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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1018
I just checked the vote-in poll, and Lloyd/Kratos lost to Katherine. Man, the FFVII anti-voting seems to have exploded the past two years, and such a sudden change for no reason really doesn't make sense. I think the anti-FFVII sentiment may have been getting steadily worse over the years but has been conveniently masked. 2005 - Cloud and Seph removed from the bracket, only face Link and Mario, anti-voting impossible to detect 2006 - Removed from bracket, only in weird multi-polls afterward 2007 - 4ways mask anti-voting 2008 - 4ways mask anti-voting 2009 - No CB 2010 - OOPS Judging by FFVII's performance in the 2009 Games Contest, it seems to affect the characters more than the game itself, although 2009 was 4ways, so maybe FFVII would face similar troubles in a 1v1 games contest. Cloud and Seph also seem to get it worse than the game's other characters, to the point where Sephiroth was clearly being anti-voted against lesser characters of his own game. It honestly doesn't seem like that long ago when Cloud hit 87% on CATS and Sephiroth was snapping fodder with mid-80 performances. Now they can't even triple chumps. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
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all the nerds on my campus still love FFVII but there are a lot of "higher nerds" that hate those FFVII nerds, so the anti-voting may not be for the game, but for the fanbase itself --- ~Zen |
Hell,
Cloud and Sephiroth are symbols of Japanese Nerd Culture in general, so
anybody who hates those "f***ing weeaboos" might anti-vote Cloud and
Sephiorth regardless of how they feel of FFVII but I dunno why voting for Lloyd/Kratos is any better, that's also pretty "weeaboo" --- ~Zen |
It could just as much be Cloud and Seph showing their age. It's been almost 15 years since FF7 came out. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
Radical suggestion. What if this trend of FF7 getting more and more anti-votes is actually FF7 getting weaker? Weird to think about it, huh? Does it have to be anti-votes? Or could the characters just not be as strong as they used to be. It happened to MM, to Crono, to Sonic. The FF7 boys are just getting weaker. --- Still N9 of course - but weaker. |
From: nintendogirl1 | #305 I believe FFVII is getting weaker. It just doesn't make much sense how it's opening 5 minutes gets worse every damn time. --- http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/alecjpguz.jpg |
You're
right, I'm blowing the hater sentiment outta proportion. It's mainly
because FFVII is getting weaker, but like Alec said, why is its board
vote also getting worse? This board is a FFVII stronghold. If anything,
its early vote should be getting stronger. HAAAAAAAATAZ --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Square
(besides possibly KH) is just getting weaker in general on this site.
As we head towards a more mainstream fanbase like most other sites it's
going to only become more obvious. --- Demyx is better than Axel. http://www.last.fm/user/crazydom |
Marth is only "high fodder" since when? I always envisioned tiers that looked like NN, midcarders, fodder where each tier had strong, normal, and weak sub-tiers. For midcarders, the strong ones included folks like MissNo, Charizard, Vincent, Auron. Mid not quite as good, people like Zelda, Sora, Fox, or Leon. Weak would be like Gordon Freeman, Peach, or L-Block. So folks like Marth, Sackboy, and Kratos Aurion would have to be below that, high fodder. --- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav |
I
think it might be the fact that FFVII was the first entity to win two
straight contests (that being 2003 and Spring 2004). I don't even think
Link/Zelda managed that until 2006. --- "Go get me Jared...from Subway!" -- CM Punk Future 2011 Rivalry Guru Champion! |
Hell,
Cloud and Sephiroth are symbols of Japanese Nerd Culture in general, so
anybody who hates those "f***ing weeaboos" might anti-vote Cloud and
Sephiorth regardless of how they feel of FFVII This. Also see all the people on 4chan complaining about how "f****" (Gay slur) FFX was during its match with MM. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka This is Yesmar. |
From: nintendogirl1 | #305 The main thing that disagrees with this is that Cloud still finished around his usual level on Link last year. It was just everyone else he looked bad against. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
Given
the popularity of all things Japanese here, I wouldn't even consider
that as the reason. If anything, it's the sentiment that FFVII always
wins, even when it doesn't. FFVII is definitely getting weaker, though.
