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#401 | SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 11/6/2011 9:52:44 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
I actually like calling the lead the anchor, because he 'anchors the team' and holds them firm and keeps them from blowing away.

Me too
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#402 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/6/2011 9:53:15 PM | message detail
Loving THE MAIN EVENT. That's totally what we should call the majority partner of the rivalry.
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#403 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 9:53:19 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #397
I doubt most of GameFAQs thinks so.

Rest assured they do. Given how popular Legend of Zelda is here, if Ganon wasn't not liked, he's be Noble Niner strength easily.


I don't think that has to be true. Seph being Noble 9 is a rare case.

I mean, he's the second strongest villain on this site.
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#404 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2011 9:53:42 PM | message detail
Of course it does, because Link isn't strong enough to 85-15 Arthas. If rivalry factor is what gets him there, then his rival has got to help. But if it's a worse rivalry than Arthas/Illidan, or the same quality rivalry, then Link isn't going to do any better than Link/Arthas 1v1.
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#405 | Colegreen_c12 | Posted 11/6/2011 9:53:46 PM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #395
I actually like calling the lead the anchor, because he 'anchors the team' and holds them firm and keeps them from blowing away.




All that really means is it prevents them from getting shutout.

It says nothing about if they do good.
#406 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 9:54:05 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #393
Even if Gordon wasn't in that poll, I'd be very worried for him right about now. Western characters are getting rocked so far.


With the exception of GET OVER HERE

Hmm... I'm wondering, can Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion be the strongest Western entry we can come up with (assuming no fictionals)? Relatively speaking, they could be way stronger than any Western game, series, or individual character.
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#407 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/6/2011 9:54:15 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #402
Loving THE MAIN EVENT. That's totally what we should call the majority partner of the rivalry.


The Michaels and the Jannetty, then.
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#408 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 9:54:49 PM | message detail
Ganon has Link, the best Shawn Michaels in GameFAQs history.
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#409 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 9:55:48 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #406
Hmm... I'm wondering, can Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion be the strongest Western entry we can come up with (assuming no fictionals)? Relatively speaking, they could be way stronger than any Western game, series, or individual character.


The thing that helps them out is that they have a long, storied history. Virtually no other Western entry in this contest has that.
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#410 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 9:56:00 PM | message detail
btw, loving this result. I let the heart of the bracket lead me to Red/Blue being strong.

Now they'll still lose to Ryu/Ken.

But I'll feel much better about making the emotional nostalgic decision.
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#411 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/6/2011 9:58:09 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #408
Ganon has Link, the best Shawn Michaels in GameFAQs history.


I am now imagining Cloud beating the holy living s*** out of Ganon and Ganon doing some triforce...magic...hax out of desperation, before making the hot tag to Link who wins the match single-handedly.
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#412 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 9:58:37 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Subpion | Lewong | Votes
0:05 | 71.89% | 28.11% | 530
1:00 | 74.19% | 25.81% | 5610
2:00 | 72.08% | 27.92% | 4771
3:00 | 72.82% | 27.18% | 4146
4:00 | 73.76% | 26.24% | 3754
5:00 | 73.45% | 26.55% | 3608
6:00 | 73.26% | 26.74% | 3370
7:00 | 72.22% | 27.78% | 3049
8:00 | 72.78% | 27.22% | 2829
9:00 | 74.44% | 25.56% | 2782
10:00 | 73.51% | 26.49% | 2499
11:00 | 72.91% | 27.09% | 2455
12:00 | 73.04% | 26.96% | 2040

Pretty boring since these series have pretty similar trends.
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#413 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/6/2011 9:58:44 PM | message detail

From: XIII_rocks | #407
The Michaels and the Jannetty, then.


Oh man can we just call them the Michaels and the Jannetty?
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#414 | WalrusJump | Posted 11/6/2011 9:58:59 PM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
Hmm... I'm wondering, can Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion be the strongest Western entry we can come up with (assuming no fictionals)? Relatively speaking, they could be way stronger than any Western game, series, or individual character.

