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#401 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 9:48:18 PM | message detail
Hrm... I'm thinking about banking on Alucard/Shepard. I've been pretty confident about taking Alucard to round 2 up till this point, but I just know if I don't bank soon, my luck is going to run out, and I'll be stuck with zero points.

Would be a hell of a lot easier to figure out if I knew how many brackets were left after tonight's match.
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#402 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/12/2011 9:49:12 PM | message detail
Glad I staked my battle on Phoenix...

though a small part of me really wants a comeback here. >_> Go Gordon!
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#403 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 9:50:04 PM | message detail
I'm 99.9% confident that Alucard/Dracula win at this point. I wouldn't worry about that one too much.

This match (and several others) have shown the importance of having a partner who's actually worth something, and Saren won't be much of anything for Shepard, while Dracula should help Alucard.
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#404 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/12/2011 9:50:20 PM | message detail
Alucard should be an even bigger favorite after this. Saren is closer to Dr. Breen than he is to an actual quality rival.
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#405 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/12/2011 9:50:50 PM | message detail
I would take Gordon, but very narrowly. So does this match make people finally accept that current Phoenix isn't the same one we saw in 2006? He does have advantages over Gordon here but it's a big enough difference (Gordon was easily winning at this point in 2006) to say that things have changed.
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#406 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/12/2011 9:52:26 PM | message detail
So does this match make people finally accept that current Phoenix isn't the same one we saw in 2006?

All it tells me is that rivalries matter. We've seen plenty of other matches where weak character look better than they actually are due to rivalries.
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#407 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/12/2011 9:52:44 PM | message detail
As impressive as we thought getting 39% on Pikachu was Alucard would probably have done just as good/if not better and this time Shepard won't have Mass Effect 2 being released 3 weeks before the match.
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#408 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 9:53:19 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
I would take Gordon, but very narrowly. So does this match make people finally accept that current Phoenix isn't the same one we saw in 2006? He does have advantages over Gordon here but it's a big enough difference (Gordon was easily winning at this point in 2006) to say that things have changed.

This has less to do with individual strength than it does RMF. 2010 x-stats puts Phoenix at 42% on Gordon.
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#409 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 9:53:31 PM | message detail
39% on Pikachu was impressive considering how weak Shepard had been previously.

But that's not exactly a high water mark. Pikachu's not that strong.
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#410 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 9:54:41 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
As impressive as we thought getting 39% on Pikachu was Alucard would probably have done just as good/if not better and this time Shepard won't have Mass Effect 2 being released 3 weeks before the match.

Well, Shepard and Alucard are pretty close to each other in the stats, I've just never played a castlevania game, so I have to take others' word on the idea of it being a legitimate rivalry.
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#411 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/12/2011 9:54:59 PM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
I would take Gordon, but very narrowly. So does this match make people finally accept that current Phoenix isn't the same one we saw in 2006? He does have advantages over Gordon here but it's a big enough difference (Gordon was easily winning at this point in 2006) to say that things have changed.

This has less to do with individual strength than it does RMF. 2010 x-stats puts Phoenix at 42% on Gordon.


2010 Gordon is hideously overrated due to Tifa. Frankly, I don't buy Gordon being as strong as he looked in 2010. And if you compare 2010 Phoenix to 2006 Gordon, he gets 49.5%. That at the very least says that he's gotten a lot better.
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#412 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 9:55:39 PM | message detail
oh snap

percentage INCREASE
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#413 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 9:55:54 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
39% on Pikachu was impressive considering how weak Shepard had been previously.

But that's not exactly a high water mark. Pikachu's not that strong.


I dunno, stats show Pikachu as a high mid-carder at worst.
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#414 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 9:56:47 PM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #413
I dunno, stats show Pikachu as a high mid-carder at worst.


Which is fine.

But 39% on Pikachu isn't the performance of a very strong character. It's the performance of a decent midcarder.
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#415 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 9:56:56 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Greyfeld posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
I would take Gordon, but very narrowly. So does this match make people finally accept that current Phoenix isn't the same one we saw in 2006? He does have advantages over Gordon here but it's a big enough difference (Gordon was easily winning at this point in 2006) to say that things have changed.

This has less to do with individual strength than it does RMF. 2010 x-stats puts Phoenix at 42% on Gordon.

2010 Gordon is hideously overrated due to Tifa. Frankly, I don't buy Gordon being as strong as he looked in 2010. And if you compare 2010 Phoenix to 2006 Gordon, he gets 49.5%. That at the very least says that he's gotten a lot better.


I don't go by raw x-stats, so I dunno if that makes any difference. I tend to use Leon's adjusted x-stats, since they seem pretty reliable.
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#416 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/12/2011 9:57:44 PM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
And if you compare 2010 Phoenix to 2006 Gordon, he gets 49.5%. That at the very least says that he's gotten a lot better.

