail
This is an interesting match just to see how the addition of Bowser and Black Knight affect it, since we had Mario/Ike last time. Maybe it'll finally silence the "only the stronger character matters" people.
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#57 | junk_funk | Posted 11/18/2011 10:25:23 PM | message detail
So not counting other possible alts on the leader board, there's really only ~285 perfect brackets?
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#58 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/18/2011 10:58:57 PM | message detail
Geolocation stats so far for round 1:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdEtvbUkwMzh4X2NJX3YzQUt1anhBUkE

It's final - Night Matches average vote totals of 28354, while Day Matches had an average of 36317.

For comparison, average vote totals for round 1 of both 2010 contests:

Character Battle 2010

Night Matches - 52410
Day Matches - 70986

Game of the Decade

Night Matches - 37795
Day Matches - 50824

In Game of the Decade, night match vote totals dropped by 27.89% while day match vote totals dropped by 28.40% compared to Character Battle 2010's average vote totals for round 1. But in this contest, night match vote totals dropped by 24.98% and day match vote totals dropped by 28.54% compared to GOTD's average vote totals for round 1. So in this contest, day matches suffered a bigger drop in vote totals than night matches.
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#59 | foxhead84 | Posted 11/18/2011 11:01:49 PM | message detail
wow impressive how we lost so many voters in 2 years
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#60 | Kijitow | Posted 11/18/2011 11:23:19 PM | message detail
Why are people allowed to have so many entries?
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#61 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/18/2011 11:29:28 PM | message detail
You can have as many Fun Entries as you want, but you are only allowed to have one Prize or Karma Entry. There's no rule against having multiple entries, as long as have just one Prize or Karma Entry. Although you can't have both a Prize and Karma Entry.
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#62 | foxhead84 | Posted 11/18/2011 11:31:22 PM | message detail | (edited)
Kijitow posted...
Why are people allowed to have so many entries?

and I'm sure that people who have 30+ brackets had more than one identical bracket.

I understand making different bracket with different upset but why making 100+ brackets if they are all the same???

It's not for the prize (only one is eligible) and it cannot be about free karma (what's the point of having more than a dozen account we lots of karma point?)
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#63 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/19/2011 12:32:09 AM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
31------458--------100.00
30------319--------96.24
29------625--------95.36
28------1267------95.26
27------1868------94.22
26------2196------92.53
25------2131------91.22
24------2015------89.53
23------1600------86.00
22------1198------83.14
21------731--------83.04
20------464--------79.74
19------284--------82.39
18------139--------72.66
17------83----------56.63
16------41----------68.29
15------27----------70.37
14------19----------36.84
13------5------------60.00
12------4------------50.00
11------2------------0.00
10------8------------37.50
9--------4------------25.00
8--------3------------33.33
7--------4------------0.00
6--------7------------14.29
5--------2------------0.00
4--------4------------25.00
3--------5------------0.00
2--------11----------9.09
1--------16----------6.25
0--------12----------8.33

Not really a particularly special chart here. Not a single perfect bracket took that bait so they all got the match right. Next few tiers stay in the 90s as expected. 12 0 brackets in the end. I'm not sure how many are real.

Technically everyone on the Top 50 got the match right. However, due to combining alts, a bunch of brackets are no longer shown on the Top 50. The following 34 accounts got combined with someone. Ethereal_Burst, Roger_Rossetti, majormusketeer, Sapphirine92086, Timewhirl, ShadowTwist, Soul_Warper, SoulWarper, Sacratog, MariasPanties, CrimsonClown, DeathClown, DeathTiki, Urborg, WelchsPanties, IzaksPanties, LegendPtsygnh, SilverSwine, MageEmporer, SkizzikReborn, ZephyrusRevived, WelchsMelons, AuraSoul, SonicFayt, BrittneySpears, AirDynamo, Aeroblaze, Brian920, jkbsd, Rasetz, TheLastPerson, SteelKnight, SolarSpirit and StuffedAnimal sided with Sora vs. Riku but are no longer shown on the Top 50.

A large mass of alts does partially explain why the perfects sometimes did way, way better than everyone else. It also mans they will crash hard if legendmusketeer messes up.
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#64 | shane15 | Posted 11/19/2011 4:46:13 AM | message detail
I'm liking Kirbys match pic for the next round.It won't be enough to beat Sonic though.
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#65 | Guess how many teens | Posted 11/19/2011 4:51:34 AM | message detail
Not a single battle bracket went down yesterday. Pretty sick, really curious wether a lot will go down today (people who filled in R1 and forgot about the contest after).
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#66 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/19/2011 5:08:40 AM | message detail
The one I don't understand is why people make alternate accounts if their main one isn't banned.
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#67 | MarquessLaus | Posted 11/19/2011 5:14:02 AM | message detail
Even more then why he does it, I'm curious why the site knowingly puts up with an accommodates for musketeer having 137 alts.
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#68 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/19/2011 5:15:09 AM | message detail
Wow, there wasn't even an upset for the casuals, as every match had over 50% prediction percentage.

