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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1015
From: IngmarBirdman | #195 You mean which one will finish last or which one will get most screwed over? I think Dan/Sagat will finish under Vyse, because I don't expect Wesker to hold up well to The Bosses. That one could be ugly. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
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Dead last in the stats could be Conker/Poo. Mario/Bowser is going to do bad, bad things to Ike/Black Knight. That one may be worse than Jim/Queen. Also, whoever winds up dead last in Squall's division is probably going to end up looking really bad in the final stats (Thanks, Allen). For some reason, it feels like Bacon doesn't actually pay attention to who Squall's faced every year. We've already seen multiple Squall/Snake and Squall/Sora matches, and we're potentially on our way to Cloud/Squall III. And even if Snake/Liquid beat Cloud/Sephy, we still get another Squall/Snake! (Although admittedly that would be better for Squall/Seifer as a whole) --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
LeonhartFour posted... But the issue here is that you're comparing 1-on-1 strength, and we've already seen that doesn't necessarily matter. Where's the proof Leon could beat Subby by himself. Then you splash Scorp in there. Nothing has been proven yet. In fact, Samus helped disprove that. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
Pretty sure gordon has got this. I just can't see PW beating him at all. Does the "rivalry factor" really matter that much? --- JUMPJUMPJUMP |
From: junk_funk | #203 If you want to believe Sub-Zero or Scorpion could approach 70% on Leon Kennedy, that's your prerogative. Just don't expect many people to agree with you. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
junk_funk posted... LeonhartFour posted... But the issue here is that you're comparing 1-on-1 strength, and we've already seen that doesn't necessarily matter. Where's the proof Leon could beat Subby by himself. Then you splash Scorp in there. Nothing has been proven yet. In fact, Samus helped disprove that. http://thengamer.com/xstats/?name1=Leon Kennedy&year1=2010c&name2=Sub-Zero&year2=2010c --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
LeonhartFour posted... If you want to believe Sub-Zero or Scorpion could approach 70% on Leon Kennedy, that's your prerogative. Just don't expect many people to agree with you. No way. It'd be 50~55 range, but in who's favor is toss up. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
Yesterday's chart: Time | Tidecht | Bosses | Votes 0:05 | 41.29% | 58.71% | 511 1:00 | 40.46% | 59.54% | 5091 2:00 | 39.74% | 60.26% | 4295 3:00 | 41.46% | 58.54% | 3862 4:00 | 40.96% | 59.04% | 3726 5:00 | 41.01% | 58.99% | 3789 6:00 | 38.98% | 61.02% | 3502 7:00 | 39.10% | 60.90% | 3297 8:00 | 39.43% | 60.57% | 2960 9:00 | 41.37% | 58.63% | 2695 10:00 | 40.87% | 59.13% | 2491 11:00 | 41.06% | 58.94% | 2294 12:00 | 40.06% | 59.94% | 2007 Bosses do best in the middle of the match. Tidus/Jecht do best at the beginning and the end. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
From: junk_funk | #207 So we agree it'd be nowhere near 73% then. So what's the issue here with this contest not being as easy to analyze as comparing the two strongest characters in it? --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
From: LeonhartFour | #118 But I was talking about how they'd do in the poll. Not how much you feel they are a "true" rivalry. And there's some rivalry elements there anyway, as I went over, even if it's a "salvation" oriented rivalry. Also... FF7 SPOILERS Cloud and Zack sort of are rivals in a loose sense aren't they? Zack's ghost looms large over the Cloud/Aeris relationship, even though Cloud wants to be Zack. It's a very intriguing rivalry/hero worship dynamic. At any rate that team would rule! END FF7 SPOILERS From: Xuxon | #155 Well I'm not as confident as you, but I also called Link to get the sextupling here (although I was asleep so I neglected to raise my Oracle a couple points...) and it definitely does not mean Link is a lock to win the contest, or even that he should be a large favorite. I've been repeating it a lot too, and trying to tell people how badly Link was going to wreck this poll. Anyone who thinks this poll means "LOL Link doubters" is totally fooling themselves. But yeah - I feel like if Link is favored over Cloud/Seph, it's by very little, and I'm pretty happy to have Cloud/Seph in my bracket. If only I'd picked Ken/Ryu over Samus like my first instinct. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #210 But how good of a rivalry they are will affect how well they do. If the voters don't feel Auron/Jecht is a good rivalry, they'll suffer for it. At least that's what I think. I don't really believe just plugging together the two strongest characters from the game would necessarily equal the best possible combination. If this were just a straight up tag team tournament, then sure. But the quality of the rivalry does matter, I think, and Auron/Jecht's rivalry is a little lacking. I don't think the fans would see it as a rivalry. --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
From: ExThaNemesis | #158 No, he's just wiser than you :) From: Neosadus | #190But
if Cloud/Mario wins we know its people looking at all 4 characters and
picking the side with 2 characters favoring over the other 2. It's definitely about both. Rivalry factor absolutely matters. However, there's only so much ground it can make up for. Cloud/Mario would probably beat Link/Ganon going away. There is both a "tag team" and a "better rivalry" element to these things. In the end the tag team clearly matters much more in a relative sense, throw two random completely unrelated characters against two much weaker characters who are great rivals, the stronger characters will win. The thing is that pre-contest, most were underestimating the rivalry element heavily. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Auron/Jecht are totally a rivalry they compete with each other to be the better guardian. --- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis |
