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#201 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 7:24:23 AM | message detail
Match XXXII: (2) Sora/Riku vs. (7) William Blazkowicz/Adolf Hitler

Previous Contest

Sora – 2010
63.63% against Midna
67.75% against Laharl
45.30% against Bowser

Riku – 2010
62.31% against Ramza Beoulve
47.52% against Captain Falcon

William Blazkowicz – N/A
N/A

Adolf Hitler – N/A
N/A

Analysis

Final match of the contest and with the guru cookie still well intact there is no surprise that a large portion of the board is still perfect. At the end of the round we have our third character that did not arise from video games and most likely the star joke character of the contest. There is no question that Hitler is going to attract some joke voters, but the main question is would it be enough to get the upset.

While Kingdom Hearts had a bad contest last time and it isn’t likely that they will perform any better this contest Sora and Riku still have decent strength. Sora may not be near elite any more, but he is still a high mid-carder and Riku is still far from being fodder heck once this contest is all done I wouldn’t be surprised to see them well into the top half of strongest pairs of the contest once taking into account future SFF matches.

I feel that a lot of people would have given William and Hitler a better chance had they been given a better position in the bracket. The main issue is obviously that the pair has almost no base strength. While joke votes from other sites do provide a boost for them you still need to have GameFAQs on your side if you want to have decent strength. Even before L-Block was rallied it still showed that it had some strength despite external rallying being minimal and Missingno absolutely destroyed its vote-in poll with minimal support. William and Hitler on the other hand flopped badly in the vote-in, a format where it should over perform due to 12 ways and joke votes to the point where if you removed the votes from the early rallies would put the pair just barely above Katherine and Catherine.

The low vote totals are going to be a benefit for William and Hitler and should the rallies start off right at the beginning we could see them take the lead, but eventually they are going to run out of people to find. Based on the performance in the vote-ins which showed his natural strength I see Sora and Riku doubling to breaking 70% on William and Hitler. Even with the lower vote totals we are still talking about 13000 to 15000 rallied votes which I don’t see happening especially when Sora and Riku start surging far ahead. It would take either a change of heart from GameFAQs users or another method of voting.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Sora/Riku > William Blazkowicz/Adolf Hitler

charmander6000’s Prediction: Sora/Riku wins, 61.80% - 38.20%
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#202 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/18/2011 7:34:27 AM | message detail
Hardware could be interesting for a 32 mini bracket.

On the filtering character ideas I think they're pretty poor. Western games characters are notoriously bad for the most part so I can't see that being too interesting and to separate by decade will probably just lead to boosted showings from the likes of Midna. As we've seen from the Villains and Female bracket the Zelda fans will find someone to channel Link through.

I'm ok with a vanilla bracket again personally. I think designing a format around trying to not let Link win is a bad idea. Who knows with Skyward Sword looking to disappoint and the Wii-U drawing skepticism it may not take forever for Link to fall.
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#203 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 7:46:26 AM | message detail
It isn't even that hard to make a bracket with Link in it interesting.

Link
Fodder

debatable 8/9 match

debatable 4-pack

debatable 8-pack

then have something like the Heart Division as his quarterfinal opponent
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#204 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/18/2011 7:51:39 AM | message detail
That'd be fine with me, I'd much rather the contest kept a credible format with results based on strength and less on other factors like partners, significance of a particular theme or 4-way SFF. Will make it all the more meaningful when somebody finally does beat him, which will happen someday I guess. Certainly more meaningful than him losing to Hitler riding a bidoof swinging a buster sword while simultaneously teamed with batman or whatever else people want to see.
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#205 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 8:17:29 AM | message detail
I still think a console contest would be even more boring than this contest. No thanks.
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#206 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:27:37 AM | message detail
Really? I can't even say for sure who would win.

