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#101 | KingBartz | Posted 11/7/2011 9:26:38 AM | message detail

From: RottingToe | #097
So if Ryu/Ken manage to pull 75% against Ratchet/Nefarious, how much of a chance do you think they stand against the trainers?


If they got that much on rachet I would give them the advantage. Kerrigan is turbofodder.
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#102 | pjbasis | Posted 11/7/2011 9:26:51 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #098
I picked this to beat the trainers.

LOL ME


Really beating yourself up over that, aren't you?
#103 | RottingToe | Posted 11/7/2011 9:28:13 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #098
I picked this to beat the trainers.

LOL ME


LOL
I have them losing to Samus/Ridley, which I'm even now starting to doubt...

Go Weegee, let's get to 60%!
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#104 | swirIdude | Posted 11/7/2011 9:29:43 AM | message detail
So when I pay too much attention to my bracket, I lose. This time, I tried the opposite, and I'm still going to lose.

I see that there is no winning strategy.

And now for something completely different.

Crash/Cortex vs Pac-Man/Blinky, who ya got?
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#105 | KingBartz | Posted 11/7/2011 9:30:44 AM | message detail
uh whats happening
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#106 | pjbasis | Posted 11/7/2011 9:31:10 AM | message detail
Go Weegee, let's keep it around 56%!

Unless you're gonna lose, that'd be okay too!
#107 | Gooper Blooper | Posted 11/7/2011 9:31:16 AM | message detail
I took Pac-Man and Blinky without a second thought.
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#108 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/7/2011 9:31:26 AM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
So when I pay too much attention to my bracket, I lose. This time, I tried the opposite, and I'm still going to lose.

I see that there is no winning strategy.

And now for something completely different.

Crash/Cortex vs Pac-Man/Blinky, who ya got?


pac-man
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#109 | RottingToe | Posted 11/7/2011 9:31:41 AM | message detail

From: Gooper Blooper | #107
I took Pac-Man and Blinky without a second thought.


this
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#110 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/7/2011 9:32:19 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Go Weegee, let's keep it around 56%!

Unless you're gonna lose, that'd be okay too!


I'm hoping the ASV puts them over 60%, so I don't get screwed on my spread bet.
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#111 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/7/2011 9:32:34 AM | message detail
Man, if only Cecil had popped up with this strength about 20 minutes ago.
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#112 | junk_funk | Posted 11/7/2011 9:34:22 AM | message detail | (edited)
I'm not so sure this match is over. 390 votes and Luigi only gained by 20.
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#113 | ZFS | Posted 11/7/2011 9:33:57 AM | message detail
Went with Crash.
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#114 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 11/7/2011 9:34:49 AM | message detail

From: junk_funk | #112
I'm not so sure this match is over. 390 votes and Luigi only gained by 20.


It is over
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#115 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/7/2011 9:35:48 AM | message detail
#116 | RottingToe | Posted 11/7/2011 9:37:16 AM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #115
This totally means Cecil is going to win the ASV.


You're joking, right?
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#117 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/7/2011 9:38:14 AM | message detail
No, I'm clearly being serious about Final Fantasy winning the ASV against Nintendo.
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#118 | RottingToe | Posted 11/7/2011 9:40:38 AM | message detail
Sorry, sarcasm gets muddled on the interwebz.

Now, how much do you think this Nintendo power favors Fox/Wolf?

(lol c wut i did thar?)
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#119 | Haste_2 | Posted 11/7/2011 9:45:04 AM | message detail
Poll isn't quite over yet, but....

Q1: If this were Cecil vs. Kain, would they be beating Luigi/Waluigi right now? Methinks they would be winning narrowly.

Q2: If this were a night match and the FF4 characters used sprites, would they win? Mmm....not quite, but it'd be a lot closer, I say!

Q3: Both Q1 and Q2 combined? I think most definitely Team FF4 would have won!
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#120 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 11/7/2011 9:50:49 AM | message detail
We underestimated Golbez, I think. I doubt anyone that got into the first Dissidia is worse than decent fodder, and Golbez actually has an acceptable-strength game to back it up.
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#121 | RottingToe | Posted 11/7/2011 9:54:51 AM | message detail
This is the Luigi who beat Cube, Bowser, Pikachu, Kirby, and pulled 45% on Yoshi. Luigi is a high tier Nintendo character. Wawaweegee doesn't bring him down that much.