This f***ing contest.
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#69 | greatone10 | Posted 11/19/2011 6:04:14 AM | message detail | (edited)
Wow, there were that many alts on the damn leaderboard? You know it's bad when you go from not on the leaderboard to #23!
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#70 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/19/2011 6:07:30 AM | message detail

From: Lieutenant Kettch | #056
This is an interesting match just to see how the addition of Bowser and Black Knight affect it, since we had Mario/Ike last time. Maybe it'll finally silence the "only the stronger character matters" people.


A year later, halved votals, further away from Brawl (Ike's main source of strength. I don't disagree with your theory but I don't think this match proves anything, it's well within the realms of possibility that a Mario/Ike 1v1 would wind up 80/20 this year, I certainly would expect Ike to be sliding in that direction at least.
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#71 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2011 9:16:03 AM | message detail | (edited)
That reason for sliding over 6% against Mario when Ike's biggest game was still in the GotD-championship last year feels unlikely. It's simpler to say Bowser crushes Black Knight and Mario/Bowser's rivalry means a lot more than Ike/BK's. Ike/BK's rivalry is potentially weaker in this contest than Ike alone anyway, so this isn't shocking -- I thought it would have been an even bigger blow-out.

EDIT: It's hard to know what such a loss to our vote-totals means yet, too, though I don't discredit that idea.
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#72 | LOLContests | Posted 11/19/2011 9:15:05 AM | message detail
So, taking into account that the half-way point for weekend matches is ~11:45 there should be 54,000 votes in this match. Hoo boy. It might actually be less, as some people don't know about the 24 hour change and voted early. Here's hoping that Kirby/Sonic and Ninjas/DK can break 70,000 at least. I think they should be able to.

I'm still confident that Link/Ganon vs. Cloud/Sephiroth can break 100,000. Cloud/Seph vs. Mario/Bowser can probably break it too, if that's the final.
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#73 | FFDragon | Posted 11/19/2011 9:16:49 AM | message detail
Mario would pretty much 80-20 Ike this year. For reals. Black Knight/Bowser really add nothing here.
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#74 | RPGLord95 | Posted 11/19/2011 9:18:38 AM | message detail
12 more hours of this ugh. This round should have been 12 hour matches too
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#75 | swirIdude | Posted 11/19/2011 9:21:58 AM | message detail
12 hour matches should be our standard.
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#76 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2011 9:28:57 AM | message detail
I'm sure Luster has more reliable numbers, but based on last year's Brawl/Fallout 3 match (probably the only "normal" 24-hour match we had), we're on pace for about 51-52k votes here. If that is indeed the standard of votals we can look forward to, this will be the least popular contest in site history, behind even 2002.
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#77 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2011 9:31:10 AM | message detail
It's hard to go from almost a tripling to over a quadrupling in two years without a reason, and SMG2 alone isn't enough. It's hard to ignore how much stronger Bowser is than Black Knight, and we've seen that rivalries matter this contest too. Ike/BK suffers from what Captain Falcon/Black Shadow and Ness/Giygas had to struggle with: their rivalry comes from their original series, not the series they're most enjoyed in. It shouldn't be a surprise this is a bigger blow-out than Mario/Ike alone.

Mario might beat Ike worse now than before, but at this time there's not much to support Mario suddenly beating Ike like this one-on-one.
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#78 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2011 9:44:58 AM | message detail
The site is dying......and I kind of doubt we'll get a 2002-esque final week to save this contest. Though, that contest had a horribly boring first round too.

Just give me my Mario/Crono rematch now that votals are this low, Bacon!
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#79 | FFDragon | Posted 11/19/2011 9:56:48 AM | message detail
How is it hard? It's a swing of just 5%. With the way Brawl has dropped off, FE has disappeared, and Mario has remained relevant I'd be absolutely floored if he didn't do this to Ike solo now.
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#80 | transcience | Posted 11/19/2011 10:03:51 AM | message detail
are you guys thinking this is an impressive performance or something?
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#81 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 10:04:19 AM | message detail

From: FFDragon | #079
How is it hard? It's a swing of just 5%


You realize the jump from 75% to 80% is equal to the jump from 66% to 75%, right?

The higher the percentage, the harder it is to increase.
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#82 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 10:04:31 AM | message detail

From: transcience | #080
are you guys thinking this is an impressive performance or something?