I imagine the Top 4 would be the PS1, N64, PS2, SNES, in some order, and then there's a 2nd tier with...GBA? 360? DS? GBC? Gamecube? But I have no idea how those tiers shake out.
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#207 | YoAriel33 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:28:39 AM | message detail
I'd be for a console contest if it didn't replace the "big" contest attraction for that year (CB or Games). With 32 entrants and a 12-hour format for R1, we would wrap it up in three weeks.
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#208 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:32:37 AM | message detail
What we really need is a tournament bracket of all the Links in all the Zelda games.
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#209 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:37:06 AM | message detail

From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #208
What we really need is a tournament bracket of all the Links in all the Zelda games.


Yes, a Link-off!

LoZ/AoL
ALttP/LA
OoT/MM
OoA/OoS
FS/FSA
TWW/PH
TP
ST
TMC
SS
CD-i

That's 11 Links!

And how many different Dark Links are there? We can get this to 16.
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#210 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:38:36 AM | message detail
Remember, OoT has two potential Links! SPLIT UNIVERSE and all.

Also we could do 3 smash brothers links if we need to pad...
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#211 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:41:00 AM | message detail
*nerd warning*

The split universe doesn't actually produce a 2nd Link in OoT. The universe split causes the Adult Timeline to continue without a Link, at least until TWW.

*end shame*
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#212 | _Regaro_ | Posted 11/18/2011 8:41:49 AM | message detail
You can still break it up between kid/MM and Adult Link.
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#213 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 8:42:36 AM | message detail
You can even use the various mask forms of Link in MM!
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#214 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:43:46 AM | message detail
That's the same Link though. I CAN'T ALLOW IT.

You wouldn't say the movie Big produced 2 different *looks it up*....Josh Baskin characters.
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#215 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 11/18/2011 8:45:39 AM | message detail
I feel like N64 would absolutely destroy a console contest. It would SFF all Nintendo to hell and back and at least 60/40 everything else. Maybe PS1 or PS2 could break 40. Maybe.
#216 | YoAriel33 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:45:40 AM | message detail
PERFECT BATTLERS

Dante easily has the third biggest blowout of the round, behind Mario and Link. Assume that Sora/Riku do poorly today and that you remain perfect 16 days from now. There are, say, 50 perfect battlers remaining. Do you play it safe or risk it all?
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#217 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 8:46:41 AM | message detail

From: YoAriel33 | #216
PERFECT BATTLERS

Dante easily has the third biggest blowout of the round, behind Mario and Link. Assume that Sora/Riku do poorly today and that you remain perfect 16 days from now. There are, say, 50 perfect battlers remaining. Do you play it safe or risk it all?


ALL IN ON SORA
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#218 | YoAriel33 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:47:46 AM | message detail

From: TheOneAboveAll | #215
I feel like N64 would absolutely destroy a console contest. It would SFF all Nintendo to hell and back and at least 60/40 everything else. Maybe PS1 or PS2 could break 40. Maybe.


Nah, it might challenge the PS consoles, but no way does it touch the SNES. I'm confident that the SNES would have that contest on lockdown. It has already outperformed the N64 in at least one "favorite Nintendo console" poll in the past, and it has the second best collection of Nintendo games and arguably the second best collection of Square games ever.
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#219 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:49:16 AM | message detail

From: YoAriel33 | #218
outperformed the N64 in at least one "favorite Nintendo console" poll in the past,


Just out of curiosity, how old was that poll?

And second best collection of Nintendo games? After what, the N64? You crazy.
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#220 | YoAriel33 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:57:31 AM | message detail

From: JaKyL25 | #219
And second best collection of Nintendo games? After what, the N64? You crazy.


N64 has OoT. That automatically tosses the SNES into second place.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4277
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#221 | junk_funk | Posted 11/18/2011 8:58:34 AM | message detail
__Smurf__ posted...
On the filtering character ideas I think they're pretty poor. Western games characters are notoriously bad for the most part so I can't see that being too interesting and to separate by decade will probably just lead to boosted showings from the likes of Midna. As we've seen from the Villains and Female bracket the Zelda fans will find someone to channel Link through.

Best Western Game. Not character.
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#222 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/18/2011 8:59:27 AM | message detail

From: YoAriel33 | #216
PERFECT BATTLERS

Dante easily has the third biggest blowout of the round, behind Mario and Link. Assume that Sora/Riku do poorly today and that you remain perfect 16 days from now. There are, say, 50 perfect battlers remaining. Do you play it safe or risk it all?