Since 2006, Gordon has had Ep 2 and with it the Orange Box which was MASSIVE. And put him on consoles, whih is not insignificant on this site. Gordon is a lot stronger than then.
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#417 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/12/2011 9:57:46 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
39% on Pikachu was impressive considering how weak Shepard had been previously.

But that's not exactly a high water mark. Pikachu's not that strong.


45% on Snake (even with the sprite picture) in a year where Snake got damn good. Pikachu's pretty strong. That said, not expecting Shepard to measure up to last year. He has a bit of RMF, but then again, Dracula>Saren. I would take Alucard over him 1-on-1 but it would be kind of close. Dracula is a HUGE unknown one way or the other though, and I'm lost here.
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#418 | Achromatic | Posted 11/12/2011 9:57:57 PM | message detail
I don't use x-stats a lot often. I just look at how the matches themselves broke down. Xstats are a nice tool but even adjusted ones have flaws.
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#419 | Achromatic | Posted 11/12/2011 9:58:19 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #417
LeonhartFour posted...
39% on Pikachu was impressive considering how weak Shepard had been previously.

But that's not exactly a high water mark. Pikachu's not that strong.


45% on Snake (even with the sprite picture) in a year where Snake got damn good. Pikachu's pretty strong. That said, not expecting Shepard to measure up to last year. He has a bit of RMF, but then again, Dracula>Saren. I would take Alucard over him 1-on-1 but it would be kind of close. Dracula is a HUGE unknown one way or the other though, and I'm lost here.


Frog got 47% on sprite snake <_<
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#420 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 9:59:02 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | #416
Since 2006, Gordon has had Ep 2 and with it the Orange Box which was MASSIVE. And put him on consoles, whih is not insignificant on this site. Gordon is a lot stronger than then.


Well, at one point, he was stronger than he was in 2006.

But when was Gordon's last appearance?

45% on Snake can be thrown out the window as far as Pikachu's concerned. He might be worth 40% on Snake, but that's a best case scenario, in my opinion.

Which, again, isn't bad. But he's not threatening to beat any Noble Niners or anything.
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#421 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 10:00:09 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
I don't use x-stats a lot often. I just look at how the matches themselves broke down. Xstats are a nice tool but even adjusted ones have flaws.

I agree completely, and I often refer to specific matches when trying to make eyeball judgements. But I like using them as a rough gauge of strength from time to time.
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#422 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 10:00:42 PM | message detail
Phoenix up 750 at the end of one hour.
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#423 | Achromatic | Posted 11/12/2011 10:01:18 PM | message detail
That update looks bad until you consider the last one was really, really good.

So they average together to keep the trend I think.
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#424 | pjbasis | Posted 11/12/2011 10:02:53 PM | message detail
All I know is Link is toast.
#425 | izNotPerfect | Posted 11/12/2011 10:03:05 PM | message detail
Well my bracket lost here...good night everyone.
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#426 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/12/2011 10:03:53 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Frog got 47% on sprite snake <_<

In Snake's weakest year, and Square's (particularly Chrono Trigger's) best. Pikachu did that in Snake's STRONGEST year, with a better Snake pic to boot.

nintendogirl1 posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
And if you compare 2010 Phoenix to 2006 Gordon, he gets 49.5%. That at the very least says that he's gotten a lot better.

Since 2006, Gordon has had Ep 2 and with it the Orange Box which was MASSIVE. And put him on consoles, whih is not insignificant on this site. Gordon is a lot stronger than then.


Since 2007, Gordon has had absolutely nothing.

I would actually say he's gotten weaker. People forget just how bad Gordon looked in 2010, barely beating Peach and looking directly weaker than Big Daddy. I mean, he may be a little stronger than 2006 overall, but not much, while 2010 Phoenix would beat 2006 Phoenix almost as badly as Gordon did.
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#427 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 10:04:05 PM | message detail
Oh right, yesterday's chart:

Time | Megawily | Bantilda | Votes
0:05 | 76.03% | 23.97% | 463
1:00 | 76.71% | 23.29% | 4486
2:00 | 77.13% | 22.87% | 3914
3:00 | 76.56% | 23.44% | 3511
4:00 | 77.10% | 22.90% | 3039
5:00 | 77.46% | 22.54% | 2982
6:00 | 77.26% | 22.74% | 2757
7:00 | 77.43% | 22.57% | 2614
8:00 | 76.10% | 23.90% | 2335
9:00 | 78.06% | 21.94% | 2201
10:00 | 78.66% | 21.34% | 1968
11:00 | 80.61% | 19.39% | 1919
12:00 | 79.65% | 20.35% | 1715

MM/Wily push a quadrupling for the last couple of hours to push that percentage up a good bit late.
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#428 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/12/2011 10:07:30 PM | message detail
From the hour mark until noon in the first Gordon/Phoenix match, Gordon gained another 4%. So getting down to 54% here might not be impossible
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#429 | LOLContests | Posted 11/12/2011 10:07:56 PM | message detail
Since 2007, Gordon has had absolutely nothing.