Fallout 3? 4-way Master Chief?
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#415 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2011 10:00:20 PM | message detail
So, let's make a list of the writing on the wall for Phoenox/Gordon.

1. Every 1 Seed has rocked the house so far.
2. Gordon's vote-in poll has performed like ass so far.
3. Western characters (with the exception of the MK duo) have been getting embarrassed.
4. Lower vote totals. This can only help Wright.
5. Night match.
6. UMVC3 gets released three days after the match.
7. Match pic will almost certainly go their way.

Anything else I missed?
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#416 | negi_magician | Posted 11/6/2011 10:00:36 PM | message detail
Judging by my so far perfect bracket, I shouldn't have banked at 1500 pts. ._.
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#417 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/6/2011 10:00:42 PM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #413
Oh man can we just call them the Michaels and the Jannetty?


I really really think we should.
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#418 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 10:00:55 PM | message detail
There goes Red/Blue, dropping under 80%.
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#419 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 10:01:48 PM | message detail
Red/Blue under 80% at the end of the first hour.

400+ votes ahead of Mario/Bowser's pace though.
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#420 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:01:50 PM | message detail
I'm going to hazard a guess that Red/Blue finish the match above 80% after winning the morning vote.
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#421 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 10:01:54 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
So, let's make a list of the writing on the wall for Phoenox/Gordon.

1. Every 1 Seed has rocked the house so far.
2. Gordon's vote-in poll has performed like ass so far.
3. Western characters (with the exception of the MK duo) have been getting embarrassed.
4. Lower vote totals. This can only help Wright.
5. Night match.
6. UMVC3 gets released three days after the match.
7. Match pic will almost certainly go their way.

Anything else I missed?


Wright/Edgeworth rivalry doesn't suck?
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#422 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2011 10:02:39 PM | message detail
Pokemon morning vote isn't that great. They need the ASV, which they won't get. Alas.
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#423 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 10:04:36 PM | message detail | (edited)
Just slipped under 80% to end the Power Hour. This'll still end really damn good, but it isn't quite as earth-shattering as what Team MK just did (although that's largely BECAUSE DK and Team MK dramatically shifted future expectations). At least a few Oracle guys were confident enough to take the Trainers with over 80%.
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#424 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/6/2011 10:04:01 PM | message detail
Night match helps Phoenix? Half-Life 2 was the game that would have won another round with a 24 hour match. I don't remember offhand what Gordon the character trends like though.
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#425 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2011 10:04:46 PM | message detail
Gordon Freeman is night-oriented. Phoenix basically only has a night vote.
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#426 | LordOfDabu | Posted 11/6/2011 10:08:18 PM | message detail
I had a feeling this would be a slaughter when I saw people getting hyped about how high the percentages would be for this match. Normally this would be the kind of match that would bore everyone but a number of posters appeared to genuinely be looking forward to it for whatever reason. People here really love their pokemon!

Maybe I should play one of them some day to see what all the buzz is about. It doesn't seem like a game that'd interest me though.
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#427 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 10:15:56 PM | message detail

From: LordOfDabu | #426
Maybe I should play one of them some day to see what all the buzz is about. It doesn't seem like a game that'd interest me though.


I actually think it may appeal to you. I was one of those kids who just bulldozed everything with an overleveled Charizard, but from what I understand, there is a very strategic and complex metagame that someone like you may appreciate.
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#428 | junk_funk | Posted 11/6/2011 10:18:28 PM | message detail
Red is totally the Main Event. Blue's the crappy anchor.
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#429 | RPGLord95 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:22:18 PM | message detail
Red is Edge and Blue is Christian
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#430 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/6/2011 10:22:30 PM | message detail
creativename is so lazy in checking his PMs. He should always get into the habit of looking at the top right corner of any GameFAQs page whenever he loads up any page on GameFAQs. If it says anything other than "0 New Messages", he should check his PMs.
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#431 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:24:50 PM | message detail
Top tier Luster post.
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#432 | LordOfDabu | Posted 11/6/2011 10:25:31 PM | message detail
If you guys can find 2-3 other people who've never played pokemon with streaming capabilities I can organize a competitive blind run with commentary. (Assuming pokemon has some easy way to distinguish who is in the lead)
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#433 | RPGLord95 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:26:35 PM | message detail