Unlike Link, who gets a refresh every few years, Cloud and Sephiroth
have gone by with little more than LBP DLC and a digital offering of
FFVII on PSN -- which, strangely, is still selling in the top 10 every
month! FFVII itself is only getting older, too. It makes sense for it to
start falling out of favor like Chrono Trigger has. --- peace comes from within |
The trends of Cloud/Sephiroth could be partly explained by the trends of this poll: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdFJwWW5rem9Eci0zYkxsUGVSNjk0RkE&gid=1 That poll was during the summer, so no ASV in that poll. "Several times a day" does best at the start of the poll, which is also the same group of voters who would be familiar with the contest history of FFVII and its characters. The last 4 options are dominated by casual voters who don't visit GameFAQs very often, so they would not be familiar with the contest history of FFVII and its characters. The last 4 options also do best in the second half of the poll (when Cloud/Sephiroth do best) because there are very few hardcore voters remaining since they voted in the first half of the poll. Generally, anyone who voted for the last 4 options is unlikely to anti-vote FFVII-related stuff. If they do, it's because they like the other opponent better than Cloud/Sephiroth. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
All of Clinkeroth has been getting weaker the past couple of years. --- 90s games > 00s games |
cbaron0 posted... Alright why is everyone over-reacting here? Cloud opened at 65% on RIDLEY and finished at about 71% and still scored 47% on Link back in 2010. The current result means nothing. Best post in the topic. --- Fine! I'll go to the store and get your Goddamn drain cleaner! |
I love how Ngirl says the exact same thing I do, but my post gets completely ignored. Fantastic. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
ZenOfThunder posted... all the nerds on my campus still love FFVII but there are a lot of "higher nerds" that hate those FFVII nerds, so the anti-voting may not be for the game, but for the fanbase itself Haha that's great! --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
Well now, this is a pretty miserable result. I really don't like overreacting but this is just plain bad. Don't like Cloud/Seph's chances against Link anymore, and I think it's very possible they are weaker than Mario/Bowser as well. Of course due to possible SFF they might still luck out and finish ahead of Mario/Bowser in the stats - though I could see Mario/Bowser at least resisting SFF via bandwagon. As for Frog/Magus, very disappointing by them. Makes their next round match pretty debatable and I don't like their chances against Alucard/Dracula at all anymore, if they make it there. It's too bad because they might be the most fantastic rivalry in the contest. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=4534&type=2&seconds=60&max=0 Cloud/Seph got around an 85% update 10 minutes ago. They might start bringing it back to something respectable in these last 6 hours! --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
I
don't know how these results are bad. The polls just have low vote
totals. If you actually look at how many votes the ToS team has
received, it's not impressive at all. 3,003 votes? The ToS fanbase is
rabid enough to not let their characters fall under a certain percent. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
FFVII is one of the best games ever created. Truth. Haters gon hate. --- GT: TriggerTRE PSN: SolidTRE Dilated -ChemisTRE- |
Yeah
I'd take this with a grain of salt. FF7 is prone to anti voting + the
rabidness of Tales' base. If this was a 24 hour match FF7 would break 80
easy. --- Ngirl is a toll bridge - Wigs Gotta pay if you want to come inside! - Ngirl |
wow,
bad show today. I think Cloud/Sephiroth have a better chance of losing
to the Snakes than beating Link. there's a chance that this is all
antivotes and that TOS is strong again, but I'm not sure why that
wouldn't show up in a vote-in poll. not a good performance at all. --- xyzzy |
You'd
figure the last contest where Snake beat Sephiroth handily and both
Snake and Samus being uncomfortably close to Cloud would've been telling
enough. I think anti-voting is a stretch. I mean, if people are anti-voting Cloud/Seph, they're anti-voting them because those two represent Square, which hasn't made a good game in years (besides maybe DQ9, but that's Enix) and has simply been coasting on their old stuff. I really don't think that many people care enough about the contest to actively vote against CS. The FF7-oriented fanbase is fading, while the SNES-era FF characters are actually getting stronger. Let that sink in for a minute. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy IV (FF2US) http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3445328 |
I
