GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1013
Can't wait for the inevitable RYU/KEN LOST?!?!?!? --- caps |
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and
I suspect no amount of arguing will sway you from believing, and
wanting to believe, that Red/Blue are gonna go into that match with an
advantage and pull off a win. Now, I think Ryu/Ken is the favorite at this point, --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
My heart aches for the Fighters. My bracket aches for the Trainers. My body... is ready. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Wait are we not expecting Ryu/Ken to at least get 80% on freaking Ratchet? --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. Black Turtle > Me |
yeah,
Ryu/Ken have a classic element that the Bosses lack. on the flipside,
though, I wonder if there's a ceiling for the fighting game guys. if Ryu
was as classic as some are suggesting, he'd be noble nine. --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
Would someone who is good with X-Stats be able to tell me what Ryu would be expected to get on Ratchet 1v1? --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
RBY vs SF2, who you got? --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
But yeah it just boggles my mind that you wouldn't
look at their respective match results and try to draw inferences from
it. Ryu gets 85% on Ratchet? Ryu wins. Ryu gets 65% on Ratchet? Ryu
wins. Ryu probably crushes tonight and renders this entire discussion
meaningless, but why even argue if you don't really have anything to
contribute? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Zylo the wolf posted... Wait are we not expecting Ryu/Ken to at least get 80% on freaking Ratchet? This. I'm thinking they're going to blow them out of the water way more than the trainers did in their match. --- "I am riding the Poke-wave, using the metaphorical Surf and hopping on my Blastoise, all the way to Mario vs Bowser." - RPGLord |
I
think it's the rivalry aspect that elevates Ryu/Ken to the top tier in
this contest. Ryu's not Noble Nine, but he's definitely one of the
strongest characters in a regular contest. He did 35% on Cloud? That's
pretty good. The thing about the Ryu/Ken rivalry vs. the Bosses rivalry
is that the former is more well-known, more respected, and generally
more recognized than the other. Having that history probably helps
versus a relatively recent rivalry, especially one only in one game.
Tough to say without seeing Samus and Big Boss in action, though. --- peace comes from within |
transcience posted... yeah, Ryu/Ken have a classic element that the Bosses lack. on the flipside, though, I wonder if there's a ceiling for the fighting game guys. if Ryu was as classic as some are suggesting, he'd be noble nine. The fact that Scorp/Sub did so well makes me think that Ryu/Ken can be one of the strongest in the field. Theres no question that Ryu/Ken is a bigger and more well known rivalry than the MK Ninjas, so if their strength is legit, I don't see why Ryu/Ken can't challenge for the tier after Link/Cloud/Mario. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
From: jacko_vdz | #206 Well, the good ol' GameFAQs Contest Simulator says Ryu gets a 65-35 win against Ratchet. That said, Ken is a thousand times stronger than Nefarious, and Ryu/Ken have one of the best rivalry factors in the contest, so I imagine it will be AT LEAST a 70-30 win here. And that's if you're being super conservative. --- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) http://www.sporcle.com/games/Kazbar/gfaqscontest |
I
wasn't even arguing. I was just agreeing with creative and stating
where I stand. I absolutely did not say that Ryu wins if he gets 65% on
Ratchet, I implied the total opposite of that. --- peace comes from within |
The
fact that Scorp/Sub did so well makes me think that Ryu/Ken can be one
of the strongest in the field. Theres no question that Ryu/Ken is a
bigger and more well known rivalry than the MK Ninjas, so if their
strength is legit, I don't see why Ryu/Ken can't challenge for the tier
after Link/Cloud/Mario. I don't know about that. I think that for people who didn't specifically grow up with fighting games the MK duo is more well known. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/2bigwigpngut.png |
