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#251 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/7/2011 5:26:13 PM | message detail
I wasn't even going for sabotage, but holy crap my Wolf picture is so good.
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#252 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/7/2011 5:26:17 PM | message detail
Yuna has the right idea, shoot it now.

Also Brawl Fox/Wolf, like they needed any more help.
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#253 | transience | Posted 11/7/2011 5:27:08 PM | message detail
first a fin, now Ultimecia

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#254 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 11/7/2011 5:28:59 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #245
I don't know how people grew up with a SNES and didn't at some point hear about SF2 from one of their friends.


what an understanding person
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#255 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 5:29:24 PM | message detail
#256 | ZFS | Posted 11/7/2011 5:30:17 PM | message detail
woo my Ryu/Ken pic
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#257 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2011 5:37:03 PM | message detail
Link actually seems to have something in common with Ramza here, in terms of lack of credit.

That must be why we the voters must compensate by giving him loads of credit in these contests by voting for him every year.

And it truly is tragic- that OOT ending brought tears to my eyes when I realized that Link wasn't going to get any credit.
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#258 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/7/2011 5:39:11 PM | message detail
Wouldn't he get credit in the second timeline?
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#259 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2011 5:45:06 PM | message detail
But he doesn't get credit in the timeline he has to live in.
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#260 | creativename | Posted 11/7/2011 5:49:33 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #244SF2 is absolutely not that well-played on GameFAQs. In general, yeah, but not on GameFAQs.


No idea what you would base this belief on. You are almost assuredly wrong. I would not be at all surprised if it had a comparable playrate to RBY on here - not that it's relevant at all, everyone's played Pac-Man and Tetris too.

From: KamikazePotato | #244
and that lovely poll I just posted


Dude, that was a joke option, Even *I* might have voted for that option there - it's easily the most amusing. I do hope you're just joking about this and not trying to act like this has meaning ^_^

From: charmander6000 | #258
Wouldn't he get credit in the second timeline?


Only Zelda would be aware. And Ganon but he's banished to another dimension or something.

Come to think of it - would Zelda be aware? I always got the impression she was but I'm not sure how she'd know.
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#261 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 6:04:26 PM | message detail
Being the chosen heir to the Triforce of Widsom could be enough. The last scene of the ending suggests that she remembers Link.
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#262 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/7/2011 6:20:10 PM | message detail
There is no way that SF2's playrate compares to RBY on this site.

Probably not for humans in general either.
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#263 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/7/2011 6:26:41 PM | message detail
I'd have to agree that RBY has a higher playrate than SFII, but we're working with such high numbers where being slightly lower may not matter too much.
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#264 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/7/2011 6:28:25 PM | message detail
SF2 probably has a higher playrate, just not on this site.
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#265 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 6:29:00 PM | message detail
Even if SF2 doesn't have the playrate of R/B/Y, it certainly has the "general awareness" rate comparable with even the best games. Nearly everyone who calls himself a gamer knows who Ryu is. You're not going to see very many topics tomorrow asking who the heck Ryu and Ken are and why are they winning.
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#266 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 6:29:23 PM | message detail
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
There is no way that SF2's playrate compares to RBY on this site.

Probably not for humans in general either.


I'd say that SF2 is more played among the normal populace than RBY... just because who hasn't played it in the arcades in the 90s? RBY has what, 25-30 million? I'm sure the numbers are higher than that for people who played both console and arcade versions... console versions themselves sold 15 mil.
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#267 | Colegreen_c12 | Posted 11/7/2011 6:29:23 PM | message detail

From: GranzonEx | #264
SF2 probably has a higher playrate, just not on this site.


I highly doubt it.
#268 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/7/2011 6:33:40 PM | message detail

From: GranzonEx | #264
SF2 probably has a higher playrate, just not on this site.


absolutely no chance
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#269 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/7/2011 6:34:32 PM | message detail

From: FateStayAlbion | #266
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
There is no way that SF2's playrate compares to RBY on this site.

Probably not for humans in general either.


I'd say that SF2 is more played among the normal populace than RBY... just because who hasn't played it in the arcades in the 90s? RBY has what, 25-30 million? I'm sure the numbers are higher than that for people who played both console and arcade versions... console versions themselves sold 15 mil.


Who didn't play RBY who grew up in the 90s?
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#270 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 6:35:55 PM | message detail | (edited)
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Who didn't play RBY who grew up in the 90s?