don't understand.People hate FF 7.But why not Link?Or Mario?Or Samus?I
mean I know they are Nintendo but damn!Let us hope it is the last
contest. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #301 Bearing in mind http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4081 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4139 Also that this is a strong and relevant rivalry within the game between the two most popular characters. Calling them "chumps" is hilariously off the mark, this duo could have done some damage if placed elsewhere. The whole theory of 80%+ here was based solely on an expectation of Rpg SFF and not that Lloyd/Kratos would be turbo-fodder. As has been already pointed ToS may share Nintendo, although I find it weird if Vyse and SoA can get so thoroughly SFF beat down by final fantasy why is ToS avoiding it? --- Smurf , The Cream of Sonic Fanboyism |
Using x-stats to compare Vyse and Lloyd, how do Terra/Kefka compare to Cloud/Sephiroth? --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy IV (FF2US) http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3445328 |
From: ChemisTRE | #322 Not as good as OoT...the TRUE Best game ever. --- http://s10.postimage.org/o18hxamrb/Co_Dis_Crap_Crymore.png |
There
is not a best game ever.I mean people that don't like RPG's or Action
Adventures don't like these 2 games obviously.However I agree that they
are good.Now it seems that Cloud has been gaining votes.I think it is
night there in USA? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
It's 7:30 AM East Coast, so maybe FF7 is catching the early morning vote? --- "Go get me Jared...from Subway!" -- CM Punk Future 2011 Rivalry Guru Champion! |
Simply
calling the vote-in unstable is a safe and reasonable excuse for
Lloyd/Kratos differing from their vote-in performances, but it still
gives Link/Ganon the easy R1-win over Cloud/Sephiroth. The Bosses are
the only team from their vote-in to carry any weight so far; 'atherines
were nearly tripled by Sonic/Robotnik, Team WoW nearly gave Link/Ganon
the blow-out of the contest, MMX/Zero broke 80% on Team F-Zero, and we
don't expect much from BJ/Hitler. They've got more time to get their act together, but this is the wrong foot for Cloud/Seph to start with. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
we
have seen weak characters boosting due to a good rivalry. Lloyd/Kratos
is actually a pretty good rivalry , so maybe this is not so much
antivoting and just the ToS duo being stronger than anticipated (and
again we have seen weak character performing better than expected) I would DEFINITELY take Lloyd/Kratos over Arthas vs. Illidan and Jim vs. Queen Slug-for-a-Butt. Also they have a great picture . --- "anyone who's citing Elder Scrolls as a decent game is obviously very casual." MarioFanaticXV |
That really is a great picture for Lloyd/Kratos. One of the best of the round. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
Bracket makers better hope that Snake doesn't get 80%+ on Pac-Man. Hell, if he gets like 63% on Crono... |
Squall can beat Cloud right?...right? ;_; a man can dream --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Shaneh87/Funny/siggy.jpg |
__Smurf__ posted... That really is a great picture for Lloyd/Kratos. One of the best of the round. That's the reason I voted for them. The Cloud/Seph one is not fancy at all, but man... that's a surprising underperformance in my eyes. --- I think I broke the LOL |
__Smurf__ posted... The whole theory of 80%+ here was based solely on an expectation of Rpg SFF and not that Lloyd/Kratos would be turbo-fodder. Really? Wasn't it expected because of it being an extremely strong rivalry? (as Scorpion/Sub-Zero and Ryu/Ken showed to be...) --- I think I broke the LOL |
Match XXVI: (4) Kratos/Zeus vs. (5) Professor Layton/Don Paolo Previous Contest Kratos – 2010 60.98% against Miles “Tails” Prower 45.51% against Charizard Zeus – N/A N/A Professor Layton – 2010 31.21% against Isaac Don Paolo – N/A N/A Analysis Usually matches between four and five seeds are supposed to be debated, but stuff happens and we could be in for a huge blowout. Also Zeus is our second fictional character in the bracket though given his placement in the bracket whether or not he has any strength won’t matter since his fate in this contest has been sealed. In terms of being the strongest character in the pair Professor Layton has a really good case at being the weakest character in the bracket. Don Paolo while having a decent rivalry with Professor Layton is not going to be much help in the pair as he also has a case at being the weakest overall character in the bracket. Either way this match is destined to get rather ugly quickly. Despite getting God of War 3 last contest Kratos was cut short before he could make a deep run into the contest. Kratos by himself would easily win this match and while I don’t feel there are a large number of Greek mythology enthusiasts on GameFAQs I do feel that people will respect the rivalry that goes on between Kratos and Zeus. I see a lot of people that feel Kratos and Zeus may not break 70%, but just looking at Layton’s performance against Isaac just last contest suggests that Kratos and Zeus could be pushing for 80%. Even with all of the blowouts I don’t see Kratos and Zeus breaking 80%, but a tripling should be attainable. charmander6000’s Bracket: Kratos/Zeus > Professor Layton/Don Paolo charmander6000’s Prediction: Kratos/Zeus wins, 76.79% - 23.21% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 21/22 Today: Chell/GlaDOS & Frog/Magus |