From: KamikazePotato | #197 Not sure if you're talking to me or HM, but this post is fraught with silliness. Fanboyism has naught to do with it - you'd have to be pretty ignorant to not realize the cachet that Ken/Ryu has amongst gamers. That's been one of the most famous gaming rivalries for like two decades. From: KamikazePotato | #197 Judging from match results where we don't even have a good idea how strong the losing team is, in a format we've never seen before, is exactly why people on here are prone to dumb overreactions on a daily basis. How Ken/Ryu do on fodder will not in the end matter much, unless they underperform miserably. From: KamikazePotato | #197There have been plenty of arguments about why Ryu/Ken might not be as strong as expected Wait. Like what? Only thing I can think of is this site doesn't like fighting games, but Subby/Scorp got rid of that quite emphatically. Fighting game rivals should logically be the strongest rivals since they actually fight. And Ken/Ryu should logically be stronger than Subby/Scorp - it would be pretty stunning if Subby/Scorp ended up stronger. Also a bit noteworthy that according to vote-ins Subby/Scorp would get 78.49% on Kerrigan/Raynor (giving Subby/Scorp 53.4% on the Trainers). Of course vote-ins are quite unreliable and I wouldn't put much faith in that at all, but it shows how weak the Starcraft team is. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
*shrug* That's what your posts looked like to me. If I'm wrong, whatever. Guessing Ryu gets around 81% tonight. The more I think about it, the more I can't imagine Ratchet's rivalry being worth anything. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: transience | #194Samus's rivalry being questionable (though better than the Mario or the Link one) I think Mario/Bowser and Link/Ganon will be a lot more respected as rivalries than Samus/Ridley. I believe they will be considered classic rivalries, and I don't think Samus vs. Ridley has anything like that sort of reputation. I suspect Samus vs. Ridley is going to be noticeably weaker than Samus herself. From: KamikazePotato | #208 Well if that happens then the SF boys are in deep trouble. From: KamikazePotato | #208but why even argue if you don't really have anything to contribute? The contribution is, "Don't overreact when we don't know the strength of the losers, or even the dynamics of the new format". And that's probably the best contribution you can possibly make here. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Bigwig_rah posted... The fact that Scorp/Sub did so well makes me think that Ryu/Ken can be one of the strongest in the field. Theres no question that Ryu/Ken is a bigger and more well known rivalry than the MK Ninjas, so if their strength is legit, I don't see why Ryu/Ken can't challenge for the tier after Link/Cloud/Mario. I don't know about that. I think that for people who didn't specifically grow up with fighting games the MK duo is more well known. yeah, I talked about this yesterday. I think Sub and Scorp have the same pull as Ryu/Ken for most anyone under 25 (most of the site at this point) and the rivalry is a bit better than just 'we've been around a long time and we like to fight'. Ryu and Ken probably win but it's not like they're miles apart like some people are projecting. Ryu and Ken are getting a little overrated, honestly, and I support them as much as anyone. --- xyzzy |
I think Mario/Bowser and Link/Ganon will be a lot more respected as rivalries than Samus/Ridley. I believe they will be considered classic rivalries, and I don't think Samus vs. Ridley has anything like that sort of reputation. oh I agree with you. what I'm saying is that Samus vs. Ridley has a much better pure 'rivalry' than Link or Mario. Link and Mario are just more classic. in the end, being 'classic' means a lot more than the quality of the rivalry. see Ryu/Ken vs. the Bosses, for example. --- xyzzy |
I
don't think Sub-Zero and Scorpion have any extra pull from their
rivalry than Ryu and Ken. You don't have to be a fighting game person to
know Ryu/Ken and vote for them. People do it for Ryu alone all the
time. I would say there's probably a good deal of separation between the
two, just like there is between Ryu and every other fighting game
character. --- peace comes from within |
I
could see Ryu/Ken underwhelming and in general the rival thing being
overblown. Have a feeling that the Sub/Leon match might just go down as
an unexplainable bizarre match that isn't representing a pattern. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
Saying
that Ryu/Ken will be one of the strongest in the contest based on
pre-contest arguments is fine. No one decries anyone for automatically
assuming that Mario/Bowser would be very strong. It was the admittance
that you wouldn't be taking any their contest results since then into
account and would be assuming that Ryu/Ken would win no matter how well
either entrant did. If I misinterpreted that, I apologize, but honestly I
don't think I did. As for arguments against them: I don't think Ryu/Ken is going to get as big as a boost as, say, Sub-Zero did relative to his rivalry. Ryu is already the face of fighting game. He epitomizes everything about them. It's hard for me to see him getting much stronger, especially when GameFAQs doesn't care about fighting games very much, regardless of how well their characters end up doing. I think that might hurt them when they run into real competition, where people have played the game the rivalry comes from and has memories of them. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
thought about that, but I think today with Cecil/Golbez putting up a
