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#1 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 11:49:48 AM | message detail
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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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#2 | whatisurnameplz | Posted 11/14/2011 12:26:52 PM | message detail | (edited)
Wow...I knew Chrono Trigger wasn't as nearly as strong as it used to be, but this is just embarassing!

edit: I think this proves once and for all that multi-game rivalries>>>single-game rivalries.
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#3 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 12:38:17 PM | message detail
Yep, my bracket's boned.

Frog/Magus may beat Chell/GlaDOS next round, but I don't see them beating Alucard/Dracula with a performance like this. Keep in mind that Raiden/Vamp was in the same vote-in poll with Yuna/Seymour. Fox/Wolf 60/40'd Yuna/Seymour, while Frog/Magus are piddling around in the mid 50s.
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#4 | Sorozone | Posted 11/14/2011 12:41:07 PM | message detail
I switched between Frog/Magus, Chell/GlaDOS match so many times. I switched it back to Frog/Magus at the end, like literally 1 hour before the deadline. They better not choke. I have Alucard/Dracula winning the division though.
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#5 | JJH777 | Posted 11/14/2011 12:41:30 PM | message detail
Phoenix/Edgeworth to win division!
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#6 | ZFS | Posted 11/14/2011 12:41:36 PM | message detail
It's tough to say how strong Raiden/Vamp are, but this is still disappointing for Frog/Magus. Site has really turned against Chrono Trigger as of late. Snake's probably going to crush Crono.
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#7 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 12:42:21 PM | message detail
Phoenix/Edgeworth vs. Frog/Magus

Who ya got?
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#8 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 12:44:20 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #007
Phoenix/Edgeworth vs. Frog/Magus

Who ya got?


I'd take Raiden/Vamp over Gordon/Breen and feel pretty good about it, so Frog/Magus, I guess.
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#9 | ZFS | Posted 11/14/2011 12:45:04 PM | message detail
I'll take Frog/Magus there. I'd take Raiden/Vamp over Gordon/Breen pretty easy.
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#10 | Neosadus | Posted 11/14/2011 12:46:47 PM | message detail
I'm missing the good ol' days of jrpgs...

*Looks down in shame, turns away slowly, and quietly walks away.*
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#11 | Haste_2 | Posted 11/14/2011 12:47:35 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's sad to see such a disappointing performance. I bet if sprites were used they would be doing quite a bit better, though. We (that is, we folks who want Frog/Magus to get as far as possible) can always hope they will get such an advantage by the time they face Alucard/Dracula. I got team Alucard winning that in my bracket.... they didn't do quite as well on Shepard/Soren as I had wanted, so I'll still give Frog/Magus a small shot of winning in the third round. But too me it feels like they're about as likely to lose to Chell/GlaDOS.
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#12 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/14/2011 12:49:38 PM | message detail
At least it's a day match. That should be good for a couple percentage points when we convert to 24 hour matches.
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#13 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 12:49:48 PM | message detail
While we're at it...rank the losing rivalries in this division:

Gordon/Breen
Shepard/Saren
Ness/Giygas
Raiden/Vamp
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#14 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 12:50:16 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #012
At least it's a day match. That should be good for a couple percentage points when we convert to 24 hour matches.


It's not like MGS is a day vote stud!
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#15 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/14/2011 12:53:57 PM | message detail
Does this mean Crono/Lavos > Frog/Magus? Crono/Magus would be stronger than them both probably.
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#16 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 12:57:23 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #015
Does this mean Crono/Lavos > Frog/Magus? Crono/Magus would be stronger than them both probably.


It's looking very possible at this point.

Wanna wait and see what Crono/Lavos do and what Frog/Magus do next round.
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#17 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/14/2011 1:03:40 PM | message detail | (edited)
Good lord, Frog/Magus have lost a lot of ground! They're at 56.58% now. Chell/GlaDOS should probably be the slight favorite next round, at this point; remember, Frogus is going up against the Portal duo during the day.

If Frogus does make it to the division final, though, there is a silver lining: they'll almost assuredly have a sprite pic, which could help them pull off a miracle against Aludrac. I'm not getting my hopes up for that scenario, but I suppose it's something to consider.
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#18 | KingButz | Posted 11/14/2011 1:07:25 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #013
While we're at it...rank the losing rivalries in this division:

Gordon/Breen
Shepard/Saren
Ness/Giygas
Raiden/Vamp




Shepard/Saren
Raiden/Vamp
Gordon/Breen
Ness/Giygas

And Frog is getting slain by this ASV. It is possible that we actually see him lose an hour today.
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#19 | KingButz | Posted 11/14/2011 1:08:21 PM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #017
Good lord, Frog/Magus have lost a lot of ground! They're at 56.58% now. Chell/GlaDOS should probably be the slight favorite next round, at this point; remember, Frogus is going up against the Portal duo during the day.