Cecil's never won a thing, and Kain is fodder.
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#122 | pjbasis | Posted 11/7/2011 9:56:15 AM | message detail
If Kain was in this, they might be winning.
#123 | shinigami820 | Posted 11/7/2011 9:59:16 AM | message detail
I have no doubts about Ryu/Ken winning the next round, but Fox/Wolf vs. Yuna/Seymour has me a bit worried...
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#124 | RottingToe | Posted 11/7/2011 10:00:33 AM | message detail

From: shinigami820 | #123
I have no doubts about Ryu/Ken winning the next round, but Fox/Wolf vs. Yuna/Seymour has me a bit worried...


Fox/Wolf no doubt.
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#125 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 10:01:34 AM | message detail

From: RottingToe | #121
Wawaweegee doesn't bring him down that much.


That's where I disagree. I thought Luigi/Waluigi were gonna go big (upped my Oracle to 62% at the end). I thought the day match, picture advantage, and these guys being pushed as HEY GUYZ, IT'S TOTALLY A RIVALRY by Nintendo would be enough. Turns out it isn't. This is another warning shot for Link. Can't wait to see how he responds.
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#126 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/7/2011 10:02:26 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #125
This is another warning shot for Link.


Oh would you all just stop this.
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#127 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/7/2011 10:05:06 AM | message detail
What is the stats topic for if not for crazy overreactions every time a match starts? >.>
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#128 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/7/2011 10:07:37 AM | message detail
*looks at poll for the first time*

...Ahahahahahaha, my bracket is so completely f***ed.
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#129 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 10:09:45 AM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #126
Oh would you all just stop this.


I'm still calling him a big favorite. He's just not the guarantee he usually is.
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#130 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 10:09:57 AM | message detail
Is this match THAT weird? I'm not sure I'd take Luigi to go much over 60% in a 1v1 against Cecil, and Golbez brings a lot more to the table than Waluigi does. Luigi is actually doing better than my expectations... I expected a 51-53% kinda win for him here.
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#131 | catastrophy15 | Posted 11/7/2011 10:13:05 AM | message detail
Fox and wolf will beat yuna and seymour easily.
#132 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 11/7/2011 10:13:54 AM | message detail
X-stats say that Luigi would win with 61.3% in a 1vs1 against Cecil so yeah, it is a tad weird compared to the expected.
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#133 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 10:16:18 AM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
X-stats say that Luigi would win with 61.3% in a 1vs1 against Cecil so yeah, it is a tad weird compared to the expected.

But after what we've been seeing recently, we should throw that kinda stuff out the window and look at the rivalries... Luigi/Waluigi is a joke rivalry, while Cecil/Golbez is a good rivalry. Theres no way it was ever going to be 62%+ like I saw some people going for. That would suggest that Waluigi makes Luigi stronger.
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#134 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/7/2011 10:17:04 AM | message detail
Cecil probably gets a cut or two in during this match, I would think.
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#135 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 10:26:26 AM | message detail
Has anyone asked SBAllen about the Battle Stats? He really should get those fixed up before Phoenix/Gordon.
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#136 | The Mana Sword | Posted 11/7/2011 10:27:30 AM | message detail
Battle stats were broken throughout most of the last contest, I don't suspect that'll change this time!
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#137 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/7/2011 10:27:59 AM | message detail
Cecil/Golbez isn't even a proper rivalry. I'll be honest I think it isn't so much rivalry factor they're getting as anti-rivalry factor... against Luigi/Waluigi. That's why I voted for them, at least.

Now, Cecil/Kain, there was a rivalry.
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#138 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/7/2011 10:30:01 AM | message detail
Why would this match signal problems for Link, geez. DA NATIVES ARE RESTLESS.

This match is just lol Waluigi. He's dopey antagonism, not a decent rival or boss / villain. Mario / Bowser takes a hit if you swap in Wario, either due to the raw strength loss or the poor rivalry.

Mario / Bowser is the most comparable benchmark here, and it suggests Link / Ganon will open a can.
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#139 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 10:32:47 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Cecil/Golbez isn't even a proper rivalry. I'll be honest I think it isn't so much rivalry factor they're getting as anti-rivalry factor... against Luigi/Waluigi. That's why I voted for them, at least.

Now, Cecil/Kain, there was a rivalry.


-FF4 Spoilers-



Two brothers fighting for opposite goals isn't a rivalry? I agree that Kain would be better if only because he is a stronger character, but Golbez is still a great rival for Cecil. And the fact they put aside their differences and fight together at the end makes it an even better rivalry, since its not just the normal "Hero/Villain" thing.



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#140 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/7/2011 10:35:16 AM | message detail
As far as iconic rivalries go, Mario/Bowser is much better than Link/Ganon.

The thing is, unlike Bowser, Ganondorf doesn't actually appear in that many games. Yeah he's popular, but he doesn't really have the same type of rivalry with Link that Bowser does with Mario. Let's not forget the Mario spinoffs, either, the RPGs at least certainly help the relationship between Bowser and Mario.