ToS
is a very popular rpg on this site, I wouldn't really assume anything
to smash its most powerful rivalry combining its two strongest
characters by 80% without SFF or some other weirdness. The rivalry
really is stronger than the sum of its parts. The Cloud/Seph rivalry
strength boost may have been nullified today because of that. That said its hard to take positives for Cloud/Seph out of today, personally I think they're doing on par with expectations if your expectations of them are for a comfortable ~47% defeat to Link. I wouldn't really support that this is an underperformance though. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
Why their picture is from KH thought? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #301 The main problem with games is that there isn't anything even remotely on FFVII's level aside from OoT, so even when it looks "bad," it still looks good. Plus, FFVII didn't really face anything too terrible in the last Games Contest anyway. It didn't have any "all fodder" matches. FFVII still had issues with the board vote in the last Games Contest though. Behold! Round 1 vs. MK64/SF64/Suikoden: 47.57% at the freeze, finished with 55.05% Round 2 vs. GE007/SMRPG/MK64: 37.87% at the freeze, finished with 47.30% Round 3 vs. GE007/SM64/CT: 35.23% at the freeze, finished with 41.25% Round 4 vs. LTTP/FFVI/SM64: 33.31% at the freeze, finished with 40.06% Round 5 vs. SMW/SMB3/LTTP: 39.98% at the freeze, finished with 44.77% Finals vs. LTTP/OoT/FFX: 33.83% at the freeze, finished with 36.75% So the early struggles are still there. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
From: transience | #324 Again? Symphonia as a game has always been pretty strong. It finished 21st in GOTD final X-Stats. The game itself has always been pretty popular, especially considering what it is (a non-FF/CT JRPG) and considering no other game in the series is anywhere close to being as popular. I feel like rivalries can sometimes evoke feelings from the games themselves, so characters who are weak normally but come from strong games may get a bit of a boost. Lloyd and Kratos aren't terrible fodder to begin with. Either one of them would beat Raynor or Kerrigan 1-on-1 pretty easily. That being said, this is still not a great performance. Certainly not what you were hoping for if you were hoping for Cloud/Sephy beating Link/Ganon. --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
I laugh every time someone thinks Cloud/Seph can beat Link. Especially after next week. --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
From: ChemisTRE | #322 From: The_Djoker | #329 Honestly, both of those games make me sick. --- Official Marth of the SSBU Board Sign here http://bit.ly/qqDDST and copy this to your sig if you want Majora's Mask 3D. |
You
know, I wonder if the lower vote totals hurt Cloud/Sephy here. That
slow start becomes harder to counteract when there aren't as many votes
going around the rest of the poll to help you out. Although I suppose having fewer votes at the start of the poll could cancel that out, but I dunno. Cloud/Sephy have been averaging 78%+ for the last 7 hours, and they're not going to get anywhere close to that. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
We'll see how things go when they get a full 24 hours to recover. --- I wish I could wear skirts and dresses :( -GMUN |
I thinkCloud/Seph will beat Link/Ganon. People don't give a **** about Ganon. In terms of popularity it goes Link>>>Cloud>>>Sephiroth>>>>>>>Ganon --- http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l271/Mithos_2006/OoTownsFFVII.jpg |
Wow, might not even get to 77%. Even Terra
got a bigger blowout this round. If these lower votals are causing anti
votes to become more prominent, then Cloud better watch out for Snake. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
Going
to 24 hours should save Cloud/Seph against Solid/Liquid. Snake had
everything going for him against Cloud after beating Sephiroth, but
despite a strong start and a desperate stall through the TDZ, he
couldn't go with him once the morning vote came. The Snakes will do well
just to replicate that scenario, IMO. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