LeonhartFour posted... So what's the issue here with this contest not being as easy to analyze as comparing the two strongest characters in it? Sub and Scorp are two legit contenders even in singles. Leon and Ada had only one legit contender. Phoenix and Miles are two legit creampuffs. If I can tell anything about 2010, I'd say Phoenix would get 55% on Ratchet. That makes him a nobody. Gordon would school Ratchet. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
From: junk_funk | #214 If you consider 60/40 "schooling," then sure. Gordon/Phoenix is a 58/42 match based on last year's stats. Phoenix Wright at night is a legit low midcarder. Gordon Freeman isn't that much better. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
Leon and Ada had only one legit contender. Breen is a legit contender? --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
From: LeonhartFour | #211 I really disagree with you. And I think most people would. Auron/Jecht just makes a great team, regardless of how strong a rivalry they are (and there is some rivalry aspect there, there was a very big personality clash while they were with Braska). And I think some of the "rivalry" aspect is partially a "chemistry" aspect - Auron and Jecht, on top of being rivals, having tremendous chemistry. I just cannot see how you can think that Auron/Jecht wouldn't do much better than Tidus/Jecht. This does not compute to me. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Wow, he's still going up. Dat Nintendo Power Hour. --- "Getting lucky 100% of the time... it's called PRO SKILL." -BlAcK TuRtLe |
From: junk_funk | #214 Ada's no weaker than The Boss, and the bosses did just fine for themselves. |
From: creativename | #217 Because I don't view this the same way you do, obviously. There's some merit to the idea of team chemistry, but I do think people are taking into consideration the actual quality of the rivalry when voting, rather than the combined quality of the two characters in the match. I wouldn't predict a drastic improvement if you substitute Auron for Tidus just because Auron is notably stronger. And I really don't think most people see Auron/Jecht as a great rivalry. The worst they do in FFX even with Braska is bicker. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
creativename posted... Auron/Jecht just makes a great team, regardless of how strong a rivalry they are (and there is some rivalry aspect there, there was a very big personality clash while they were with Braska). And I think some of the "rivalry" aspect is partially a "chemistry" aspect - Auron and Jecht, on top of being rivals, having tremendous chemistry. I just cannot see how you can think that Auron/Jecht wouldn't do much better than Tidus/Jecht. This does not compute to me. As much as I agree with you about their rivalry, I think that a lot of casuals would see the pairing the same way Leon does. Which is why I think it would be weaker than Tidus/Jecht. Then again, who's to say that Auron's raw strength wouldn't kill that match, regardless? He's a near-elite, himself. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
Auron/Big
Boss would be a pretty close match, honestly, even if Auron likely
wins. Jecht probably beats The Boss, but not by a whole lot either. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
Team Rocket Elite posted... Breen is a legit contender? Breen blows. Sub and Scorp were legit. Phoenix and Miles are not. Xuxon posted... Ada's no weaker than The Boss, and the bosses did just fine for themselves. If you want me to say Sub and Scorp benefit from being a fighting game then that's what I'll say. It was also backed by being two of the better characters in the match. Sub is on par with Leon and Scorp blows away Ada. 90's nostalgia. Leon's losing strength. Whatever you want to call it. Phoenix and Miles are not Sub and Scorp. They are punching bag one and punching bag two. They have yet to prove otherwise, and in fact have failed miserably at trying. Gordon, while he did go through GFNW, now has good strength. That's all it will take. One character with solid strength. Just like Samus will take down the Southeast division based on her strength alone. Anyways, I'm out of this discussion. Bed time. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
Gordon
isn't really that strong himself. He's stronger than Phoenix than Leon
is over Sub-Zero but it's not by a huge amount. Breen is just awful even
compared to Edgeworth. On top of all this, Phoenix only needs 50%+1 to
win the match not 73.22%. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
junk_funk posted... Team Rocket Elite posted... Breen is a legit contender? Breen blows. Sub and Scorp were legit. Phoenix and Miles are not. Xuxon posted... Ada's no weaker than The Boss, and the bosses did just fine for themselves. If you want me to say Sub and Scorp benefit from being a fighting game then that's what I'll say. It was also backed by being two of the better characters in the match. Sub is on par with Leon and Scorp blows away Ada. 90's nostalgia. Leon's losing strength. Whatever you want to call it. Phoenix and Miles are not Sub and Scorp. They are punching bag one and punching bag two. They have yet to prove otherwise, and in fact have failed miserably at trying. Gordon, while he did go through GFNW, now has good strength. That's all it will take. One character with solid strength. Just like Samus will take down the Southeast division based on her strength alone. Anyways, I'm out of this discussion. Bed time. LOL I'll sig-bet you that Phoenix/Edgeworth spanks Gordon/Breen all the way home. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
