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#351 | GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/14/2011 9:15:48 AM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #347
I've only played MGS2 (well an hour of MGS4 so far but haven't seen Raiden), but is the rivalry between Raiden and Vamp significantly better in MGS4 or something? I don't remember them being much of rivals at all outside of some boss fights in MGS2


I've played through the entire series in the past few months
Raiden/Vamp is.... not a rivalry actually, I'm not sure why people nominated this in the first place
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#352 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:17:17 AM | message detail
Why the hell did I pick Frog/Magus in spread betting.

Ouch.

Well... if we see Frog/Magus lose next round, maybe we avoid some perfects! >_>
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#353 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/14/2011 9:17:43 AM | message detail
I've played through the entire series in the past few months
Raiden/Vamp is.... not a rivalry actually, I'm not sure why people nominated this in the first place


It's a rivalry to some extent. They have two pretty awesome fights and it carries on from their relationship in MGS2
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#354 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/14/2011 9:19:25 AM | message detail
Uggghhh I forgot about the spread. But yeah, that's one silver lining in all of this: if they continue to fall, then it does make their R2 match the least predictable so far. I'd like to know how many of the perfects will risk a 43-match streak on Frog/Magus if they end up at 55% here.
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#355 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/14/2011 9:21:23 AM | message detail
Frog and Magus getting fairly consistent update wins here
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#356 | Janus5000 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:25:40 AM | message detail
Oh hey, Frog and Magus sucking.

This isn't even a surprise anymore. Why do I keep taking these chumps to do well? >_<
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#357 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/14/2011 9:26:50 AM | message detail
#358 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:27:50 AM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #357
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3731

What I wanna know is why anyone took Frog/Magus over Alucard in the first place.


I forgot to look at my bracket before the deadline.
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#359 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/14/2011 9:28:31 AM | message detail
Yoblazer on The Show is what convinced me to take Frog/Magus to win the division.

WHY DO I KEEP LISTENING TO HIM. FIRST SUNSHINE, NOW THIS.

Although I will say that Raiden/Vamp are both awesome. I love playing MGO as Raiden and facing Vamp.

"I can't die just yet."

Raiden > Snake imo
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#360 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/14/2011 9:29:20 AM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/14/2011 12:19:25 PM | message detail | quote
Uggghhh I forgot about the spread. But yeah, that's one silver lining in all of this: if they continue to fall, then it does make their R2 match the least predictable so far. I'd like to know how many of the perfects will risk a 43-match streak on Frog/Magus if they end up at 55% here.


I'm not perfect because I decided to pick against Donkey Kong in the battle challenge. But once I get past the Crash/Pac-Man and Siegfried/Ramza matches, it's smooth sailing until Dante/Sora (that might be my first bank).
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#361 | Janus5000 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:29:28 AM | message detail
The addition of Frog was supposed to help Magus a lot more than the addition of Dracula helped Alucard, simple as that.

Silly me, thinking the addition of Frog would help anything.
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#362 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/14/2011 9:30:30 AM | message detail
Hey, they still have a shot. Maybe Raiden/Vamp beat Shepard/Saren easily. People here were thinking too highly of Shepard anyway.
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#363 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/14/2011 9:30:40 AM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #359"
Raiden > Snake imo


so very right.
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#364 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/14/2011 9:32:27 AM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #359
Raiden > Snake imo


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#365 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 11/14/2011 9:34:08 AM | message detail
Obviously, Frog/Magus had to go to the percentage I had them to for the oracle before I changed it.

Sooo lame.
#366 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/14/2011 9:36:41 AM | message detail
For what it's worth I'd take Raiden/Vamp over Shepard/Saren pretty easily.
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#367 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:37:11 AM | message detail
I thought that they could beat Chell.Now I don't believe it.Still it will be a good match.
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#368 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 9:37:32 AM | message detail
Raiden really is a better character than Solid Snake.

Big Boss wrecks them all though.
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#369 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:38:36 AM | message detail
There is still a chance that Phoenix/Edgeworth expose the vampires, but I doubt it somehow. I'm not worried about Frog/Magus losing in R2 either... I'm not even sure I'd take Chell/GlaDOS over Raiden/Vamp.
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#370 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 9:41:50 AM | message detail
Snake=Raiden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Big Boss
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#371 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/14/2011 9:44:57 AM | message detail
Snake's a better character than people give him credit for. Certainly in MGS1 and 2.
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#372 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/14/2011 9:45:32 AM | message detail
Big Boss is the best. I've actually had a girl ask me if she could pretend I was Big Boss during lovemaking. I told her "fine, but only if I can pretend YOU are Big Boss."
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#373 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 9:46:08 AM | message detail
Snake is a fantastic character in every game he's in. I would certainly hope people haven't forgotten that.
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#374 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/14/2011 9:46:27 AM | message detail
Snake is a bad character. Doesn't come close to Big Boss.
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#375 | Kamekguy | Posted 11/14/2011 9:47:40 AM | message detail
Don't even try to pretend that Snake isn't an awful character in MGS1 outside of one-liners. MGS2 and Act 5 of MGS4 are where he becomes a damn good character.
#376 | Karma Hunter | Posted 11/14/2011 9:49:34 AM | message detail
Kamekguy posted...
Don't even try to pretend that Snake isn't an awful character in MGS1 outside of one-liners.