great showing against Luigi/Waluigi supports the idea that rivalries are
important. It's something to keep an eye on, at least. --- peace comes from within |
From: transience | #218Ryu and Ken probably win but it's not like they're miles apart like some people are projecting. I'd expect Ken/Ryu to get between 52%-55% on Subby/Scorp. Would probably predict like 53% - unless there was some weird fighter rivalry SFF anyway. Not sure who is saying they'd be miles apart, but I think it's clear that Ryu/Ken should be the very large favorites, although they are on the same "tier" roughly. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
As
someone not really into MK or SF, I'd vote for the Subby rivalry much
more quickly. It's always seemed like a much better rivalry to me -
better backstory, and they're more antagonistic. It just feels like
there's more emotion in it. Ryu/Ken has always just seemed 'there' to
me. Even after playing SFIV, I have no reason to care about it. They're
just two friends who like to fight. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Ryu/Ken getting 53% on Subby seems about right. I do think Mortal Kombat boosted Sub/Scorp though. They probably didn't need as much of a rivalry boost as we thought to get to where they are now. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
have no idea what this backstory stuff is with Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
One is ice, one has fire! If the idea is that people aren't into
fighting games, they certainly aren't going to know details about
backstories -- and for the most part, they're unnecessary, as it has
always been with these contests. --- peace comes from within |
Ryu wears white, Ken wears red! I can do that too. --- xyzzy |
I'm
just saying. Today proves that your rivalry being well-known doesn't
mean much if people don't care about it. People obviously care about
Ryu/Ken, but it's all about degrees. People who never got into fighting
games might vote for Ryu/Ken over stuff they don't know, but what
happens when they reach Red/Blue? Samus/Ridley? People know those guys.
Their games have a higher playrate (at least RBY does) and are much more
beloved on GameFAQs. Essentially I'm just saying that a decent chunk of Ryu/Ken's voterbase is coming from people who aren't intimately familiar with them. That's dangerous. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
No, I agree. I don't expect people to know Ryu/Ken backstory either. --- peace comes from within |
People
who never got into fighting games might vote for Ryu/Ken over stuff
they don't know, but what happens when they reach Red/Blue?
Samus/Ridley? People know those guys. Ryu has looked fine going up against stronger guys in the past. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 8/8 Today: Red/Bluel & Luigi/Waluigi |
I
don't understand the hype for Boss/Big Boss. Big Boss is reasonably
strong, but he gets that strength based mainly on his resemblance to
Solid. That combo will be strong, but not strong enough for Smaus --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? |
People
know Ryu/Ken as much as anyone else in this contest. Everyone knows
what a hadoken and a shoryuken are, even if they don't play fighting
games. There's a point about playrates and all that, but it hasn't
stopped Ryu from beating up on characters in the past, or doing well on
super strong characters like Cloud. --- peace comes from within |
Everyone knows what a hadoken and a shoryuken are, http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3215 ! but it hasn't stopped Ryu from beating up on characters in the past Not to the degree that other 'icons' do. Ryu has had some pretty bad results in the past. or doing well on super strong characters like Cloud. I wouldn't call that match doing well at all. Remember that Cloud almost got beat twice that year, and was did very poorly against guys like Ridley and Captain Falcon. It wasn't a terrible result, but I definitely figured that he was going to do better. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
What kind of kids are frequently this website. --- peace comes from within |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3215 WHAT. THE. ****. --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
'was did' I am an excellent poster --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
don't think backstory matters too much for the fighters beyond the most
shallow, superficial elements. Which both Ken/Ryu (friendly rivals but