Nah, this is pretty expected.
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#83 | Lopen | Posted 11/19/2011 10:09:31 AM | message detail
I still say this lame format is the reason votals are so much lower than GotD.
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#84 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 10:13:51 AM | message detail
The updater froze like an hour ago. Not sure if anyone's been tracking those updates.
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#85 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/19/2011 10:26:02 AM | message detail
I've been tracking them. I was prepared just incase that happened. I'll start manually triggering updates until this gets fixed.
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#86 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2011 10:33:03 AM | message detail
Nice work, Luster. And great job chugging last night, champ.
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#87 | The_Djoker | Posted 11/19/2011 10:35:37 AM | message detail
is this 24 hour Matches now??
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#88 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 10:36:00 AM | message detail
#89 | The_Djoker | Posted 11/19/2011 10:38:27 AM | message detail
makes sense i guess, this contest is quite small.

Also Kirby/sOnic? who to go for? My bracket i have Sonic but Might go for Kirby in battle.
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#90 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 10:39:48 AM | message detail
#91 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 10:45:19 AM | message detail
Updater is working again.
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#92 | Haste_2 | Posted 11/19/2011 11:30:18 AM | message detail
You realize the jump from 75% to 80% is equal to the jump from 66% to 75%, right?

The higher the percentage, the harder it is to increase.


Indeed. However, I was thinking going from 75% to 80% was equal to going from 68.75% to 75%, using basic x-stat calculations. Maybe I'm wrong there. But to really show a difference blowouts can make with percentage shifts, moving from 75% to 80% is equal to going from 90% to 92%, assuming my calculations are even remotely correct.

Of course, we should keep in mind that the bigger the blowout, the bigger the disparity between day voters and night voters, too, from what I can tell. Not that it's worth trying to actually calculate the vote swing (I've tried it before), since it seems WAY more inconsistent than predicting final match percentages via x-stats.
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#93 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/19/2011 12:51:52 PM | message detail
The updater is only working because I'm manually triggering the updates. It won't be fixed until creativename adjusts the updater for these 24 hour matches. I also emailed creativename with the missing updates, so those can be added once he checks my email.


PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2011 12:28:57 PM | message detail | quote
I'm sure Luster has more reliable numbers, but based on last year's Brawl/Fallout 3 match (probably the only "normal" 24-hour match we had), we're on pace for about 51-52k votes here. If that is indeed the standard of votals we can look forward to, this will be the least popular contest in site history, behind even 2002.


Yes, this contest will finish behind 2002 for votals. Even round 1 of the 2002 contest had an average of 60272 votes, and we probably looking at an average of 53000 votes for the rest of the contest. Very disappointing, because a 53000 average is just slightly above the average of 49925 votes for every non-contest poll from September 1st to November 2nd. These contests aren't bringing in the votes anymore, and have been reduced to pulling in votals similar to non-contest polls.


red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2011 12:44:58 PM | message detail | quote
The site is dying......and I kind of doubt we'll get a 2002-esque final week to save this contest. Though, that contest had a horribly boring first round too.


The 2002 contest was somewhat unique in that votals spiked considerably in the later rounds of the contest. The contest was still a fairly niche thing in the beginning that was closely followed by only a small, hardcore group of people. You could blame the later rounds getting much higher votes on the remaining characters being better at drawing in votes, but that alone wouldn't cause the votals to spike like crazy in round 3 and beyond. More frequent rallying in the later rounds probably boosted site traffic quite a bit, plus you could even say that more people became interested in the contest by round 3 and beyond.

As I pointed out earlier, round 1 of the 2002 had an average of 60272 votes. Round 2 was only slightly better, at 64292. In round 3 and beyond, the average was 89922. This contest won't be pulling off that sort of spike at all.
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#94 | abdou | Posted 11/19/2011 1:17:21 PM | message detail
Because this contest is pretty lame and site traffic being much lower than it was couple of years ago , these all-time low votals are to be expected

I do wonder how much better the votals would be if this was character battle IX .
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#95 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/19/2011 1:43:32 PM | message detail
But this is kinda.You think people vote for rivalries instead of characters?
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#96 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/19/2011 1:51:48 PM | message detail
People care about games (and series, and probably consoles) more than characters. And they probably care about characters more than rivalries.
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#97 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/19/2011 1:56:11 PM | message detail

From: Kotetsu534 | #096
People care about games (and series, and probably consoles) more than characters.


I've heard people argue this, but Character Battles have almost always had the highest vote totals. I don't think that's just a coincidence.
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#98 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/19/2011 2:07:15 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
People care about games (and series, and probably consoles) more than characters. And they probably care about characters more than rivalries.

I can't speak for others, but I prefer character contests. Game contests are something you see quite a bit on other sites, but characters is what made Gamefaqs unique until Gamespot did a rip off in recent years.
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#99 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2011 2:07:47 PM | message detail
If Games Contest had aired in the peak GameFAQs years, they'd have gotten just as many.
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#100 | White_Tiger | Posted 11/19/2011 2:08:08 PM | message detail
With these terrible votals, and if site traffic keeps on declining at the rate its been for the last two years, this may very well be our last contest.
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