I mean, Link/Ganondorf will still be beastly because, you know, Zelda, but not what we're used to from Link, I believe.
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#141 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/7/2011 10:39:47 AM | message detail
I mean, Link/Ganondorf will still be beastly because, you know, Zelda, but not what we're used to from Link, I believe.

This is definitely possible, and personally I would vote Mario / Bowser over Link / Ganon here because it is a more iconic rivalry ... but to say we already have evidence that Link will underperform. I'll believe that when and if he goes out and drops the ball by only tripling Arthas, not before.
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#142 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 10:45:52 AM | message detail | (edited)
IngmarBirdman posted...
I mean, Link/Ganondorf will still be beastly because, you know, Zelda, but not what we're used to from Link, I believe.

This is definitely possible, and personally I would vote Mario / Bowser over Link / Ganon here because it is a more iconic rivalry ... but to say we already have evidence that Link will underperform. I'll believe that when and if he goes out and drops the ball by only tripling Arthas, not before.


"Only" tripling Arthas wouldn't be horrible. He got like 79% on Thrall last contest, and Arthas is stronger than Thrall. Hell, I'd take Illidan to be stronger than Thrall too based on just character design.
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#143 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/7/2011 10:42:44 AM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
Cecil/Golbez isn't even a proper rivalry. I'll be honest I think it isn't so much rivalry factor they're getting as anti-rivalry factor... against Luigi/Waluigi. That's why I voted for them, at least.

Now, Cecil/Kain, there was a rivalry.

-FF4 Spoilers-



Two brothers fighting for opposite goals isn't a rivalry? I agree that Kain would be better if only because he is a stronger character, but Golbez is still a great rival for Cecil. And the fact they put aside their differences and fight together at the end makes it an even better rivalry, since its not just the normal "Hero/Villain" thing.



-end FF Spoilers-


That would be all well and good, but rivals are usually after the same goal, and compete as a result. Besides

*FF4 spoilers*




That wasn't even really Golbez. The second we meet the real Golbez he's a good guy.




*End spoilers*

Kain is a much better example of a rivalry because you've got the ideological clash, they're competing for the same goal, and in the context of this contest, Kain's pretty good.

Actually, the FFIV crew as a whole need to make more appearances. Post-FFIVDS and the legion of spinoffs and rereleases that came with it, FFIV characters may have never won, but they've always looked good. This match is no exception.
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#144 | cbaron0 | Posted 11/7/2011 10:46:25 AM | message detail
ugh guys, what happened to the Nintendo ASV? >_>
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#145 | junk_funk | Posted 11/7/2011 10:47:58 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lol at people thinking Link will lose to Mario because of Mario's more "iconic" rivalry.

Mario has always been head over heels more iconic than Link on an individual level.

And he still gets schooled every time.
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#146 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 11/7/2011 10:48:15 AM | message detail
cbaron0 posted...
ugh guys, what happened to the Nintendo ASV? >_>

Schools aren't even out for another hour on the east coast
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#147 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/7/2011 10:48:22 AM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
IngmarBirdman posted...
I mean, Link/Ganondorf will still be beastly because, you know, Zelda, but not what we're used to from Link, I believe.

This is definitely possible, and personally I would vote Mario / Bowser over Link / Ganon here because it is a more iconic rivalry ... but to say we already have evidence that Link will underperform. I'll believe that when and if he goes out and drops the ball by only tripling Arthas, not before.

"Only" tripling Arthas wouldn't be horrible. He got like 79% on Thrall last contest, and Arthas is stronger than Thrall. Hell, I'd take Illidan to be stronger than Thrall too based on just character design.


Arthas is so close to Thrall, indirectly, that a tripling would indeed be an underperformance for this contest. If Link doesn't pull at least 80%, I'm going to have to call it a wash for the semis.
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#148 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/7/2011 10:51:07 AM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #136
Battle stats were broken throughout most of the last contest, I don't suspect that'll change this time!


Huh. Guess I never noticed last time because I couldn't get a decent streak going.
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#149 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/7/2011 10:51:47 AM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
From: The Mana Sword | #136
Battle stats were broken throughout most of the last contest, I don't suspect that'll change this time!
Huh. Guess I never noticed last time because I couldn't get a decent streak going.


Yeah, it's frustrating knowing you should be on the leaderboard, but don't see yourself there, because the damned thing is broken >.>
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#150 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/7/2011 10:53:27 AM | message detail
Ganondorf is damn strong on his own, and he and Link do have a strong rivalry that persists throughout the strongest game on the site.

I think you guys are undervaluing the Link/Ganondorf rivalry just to find reasons it may lose. This isn't Luigi/Waluigi we're talking about.
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