Its a 24 hour match
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#20 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/14/2011 1:10:13 PM | message detail
KingButz posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #017
Good lord, Frog/Magus have lost a lot of ground! They're at 56.58% now. Chell/GlaDOS should probably be the slight favorite next round, at this point; remember, Frogus is going up against the Portal duo during the day.

Its a 24 hour match


Wait, we're switching to 24-hour matches... in Round Two? >_>

Still though, I'm having a harder and harder time picturing Frogus > ChellDOS. That ASV is going to be ugly.
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#21 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/14/2011 1:11:59 PM | message detail
Wait, we're switching to 24-hour matches... in Round Two? >_>

Yup! I am totally hyped for 24 hours of Mario/Bowser vs. Ike/Black Knight!
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#22 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/14/2011 1:15:43 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Wait, we're switching to 24-hour matches... in Round Two? >_>

Yup! I am totally hyped for 24 hours of Mario/Bowser vs. Ike/Black Knight!


Yikes, man. Really not sure what Bacon was thinking there. :\

I'm just glad R1 matches were twelve hours, though. 24 hours of Bartz/Guybrush and Terra/Vyse would have been cringe-worthy.
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#23 | KingButz | Posted 11/14/2011 1:17:07 PM | message detail
Dat GlaDOS ASV is going to be brutal to Frog and Magus. They had better build up a good lead during the night.
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#24 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/14/2011 1:19:45 PM | message detail
From: KingButz | #018
And Frog is getting slain by this ASV. It is possible that we actually see him lose an hour today.

I feel I should point out they've still only lost one update so far.
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#25 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 1:21:57 PM | message detail

From: TheCodeisBosco | #022
Yikes, man. Really not sure what Bacon was thinking there. :\


I don't really see the problem with switching to 24 hour matches just because you're going to have some slaughters like Mario/Ike.

24 hour matches make for better matches as a whole than 12 hour matches, so I'm willing to go through some duds to get the better stuff.
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#26 | KingButz | Posted 11/14/2011 2:04:14 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | #024
From: KingButz | #018
And Frog is getting slain by this ASV. It is possible that we actually see him lose an hour today.

I feel I should point out they've still only lost one update so far.


While I noticed this, the possibility still exists, even if it is unlikely.
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#27 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 2:05:29 PM | message detail
Nah, it's not going to happen. Even at this point, Frog/Magus are still doing 55/45 hours.
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#28 | LOLContests | Posted 11/14/2011 2:26:18 PM | message detail
I'm just glad R1 matches were twelve hours, though. 24 hours of Bartz/Guybrush and Terra/Vyse would have been cringe-worthy.

I'd rather have 24 hours of those matches then more POTDs.
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#29 | shane15 | Posted 11/14/2011 4:06:57 PM | message detail
Europe is favouring ChellDOS a lot more than Ness and Frogus.I can see them pulling it off or it being really close.If this current match had been a night match Raiden and Vamp would've been a lot closer IMO.
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#30 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 4:40:26 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #028
I'm just glad R1 matches were twelve hours, though. 24 hours of Bartz/Guybrush and Terra/Vyse would have been cringe-worthy.

I'd rather have 24 hours of those matches then more POTDs.


ZING!

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#31 | paerarru | Posted 11/14/2011 4:59:06 PM | message detail | (edited)
Meh, this is MGS strength. It's expected. Next round they'll be doing much better.

Still, yeah, it shows it's gonna be a good fight. One of the best fights in the contest I think.

I mean the Castlevania fight of course.
#32 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/14/2011 5:21:29 PM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/14/2011 4:15:43 PM | message detail | quote
Yikes, man. Really not sure what Bacon was thinking there. :\


We still get a 47 day contest out of all this, compared to a normal 63 day contest if everything was 24 hours. The 47 days doesn't count the 24 hour period between the semifinals and the final match where we don't have any matches at all, although a bonus match is still possible for that day.


As of right now, night match vote totals currently have an average of 29280, so bringing that average up to 30000 would require the last 4 night matches to average at least 32158 votes or more. Cloud/Sephiroth could certainly break that number and probably Squall/Seifer as well, but I probably expect Crash/Cortex and Dante/Vergil to get under 30000 votes.
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#33 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 5:22:38 PM | message detail
Lloyd and Kratos look great. Too bad about their opponent.
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#34 | greatone10 | Posted 11/14/2011 5:26:36 PM | message detail
I don't think Portal did as well as they really needed to against Earthbound in order to beat Frogus, but I would certainly entertain Phoenix as the second strongest at this rate.
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#35 | Pizzaknight | Posted 11/14/2011 5:54:46 PM | message detail | (edited)
The only match I care about in Round 1 now is Team Crash vs. Team Pac. Team Ivalice will lose their souls, and Team Hitler will lose another war, even if 4chan launches a blitzkrieg.
#36 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 5:56:19 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #033
Lloyd and Kratos look great. Too bad about their opponent.