Like 3/4th of the people who had a Gameboy.
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#271 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/7/2011 6:35:43 PM | message detail
I'm just going by the RPG rule. People on this site are more likely to have played an RPG than a fighting game.
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#272 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/7/2011 6:37:56 PM | message detail
GranzonEx posted...
I'm just going by the RPG rule. People on this site are more likely to have played an RPG than a fighting game.

Maybe we should wait until we actually see how Ryu/Ken perform before making any snap decisions.

Wait, what am I talking about, this is the stats topic.
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#273 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 6:41:05 PM | message detail
I don't think it really matters which game has the higher playrate. They're both plenty high enough and have enough general awareness to go far in this contest and beat the other.
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#274 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/7/2011 6:42:40 PM | message detail
It doesn't matter how they perform because all they will be doing is stomping fodder. I'll wake up to them going 90/10 tomorrow morning and not going to care one bit. They have an easy path to the division finals too.
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#275 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 6:43:51 PM | message detail
#276 | GranzonEx | Posted 11/7/2011 6:45:00 PM | message detail
I'll care enough to switch my battle picks!
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#277 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 6:46:36 PM | message detail
The board's resident (and perhaps only) Ratchet fanboy is going for Ryu/Ken here. I know Ratchet looked good last year, but beating up a character no one knows is a lot different than tonight. This could easily be the second biggest blowout so far. Hell, I could see it challenging Mario's percentage.
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#278 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 6:50:19 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #277
The board's resident (and perhaps only) Ratchet fanboy is going for Ryu/Ken here.


Hey hey hey

KoolAid and Wigs are R&C fanboys, too, and Ulti's slowly getting there!

As will ALL of you one day!
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#279 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/7/2011 6:50:21 PM | message detail
Match XI: (3) Ryu/Ken vs. (6) Ratchet/Dr. Nefarious

Previous Contest

Ryu – 2010
68.97% against Balthier Bunansa
50.35% against Dante
56.88% against Leon Kennedy
34.02% against Cloud Strife

Ken – 2010
50.32% against Albert Wesker
36.17% against Ganondorf

Ratchet – 2010
68.39% against Eddie Riggs
43.84% against Jecht

Dr. Nefarious – N/A
N/A

Analysis

There was never any debate about who would win the match and after the last few matches this has turned into how badly are Ryu and Ken going to win. As the matches push our expectations higher and higher we are eventually going to call a performance terrible even if it wasn’t due to our overestimation. I feel a lot of people are going to feel this way as some predictions for this match are soaring past 80%.

Ever since Ratchet joined the contest he’s been constantly one of the weakest returning characters, however last year it seems he took a step up in strength. Not only did he win his first match, but he was able to put impressive numbers on Jecht thus making him high fodder. Of course even with the boost in strength I doubt anyone would consider taking him over Ken while Dr. Nefarious is even weaker and he certainly adds nowhere near the amount of rivalry power as Ken does to Ryu.

Like I said with Sub-Zero and Scorpion due to their rivalries I expect Ryu and Ken to be one of the strongest pairs in the contest without an elite character. Ryu may be strong, but I don’t think anyone considers him an elite character. The Ryu and Ken debate has spread to two sides; one side is debating them between the trainers while the other side is debating them against Samus. Their performance here will likely dictate which side gets more supporters, but like I said people’s expectations for characters to blow other characters seem too high.

Honestly I wouldn’t start worrying unless Ryu and Ken fail to break 70% here. Also expecting them to break 80% with ease is a bit ridiculous, especially considering Ratchet isn’t as weak as he used to be when he first entered contests. A tripling is likely and it would cause a stalemate between the people that feel Ryu and Ken should be worried about the trainers and the ones that feel Samus should be worried about Ryu and Ken.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Ryu/Ken > Ratchet/Dr. Nefarious

charmander6000’s Prediction: Ryu/Ken wins, 74.78% - 25.22%
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#280 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 6:53:04 PM | message detail
I played the original three years ago. Real fun game, but I don't know if I'd call myself a fanboy.

And I forgot about Wigs, can't believe it. I almost feel like I should apologize.
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#281 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 7:00:42 PM | message detail
Well, of course you wouldn't call yourself a fanboy! The original is the worst game in the main series (the main series not including Deadlocked)!
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#282 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 7:10:11 PM | message detail
lmao whoa, that might be one of the most confusing sentences I've ever written. Thanks for pointing it out; I'd have never noticed otherwise.