From: LordOfDabu | #432
If you guys can find 2-3 other people who've never played pokemon with streaming capabilities I can organize a competitive blind run with commentary. (Assuming pokemon has some easy way to distinguish who is in the lead)


Most Pokemon caught? or just progression
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#434 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 10:28:42 PM | message detail
The gameplay isn't really conducive to such competition. It's a slower game, all about building and strengthening your team (it is an RPG, after all). The cool thing about Pokemon, though, is that you can then take your RPG team and battle them against other people's, and that's where the skill and strategy comes into play.
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#435 | EmDubyaSee | Posted 11/6/2011 10:35:11 PM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | #413
Oh man can we just call them the Michaels and the Jannetty?




I'm good with this with the exception of 1.


On every other rivalry they should be Michaels and Jannety (if they are good characters, the low tiers like Kerrigan Raynor should be like Londrick, or some other tag team who never did **** outside of tag wrestling).

However, Cloud and Sephiroth needs to be Edge and Christian. Just like with Christian no longer being Jannety once he got his World Title, there is no Jannetty in Cloud and Sephiroth, 2 former World Champions there, and they should be named after the only (not thrown together) tag team ever which had both members go on to Legend careers.
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#436 | janembaman | Posted 11/6/2011 10:36:10 PM | message detail
Wow at the pic of today match..just wow
I mean,just by looking at Red VS Blue part made me vote for them
#437 | creativename | Posted 11/6/2011 10:37:42 PM | message detail
Red/Blue are definitely beastly however people are going overboard if they think this team will challenge Ken/Ryu IMO.

Ken/Ryu is *THE* rivalry. Can't see Red/Blue making a serious run there. Unless the match pic is just completely redonkulously biased or something.

I think Ken/Ryu beating out Samus is significantly more likely than them losing to Red/Blue. Wouldn't be surprised to see the SF boys win that match at all now.

Kinda regret not sticking with them - in my initial "first impressions" bracket I had Ken/Ryu>Samus/Ridley, but after I saw how big underdogs they were I couldn't stick with it.

Ridley is going to seriously handicap Samus though. I mean probably not Robotnik or Dr. Wily or Lavos levels of handicap, but, still a handicap. Plus if there's any bandwagon effect or anything like that, it will work for Ken/Ryu.

From: Team Rocket Elite | #228
What makes you think that? Link/Ganondorf is a bad opponent for Mario/Bowser but a Cloud/Sephiroth that already beat Link/Ganondorf doesn't seem much better.


Finals wonkiness. I think even if Link/Ganon beat Cloud/Seph, Mario/Bowser could still win just based on everyone being sick and tired of the LAW. Also if Cloud/Seph beat Link then Mario/Bowser could get bandwagoned as well.

Basically I think the low vote totals make wonkiness possible, and Mario/Bowser is the team best equipped to benefit from wonkiness.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #376What should we call the the #1 guy?


Um...why not just #1...? >_> This "anchor" business seems confusing, it really could mean either guy. Something like Main vs. Sidekick would make more sense. Or just hero/chump.
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#438 | RPGLord95 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:41:01 PM | message detail
Cloud/Seph are the Outsiders for sure ... Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. Seph only ever won the IC title(Villains contest)
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#439 | JawolopingJeff | Posted 11/6/2011 10:41:04 PM | message detail
Is there any news on the battle stats issue where some people not showing up on the leaderboard, or possibly not having their battle brackets being scored at all?
#440 | EmDubyaSee | Posted 11/6/2011 10:41:05 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #437
Red/Blue are definitely beastly however people are going overboard if they think this team will challenge Ken/Ryu IMO.

Ken/Ryu is *THE* rivalry. Can't see Red/Blue making a serious run there. Unless the match pic is just completely redonkulously biased or something.