What has Phoenix had since then? A couple of appearances and a playable role in MvC3. That's not much.
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#430 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 10:08:50 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #429
What has Phoenix had since then? A couple of appearances and a playable role in MvC3. That's not much.


Apparently, it's been more than enough.

The games themselves have sold more shipments since 2006, and general awareness of the character has raised considerably.
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#431 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/12/2011 10:09:26 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #420
But when was Gordon's last appearance?


The Orange Box in 2007. Gordon hasn't had any gaming exposure - no games, trailers, announcements, etc - in four years, and that's one of the main reasons I didn't side with him. Gordon is not nearly iconic enough to go that type of drought without losing strength (in fact, he's only had one decent bit of console exposure). I speculated that the Gordon of today is even weaker than the one that let Peach threaten a bit.

As soon as HL3 is announced, I expect to see Gordon bounce back, but until then, I probably won't take him in debated matches.
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#432 | th3l3fty | Posted 11/12/2011 10:09:37 PM | message detail
Phoenix had a lot more to gain from name recognition in the last 5 years than Gordon did
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#433 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/12/2011 10:10:32 PM | message detail
Phoenix Wright has had internet growth. Much, much more of the internet "gets" him and his meme now. That's plenty.
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#434 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/12/2011 10:12:42 PM | message detail
Phoenix has had three or four games, a consistent sales increase, a hyped UMvC3 appearance and an upcoming game in the space of four years. That kind of beats Gordon's 0. Actually, that beats a lot of characters. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who's had more than Phoenix has, which is why he keeps looking progressively better while most other characters stay static.
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#435 | ZFS | Posted 11/12/2011 10:18:33 PM | message detail
Perfect bracket continues!
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#436 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 10:22:18 PM | message detail
So what do we expect Phoenix/Edgey's prediction percentage to be? I claimed before the contest started that they would have a sizable advantage due to their 1 seed, but a few people disagreed.

So what do we think?
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#437 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 10:27:05 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
So what do we expect Phoenix/Edgey's prediction percentage to be? I claimed before the contest started that they would have a sizable advantage due to their 1 seed, but a few people disagreed.

So what do we think?


For the bracket, I think we'll probably see a worse prediction percentage than the Boss match. I'm sure the battle picks will do a bit better, though.
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#438 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 11/12/2011 10:37:16 PM | message detail
....It's MAHVEL baby
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#439 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/12/2011 10:41:42 PM | message detail
1000 vote lead breached

*sniff* Feenie is all grown up
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#440 | shinigami820 | Posted 11/12/2011 10:44:56 PM | message detail
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#441 | th3l3fty | Posted 11/12/2011 10:47:52 PM | message detail
he's even building up percentage!
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#442 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 11/12/2011 10:48:49 PM | message detail
Man, Wrighto is gonna bring so much hype
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#443 | greatone10 | Posted 11/12/2011 11:01:28 PM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #437
LeonhartFour posted...
So what do we expect Phoenix/Edgey's prediction percentage to be? I claimed before the contest started that they would have a sizable advantage due to their 1 seed, but a few people disagreed.

So what do we think?


For the bracket, I think we'll probably see a worse prediction percentage than the Boss match. I'm sure the battle picks will do a bit better, though.


I would expect a high bank percentage for this match, really. This was such a debated match that I can see people getting cold feet here and hedging their bets.

I have no idea how the bracket percentage will go...at all.
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#444 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/12/2011 11:07:32 PM | message detail
greatone10 posted...
I would expect a high bank percentage for this match, really. This was such a debated match that I can see people getting cold feet here and hedging their bets.

I have no idea how the bracket percentage will go...at all.


Probably, but the only people that were debating it were the people who were deluding themselves :P As a matter of fact, Junk_Funk is going to owe me a sig bet once this match is over :D
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#445 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/12/2011 11:08:23 PM | message detail
Still think there are at least 80-90 perfects after this at LEAST.
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#446 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/12/2011 11:31:08 PM | message detail
Tbh, this match was only debatable pre-contest, so I don't think we'll lose that many people with perfect battle picks.
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#447 | th3l3fty | Posted 11/12/2011 11:32:45 PM | message detail
and there's the first cut
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#448 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/12/2011 11:44:50 PM | message detail
Seems to be neatly levelling out. Freeman even made a cut.
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#449 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/12/2011 11:56:35 PM | message detail
Should be noted that it was a 7 vote cut immediately followed by a 60 vote gain >_>.

But yeah this is looking pretty static.
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#450 | Dwaze_Zaken | Posted 11/12/2011 11:59:30 PM | message detail
Anyone have the pic for the next battle? It's not in the album I saw on the TC's post.
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