From: LeonhartFour | #220 Well yeah, I've been one of the most vocal proponents of that from the start! From: LeonhartFour | #220 Again, I think there would be some mixing of "chemistry" with "rivalry" here. And it's not like Auron and Jecht have no relationship - pretty much everything Auron does is about Jecht. And it surely isn't a Link/Ganon situation where the secondary character adds almost nothing. Auron and Jecht do complement one another. I do think there is a "relationship" aspect here that would matter in these polls, in addition to the rivalry one. I'm sure there are a number of teams out there that have almost no rivalry whatsoever - yet because the two characters have great interaction, they'd benefit from the "rivalry" format because I think people would be loose with that terminology. There's probably a number of hero/heroine romantic pairs that would benefit from this, for instance, just from a few scenes of them bickering but living happily ever after in the end. From: Greyfeld | #221 There's like no way this is even possible. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #198 XFD |
From: creativename | #226 I think you're expecting people to be a little too loose with the definition of rivalry here. I don't really agree with this. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
Shoulda been Yuna/Leblanc tbqh. |
creativename posted... There's like no way this is even possible. Why not? This is a popularity contest. I'm sure there are plenty of people that think Tidus/Jecht are more of a rivalry than Auron/Jecht. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
Hmm, I don't know about a romantic pair, but I think Auron/Jecht works fine as a rivalry. Sort of like X/Zero. |
From: Xuxon | #231 Auron/Jecht for best Couple ever. Couple Quarrel? |
Damn English and its ambiguities! |
Oh dammit, this isn't going under 84%, is it. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
NOPE link has arthas by his cold, frozen balls --- ~Zen |
...For some strange reason I'm nervous about Amaterasu's match even though I don't think I should be. --- Khali Speak: http://www.rot13.com/ |
Amaterasu isn't going to lose. Lots of potential for screwing with an Oracle prediction, though. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
Yeah, Ammy wins. By how much is anyone's guess. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
So, you know how some people have talked about how the pic smiths will put Charizard/Blastoise in... Hearing how the picsmiths are barely getting in any pitches, I'm wondering how much of an influence they'll be. Quick, how do Zen and Ulti feel about pokemon >_> --- "Link has spoken for years. And music is his language" -YoBlazer |
KP
usually makes excellent Pokemon pictures, and he'll be trying some
stuff with Charizard/Blastoise for sure. So will I, as my bracket will
(hopefully) be riding on it. If I'm out by that point, though, I'd
prefer to make the best Ken/Ryu pic I can. Ulti's bracket will be toast
if/when the Trainers beat Luigi, so he'll probably be on board for
Poke-fest. Not sure if Zen is a fan, though. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Zen feels ok about Pokemon, but Zen doesn't do their pics because his good friend KP loves it much much more --- ~Zen |
Pokemon is really photogenic, so I'd image Red/Blue is getting awesome pics no matter what. The same goes true for Team Lawyer as well, which is another reason to back them against Half-Life. --- "Go get me Jared...from Subway!" -- CM Punk Future 2011 Rivalry Guru Champion! |
YOBLAZER, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A PIC DUEL You shall make a bangin' Pokemon pic, and I shall make a bangin' Street Fighter pic AND WE WILL SEE WHO IS SUPERIOR I'M CALLIN' YOU OUT YO --- ~Zen |
Greyfeld posted... LOL I'll sig-bet you that Phoenix/Edgeworth spanks Gordon/Breen all the way home. Bah sue me. Can't sleep. I'm up now and playing FFVI. VERY interested. Never had one of these before. How does it work? When Gordon whomps Phoenix I get to make a sig for you that you have to use for X amount of time right? How about we keep the sig for 60 days after the match? And no posting with alts. Then you got yourself a deal. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
I
love Pokemon but I suck at making match pics. So instead of trying to
support Red/Blue by making match pics I've been making terrible match
pics for their opponents. --- Khali Speak: http://www.rot13.com/ |
There is pretty much no way for the Trainers vs. Ryu/Ken picture to be bad on either side. Seriously, you know the Pokepic will be epic especially if it's sprites, and it's freakin' Ryu/Ken. Someone would have to intentionally sabotage those teams for either pic to look bad. I'm sure the pic will rule, and will be fitting for arguably the most hyped match of the contest behind Zelda/FF7. From: PartOfYourWorld | #234 I said this would be a sextupling and it's right around there. I wouldn't overhype Link based on this. He's still quite vulnerable from everything we've seen that actually meant something. From: Haguile | #236 I'm picking Ammy with like 70% in my oracle. I'm a bit nervous about that, that might be way off - but you sure shouldn't be! Ammy is not going to lose to Animal Crossing on this site. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
From: creativename | #246 Unfortunately, people like this exist! --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
From: Greyfeld | #230 Just take my word for it: Auron/Jecht would NOT be weaker in this format than Tidus/Jecht. No way in hell. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Is it weird that I always imagined KP as a girl? Probably because the initials "KP" conjure up old memories of Kim Possible. |
oh my god you ruined my mental image of KP and I know what he looks like (quite the handsome devil) you've destroyed me --- ~Zen |