Hey wtf, I made the other picture. KH models rock face.
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#37 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 5:57:19 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #036
KH models rock face.


I personally don't think any KH models look better than their original FF counterparts.
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#38 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 5:58:01 PM | message detail
I meant too bad about their opponents being potentially the winner of the contest.
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#39 | transience | Posted 11/14/2011 6:26:21 PM | message detail
I wish Kratos/Zeus had a real path. switch them with Ness/Gigyas and it would be a crazy debate.
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#40 | whatisurnameplz | Posted 11/14/2011 6:34:56 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #030
ZING!

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Don Paolo looks like an evil version of Nigel Thornberry.
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#41 | transience | Posted 11/14/2011 6:42:02 PM | message detail
I just noticed that Arthas barely edged Lloyd in a vote-in poll. direct Cloud/Link comparisons through bottom tier fodder? hell yes. let's do this tonight.
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#42 | abdou | Posted 11/14/2011 6:48:23 PM | message detail
Cloud/Seph antivotes will probably keep them from looking good
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#43 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 6:49:11 PM | message detail
#44 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/14/2011 6:55:39 PM | message detail
This'll be ugly. I feel like we've seen Final Fantasy vs. Fails before and it was brutal.
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#45 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/14/2011 6:56:59 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #044
I feel like we've seen Final Fantasy vs. Fails before and it was brutal.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2792

That's the only poll they've ever shared.
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#46 | pjbasis | Posted 11/14/2011 6:57:00 PM | message detail
Oh yeah they'll manage 80% for sure.
#47 | pjbasis | Posted 11/14/2011 6:57:36 PM | message detail
Tales of in second place, LOL.
#48 | swordz9 | Posted 11/14/2011 7:08:19 PM | message detail
The Lloyd/Kratos pic is pretty good. Never cared about Cloud/Seph so no image will make me think anything positive of them. The match is going to be very ugly for Lloyd/Kratos.
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#49 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/14/2011 7:09:29 PM | message detail
Match XXV: (1) Cloud Strife/Sephiroth vs. (8) Lloyd Irving/Kratos Aurion

Previous Contest

Cloud Strife – 2010
71.72% against Ridley
71.99% against Chris Redfield
69.93% against Captain Falcon
65.98% against Ryu
52.81% against Samus Aran
52.09% against Solid Snake
46.46% against Link

Sephiroth – 2010
71.80% against Marth
62.66% against Vincent Valentine
52.88% against Missingno
56.16% against Tifa Lockhart
47.04% against Solid Snake

Lloyd Irving – 2010
32.75% against Fox McCloud

Kratos Aurion – 2010
45.42% against Sackboy

Analysis

Going by individual strength Cloud and Sephiroth is by far the strongest pair in the contest. That’s what happens when you have two noble nine characters pairing up. Of course this doesn’t mean that they will crush everyone and in fact they aren’t even considered the favourites to win the contest as of yet. This will mark their first step in their bid to win the contest.

In the vote-ins Lloyd and Kratos were barely able to make the contest and given that the characters around them have been horribly crushed the same fate could be in store for them. Some people suggest that there might be RPG SFF in this match, but personally I feel that we are going a bit too far with calling everything SFF. Even if it did exist I would claim it would be a lot less in this match given that the pairs are rather separated from their console origins and thus will probably have less overlap.

The only thing that is stopping this match from getting the biggest blowout of the contest is anti-votes. As seen at the beginning of matches last contest anti-votes were a big problem for Cloud and Sephiroth. If it shows up again this contest it will mask the true strength of Cloud and Sephiroth and we would have to wait a few rounds to see if they have a chance against Link and Ganondorf.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Cloud Strife/Sephiroth > Lloyd Irving/Kratos Aurion

charmander6000’s Prediction: Cloud Strife/Sephiroth wins, 85.30% - 14.70%
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#50 | junk_funk | Posted 11/14/2011 7:23:40 PM | message detail
If rivalries matter, and these are two N9 characters having a rivalry, I got to go with a bigger blowout than Link and Mario. Considering the competition can't even top Midna.

Then again, Edgeworth couldn't top Midna either.
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