It's kind of impossible to do poorly on something relying purely on joke votes with no base strength. It's all on the opposition what Sora/Riku does.
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#223 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 8:59:27 AM | message detail

From: YoAriel33 | #220
N64 has OoT. That automatically tosses the SNES into second place.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4277


Okay, well sure if you're counting Rare games like that poll is then I'll go ahead and agree.
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#224 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 11/18/2011 8:59:39 AM | message detail
From 2005:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2215
SNES isn't losing to N64, end of story.
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#225 | YoAriel33 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:00:13 AM | message detail
Sora vs. Riku 87.5%

7
William B.J. Blazkowicz vs. Adolf 12.5%

1
TOTAL VOTES 8
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#226 | paulg235 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:00:23 AM | message detail
Sora vs. Riku 65.38%

17
William B.J. Blazkowicz vs. Adolf 34.62%

9
TOTAL VOTES 26
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#227 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:00:25 AM | message detail
Sora/Riku with the quick lead
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#228 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 9:00:38 AM | message detail
Vote Accepted

Sora vs. Riku 61.67% 37
William B.J. Blazkowicz vs. Adolf 38.33% 23
TOTAL VOTES 60
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#229 | Master Moltar | Posted 11/18/2011 9:00:52 AM | message detail
couldn't even take the lead with the board vote
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#230 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:10 AM | message detail
boooring
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#231 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:13 AM | message detail
Hmmm...If Hitler can't keep it close during the board vote, I think we may be safe.
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#232 | transcience | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:18 AM | message detail
gtfo hitler
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#233 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:24 AM | message detail
Hitler losing?

Good day.
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#234 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:28 AM | message detail
Over 95% took Dante/Vergil, impressive
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#235 | Bigwig_rah | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:34 AM | message detail
Hitler would have a chance maybe if this was one on one, but BJ is probably bringing him down because who the hell is BJ?
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#236 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:35 AM | message detail
#237 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 9:01:41 AM | message detail
95.29% for the Sparda boys
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#238 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2011 9:02:09 AM | message detail
Also, I didn't realize he wouldn't even be listed as Hitler in the match poll.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
#239 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/18/2011 9:02:17 AM | message detail
Hitler can't even win the board vote.

I kinda hope he wins, just so this contest will stop being so f***ing boring. Even a Gamespot-style joke contest would be more entertaining than this boring piece of s***.
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#240 | paulg235 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:02:28 AM | message detail
Aaaand there it is. Rivalry Rumble Round 1, ladies and gentleman!
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#241 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/18/2011 9:02:35 AM | message detail
Yeah, he's only listed as "Adolf" in the poll.

But the match picture has "Hitler" on it, so whatever.
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#242 | YoAriel33 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:03:35 AM | message detail
Hitler holding his ground. Quick Albion, go rally on some of those white supremacist websites.
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#243 | transcience | Posted 11/18/2011 9:03:40 AM | message detail
whoa, admin conspiracy! give Hitler his damn name!
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#244 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/18/2011 9:04:42 AM | message detail

From: transcience | #243
whoa, admin conspiracy! give Hitler his damn name!


More people would be voting for Hitler if they knew who he was Hitler!
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#245 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:05:27 AM | message detail
Over 100 votes at the freeze
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#246 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:06:43 AM | message detail
#247 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 11/18/2011 9:06:47 AM | message detail
Votals are higher than yesterday, but lower than some of our more popular matches.

I won't feel good about this match until the vote closes.
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#248 | JaKyL25 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:07:05 AM | message detail
Just wait 'till Die Kinder get home.
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#249 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/18/2011 9:08:37 AM | message detail
You can't judge Sora's strength for this match because we don't know how many votes for Hitler are from rallying or joke votes or stuff like that.
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#250 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 11/18/2011 9:08:42 AM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #246
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4541&region=DE

It'll never stop being amusing.


Why is the map blue (indicating Sora leading)? It's the first update, so there shouldn't be a difference between the two.
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