I played the original three (as in, the first three games) years ago.
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#283 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 7:13:34 PM | message detail
Then you need to get yourself a PS3 and play the rest!
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#284 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/7/2011 7:17:31 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #273
I don't think it really matters which game has the higher playrate. They're both plenty high enough and have enough general awareness to go far in this contest and beat the other.


I'm not saying that playrate matters.

Just that I'd put RBY above SFII.
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#285 | ZFS | Posted 11/7/2011 7:21:30 PM | message detail
RBY definitely has a higher playrate than SF2, here or elsewhere.
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#286 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2011 7:25:04 PM | message detail
And I'd put R/B/Y over Mega Man X, and we saw what happened when Red got fed to X
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#287 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2011 8:03:26 PM | message detail
I have Red/Blue to the semifinals, but Ryu/Ken is definitely their hardest match to get there. It's probably about 50/50 to me. Rivalry factor helps both teams, and Red/Blue needs it to help them a bit more to overcome Ryu's natural strength advantage.
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#288 | shinigami820 | Posted 11/7/2011 8:15:28 PM | message detail
I got a question regarding the 13th round: Who is The Kid and The Guy, and what game are they from?
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#289 | creativename | Posted 11/7/2011 8:17:34 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #277
The board's resident (and perhaps only) Ratchet fanboy is going for Ryu/Ken here. I know Ratchet looked good last year, but beating up a character no one knows is a lot different than tonight. This could easily be the second biggest blowout so far. Hell, I could see it challenging Mario's percentage.


Thinking it could challenge 85% is going overboard IMO. Ryu/Ken are clearly not Mario/Bowser level, and Ratchet's team is probably significantly stronger than EW's team.

I'd consider anywhere from 71%-78% probably a "meh" performance that doesn't change my mind on anything. And even if they go higher than that, I'd probably attribute it more to Ratchet's team sucking ass than increasing my expectations for Ken/Ryu.

From: ZFS | #285
RBY definitely has a higher playrate than SF2, here or elsewhere.


Well if you include anyone who has ever played SF2 in the arcade, then I think the SF2 playrate probably blows the RBY playrate out of the water. That's like a gazillion squared people.

Though of course once again, it has no relevance at all to this contest. I believe SF2 probably is in the neighborhood of RBY on this site when it comes to pure playrate - but when it comes to hours played it will be nowhere in the ballpark. People will have invested much more time in RBY.
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#290 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2011 8:19:20 PM | message detail
Man, was just looking through guru picks, how is Phoenix/Edgeworth and Alucard/Dracula such overwhelming favourites?
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#291 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2011 8:20:59 PM | message detail
I've probably spent way more time with the various SF2 games, and I'm not a fighting game fan by any stretch. I beat Blue, messed around with the Missingno trick, and tried Diamond for 10 minutes before getting bored.
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#292 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 8:21:47 PM | message detail

From: shinigami820 | #288
I got a question regarding the 13th round: Who is The Kid and The Guy, and what game are they from?


I Wanna Be the Guy
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#293 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/7/2011 8:22:05 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #290
Man, was just looking through guru picks, how is Phoenix/Edgeworth and Alucard/Dracula such overwhelming favourites?


Because they're going to win.
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#294 | shinigami820 | Posted 11/7/2011 8:27:13 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #292
I Wanna Be the Guy


I would have never guessed. Those names alone don't seem very memorable, at least to me. Google was no help at all. >_>
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#295 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/7/2011 8:31:39 PM | message detail
Man, was just looking through guru picks, how is Phoenix/Edgeworth and Alucard/Dracula such overwhelming favourites?

55.41% support for Phoenix/Edgeworth over Freeman/Breen isn't exactly overwhelming. It's probably low since it looks like Phoenix is going to beat on Freeman pretty badly.
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#296 | junk_funk | Posted 11/7/2011 8:31:59 PM | message detail
Just like the DK match, I'm guessing around 70% got this pick right.
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#297 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 8:37:37 PM | message detail
Too bad this wasn't a night match... since 11 PM, Luigi has gained a total of 1 vote over Cecil. Doubt Cecil woulda won, but it would have been significantly closer.
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#298 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/7/2011 8:44:50 PM | message detail | (edited)
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
And I'd put R/B/Y over Mega Man X, and we saw what happened when Red got fed to X

That match might as well of been X vs. Pokemon Trainer from Brawl who doesn't even fight and stands in the background.
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#299 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/7/2011 8:46:51 PM | message detail
Sprite Red would have lost as well.
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#300 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 8:53:18 PM | message detail
The Street Fighters are set to put on a beating for a REAL fighter, Smokin' Joe Frazier.
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