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#377 | BlackMetalex | Posted 11/14/2011 9:50:11 AM | message detail
Legitimate question: has Snake ever done anything significant that he wasn't unknowingly manipulated by someone else into doing?
#378 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/14/2011 9:50:27 AM | message detail
^ wow, this new guy has the best sig I've ever seen.
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#379 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/14/2011 9:50:59 AM | message detail
Kay Aitch sighting!
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#380 | Pizzaknight | Posted 11/14/2011 9:51:05 AM | message detail
Geez, people are so quick to bash the strength of CT characters!

The most likely explanation is that Raiden/Vamp actually isn't as weak as most people thought they would be. I was confident that it would break 40, but still lose to Frog/Magus in the end.

CT sure ain't anywhere near top level (besides Crono), but Frog and Magus have only lost to legitimate midcarders or better.
#381 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 9:51:52 AM | message detail
Hey yoblazer, Jill has an UMVC3 DLC alt that looks like her old design.

And Snake in MGS2 is his own force. In MGS4 he's 'technically' manipulated but it's more him cleaning up Big Boss' mess. He would've done it either way.
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#382 | Karma Hunter | Posted 11/14/2011 9:53:51 AM | message detail
BlackMetalex posted...
Legitimate question: has Snake ever done anything significant that he wasn't unknowingly manipulated by someone else into doing?

There's a lot, but his signature mission in Metal Gear is a textbook case - Big Boss *tried* to manipulate him into failing the mission, but Snake succeeded despite that and defeated him.
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#383 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 9:54:36 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #372
Big Boss is the best. I've actually had a girl ask me if she could pretend I was Big Boss during lovemaking. I told her "fine, but only if I can pretend YOU are Big Boss."


Best post ever.

But yeah Snake is only really good in MGS2.
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#384 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 9:54:52 AM | message detail
MGS4 Snake is the best.
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#385 | Kamekguy | Posted 11/14/2011 9:56:28 AM | message detail
But it's so much fun telling people that they're awful human beings for disagreeing with my opinions on video game characters.
#386 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/14/2011 9:58:15 AM | message detail | (edited)
Karma f***ing HUNTER

yeaahhh

Also Snake in MGS4 is one of the most amazing tragic heroes. He's an awesome character - the fact that Big Boss is probably (well, definitely) better shouldn't change that.
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#387 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 9:58:57 AM | message detail
I will never understand the BB love. He's a terrible character if you look past the surface.
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#388 | MarquessLaus | Posted 11/14/2011 10:08:15 AM | message detail | (edited)
Legitimate question: has Snake ever done anything significant that he wasn't unknowingly manipulated by someone else into doing?

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As opposed to Raiden? Or Big Boss? Big Boss tries to get away from this in PW but Miller talked him into expanding Mother Base, getting Metal Gear, getting himself a nuke, taking a mission against the CIA, and who knows what else. The protagonists of MG are all pawns until after the credits of MGS4.
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#389 | Karma Hunter | Posted 11/14/2011 10:02:46 AM | message detail
*Might* wanna edit that post for spoilers considering that's one of the biggest plot twists of the most recent MGS game.
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#390 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 10:04:17 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #387
I will never understand the BB love. He's a terrible character if you look past the surface.


Big Boss actually acts of his own accord and deals with FAR worse than Solid ever does. This isn't even up for debate.

Maybe you like someone who is a glorified puppet, I don't.
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#391 | Kamekguy | Posted 11/14/2011 10:05:45 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
I will never understand the BB love. He's a terrible character if you look past the surface.

I can't name another character who causes world events to revolve around him entirely based on the fact that multiple people want to sleep with him.
#392 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 10:05:55 AM | message detail
BB is the biggest idiot in the series. he 'acts of his own accord' by completely destroying his mentors last wishes and tries to create a horrendous world of violence. There is absolutely nothing likable about him. Snake knows he's being manipulated sometimes, but he doesn't care as long as he does the right thing.
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#393 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 10:06:47 AM | message detail
Oh, and microwave scene alone>>everything BB ever had to 'deal with'. BB had it easy compared to Snake. Friends, allies, fame.
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#394 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/14/2011 10:06:51 AM | message detail
But that's why the ending of MGS4 is so good, because Snake finally breaks free of being a puppet.

(obv Ocelot > all though tbqh)
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#395 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 10:08:38 AM | message detail

From: Kamekguy | #391
KamikazePotato posted...
I will never understand the BB love. He's a terrible character if you look past the surface.

I can't name another character who causes world events to revolve around him entirely based on the fact that multiple people want to sleep with him.


Ulti pulls that off pretty well.
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#396 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/14/2011 10:10:03 AM | message detail
But really, BB is the MGS version of Che Guevara. He's a monster who manages to convince everyone around him (in-universe and out of it) that he's someone worth believing in.
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#397 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/14/2011 10:11:12 AM | message detail
I'm just sayin', Frog/Magus are bleeding quite a bit of percentage right now...!
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#398 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/14/2011 10:11:17 AM | message detail
You *are* aware it was Zero that destroyed The Boss's last wishes, right?
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#399 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/14/2011 10:11:58 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #396
But really, BB is the MGS version of Che Guevara. He's a monster who manages to convince everyone around him (in-universe and out of it) that he's someone worth believing in.


And that's f***ing amazing

He only really becomes a monster by Metal Gear 1/2 though tbqh. MGS3, PO and PW chart that descent pretty well, imo.
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#400 | Karma Hunter | Posted 11/14/2011 10:13:46 AM | message detail
Big Boss isn't a *total* monster, but PW definitely establishes that he's a bitter and flawed individual. That's not a bad thing as far as characterization goes, of course.

Snake in MGS1 gets a worse rap though, and it's undeserved. That's actually the game where he gets his MOST characterization. He just happens to be an unrepentant sociopath at the beginning of it!
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