opposite personalities) and Subby/Scorp (...OMG NINJAS...!!!) have. The "OMG NINJAS" factor definitely matters more for Subby/Scorp than any sort of deep backstory they may have, which almost nobody is going to be familiar with anyway. From: KamikazePotato | #222It was the admittance that you wouldn't be taking any their contest results since then into account and would be assuming that Ryu/Ken would win no matter how well either entrant did. If I misinterpreted that, I apologize, but honestly I don't think I did. But...the results so far only increase confidence in Ryu/Ken...? Both against the Trainers and against Samus. We saw how Subby/Scorpy did. We saw how MMX/Zero did. We saw how awful, in retrospect, Crono/Lavos did in its vote-in. We have seen - repeatedly - that rivalries not only matter, but can matter to a staggering extent. And we did see how the Trainers couldn't pull off against Starcraft what the ninjas would be calculated to do. Now that means very little since vote-ins are horribly unreliable - but it's more than nothing, and can hardly be used to doubt Ken/Ryu. So whatever has happened since the contest started, can only increase confidence in Ryu/Ken. And decrease confidence in Samus/Ridley. I wouldn't be shocked if both the Trainers and Ryu/Ken ended up stronger than Samus/Ridley in the end. Now I wouldn't be shocked if Samus beat them either. But I see Ryu/Ken vs. Samus/Ridley as being very tough to call, while I have confidence in Ryu/Ken vs. the Trainers. Because there's nothing so far - not even the Trainers vs. Starcraft result - which isn't even more favorable for Ryu/Ken than the Trainers. Not to say that Trainers vs. Ryu/Ken is a lock (it isn't). But I see some people saying Trainers should be favored or that it's a toss-up and I simply don't see it. From: KamikazePotato | #230Their games have a higher playrate (at least RBY does) and are much more beloved on GameFAQs. Wait, what? SF2 probably has amongst the highest playrates of any game, people just don't like fighting games here. But the large majority of voters will have played as Ryu or Ken at some point in their lives, and clearly they like the characters. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3215 I really hope this is just a lot of joke voting, because I seriously don't believe almost 40% of the site doesn't know what a Shoryuken is. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
wash that poll away with this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIziXcIVmN4 --- peace comes from within |
I
wouldn't call that match doing well at all. Remember that Cloud almost
got beat twice that year, and was did very poorly against guys like
Ridley and Captain Falcon. It wasn't a terrible result, but I definitely
figured that he was going to do better. It is compare to the results he got against other characters, remember your arguement is that Ryu folds against well known characters (which besides Bowser 2k5 is not true), not that he has a certain strength. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 8/8 Today: Red/Bluel & Luigi/Waluigi |
May not recognise the spelling and only know the pronunciation *awaits ARRUUUKEN? jokes* --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
SF2 is absolutely not that
well-played on GameFAQs. In general, yeah, but not on GameFAQs. Ryu not
being as strong as other icons, fighting games tanking in every game
contest, and that lovely poll I just posted all point towards that. High
playrate, yes. It's not gonna be close to RBY. (plus, even if it is, 'has played and doesn't like' really isn't any better than 'hasn't played') Also I already agreed that Ryu/Ken is the favorite. Like, a bunch of times. But there's arguments to be made (which you're doing now! all I asked for). --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
can understand SF2 not being among the most popular games on this site,
but the idea that people haven't played the game is crazy to me. I
don't know how people grew up with a SNES and didn't at some point hear
about SF2 from one of their friends. That was the multiplayer game of
the ever back then. In any case, I don't think it's too important in any case. I don't like the playrate argument in general, because we've seen a bunch of instances where it didn't help, even when it came to Pokemon. The key for this contest is the quality of the rivalry, how it's viewed, and how well-known it is. If you've got history behind you, and the rivalry is considered pretty good, you'll probably do well. We're seeing pretty consistently at this point. --- peace comes from within |
From: KamikazePotato | #244 I do notice fighting game fans tend to love pretending that gamefaqs is a hive of hatred and loathing for beat em ups when to me they seem quite favourable towards them. Ryu, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat are pretty darn big on this site. Even lesser stuff like Soul Calibur are highly relevant (remember the dreamcast version almost beating Kingdom Hearts at its peak?). --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
That's
because GameFAQs does sort of come off about not caring about anything
outside SF and MK. That and fighting game fans feel that their genre
must trump others. Heck even MvC2 had a decent performance against MGS3. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rivalry Rumble: 8/8 Today: Red/Bluel & Luigi/Waluigi |
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