I think Ken/Ryu beating out Samus is significantly more likely than them losing to Red/Blue. Wouldn't be surprised to see the SF boys win that match at all now.

Kinda regret not sticking with them - in my initial "first impressions" bracket I had Ken/Ryu>Samus/Ridley, but after I saw how big underdogs they were I couldn't stick with it.

Ridley is going to seriously handicap Samus though. I mean probably not Robotnik or Dr. Wily or Lavos levels of handicap, but, still a handicap. Plus if there's any bandwagon effect or anything like that, it will work for Ken/Ryu.
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Finals wonkiness. I think even if Link/Ganon beat Cloud/Seph, Mario/Bowser could still win just based on everyone being sick and tired of the LAW. Also if Cloud/Seph beat Link then Mario/Bowser could get bandwagoned as well.

Basically I think the low vote totals make wonkiness possible, and Mario/Bowser is the team best equipped to benefit from wonkiness.
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Um...why not just #1...? >_> This "anchor" business seems confusing, it really could mean either guy. Something like Main vs. Sidekick would make more sense. Or just hero/chump.




They are not going to challenge them. They are going to massacre them. If Ryu Ken gets 40, they are lucky.
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#441 | EmDubyaSee | Posted 11/6/2011 10:46:54 PM | message detail

From: RPGLord95 | #438
Cloud/Seph are the Outsiders for sure ... Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. Seph only ever won the IC title(Villains contest)




Even if you want to equate Villains to IC (Stupid as hell, IC Title would be like going out in the Sweet 16) at no time in his life was Scott ever one of the biggest people in WWE/WCW. He was always behind Hogan and Nash (in both) and then Savage, Warrior, Bret and others in WWE, and Goldberg, Luger, Sting, Flair, and a cavlacade of others in WCW.

Seph throughout these has been #3 in the company. If anything, the villains contest is like Smackdown (even better with my analogy) not as prestigious as the Raw Title, but a World Title none the less.

Seph is a main eventer. So Edge Christian is the best example.
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#442 | Lopen | Posted 11/6/2011 10:47:24 PM | message detail
Dr. Wily brings more to the plate than Ridley does imhhho.

Lavos on the other hand, that's a point.
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#444 | RPGLord95 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:49:15 PM | message detail
Scott Hall/Razor Ramon is a bigger name than Christian. World title or not. Plus he is THE BAD GUY! OOZING WITH MACHISMO!
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#445 | creativename | Posted 11/6/2011 10:54:50 PM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #398
I think it makes more sense for the second character (whether weak or strong) to be the "anchor." I see it as relay race terminology, where the anchor is the last person to run.


Yeah but that's considered the most important position. So it would make more sense to use it for the stronger character, not the weaker one.

Anchor is just a terrible term to use in this context.

From: XIII_rocks | #407
The Michaels and the Jannetty, then.


Haha. Now *this* I could get behind! Awesome.

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creativename is so lazy in checking his PMs. He should always get into the habit of looking at the top right corner of any GameFAQs page whenever he loads up any page on GameFAQs. If it says anything other than "0 New Messages", he should check his PMs.


:) This will continue though, I'm never going to really notice those.

You were correct on DST being the problem, which caused the pollid calculation to become wrong. But remember that you can go to the poll update page and pass in the polld, e.g.:
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From: RPGLord95 | #438
Cloud/Seph are the Outsiders for sure ... Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. Seph only ever won the IC title(Villains contest)


So Mario is going to hurn heel and they will form the NWO?

From: red sox 777 | #404
Of course it does, because Link isn't strong enough to 85-15 Arthas. If rivalry factor is what gets him there, then his rival has got to help. But if it's a worse rivalry than Arthas/Illidan, or the same quality rivalry, then Link isn't going to do any better than Link/Arthas 1v1.


I think you're overlooking the fact that while in "rivalry factor" terms Ganon might not help Link, this Illidan guy might hurt Arthas. It might be such a "meh" rivalry that it detracts from the character. Something like this probably happened with Leon.

And will probably happen with Lavos too - I think Crono/Lavos will be weaker than Crono solo, because people will simply say "that's a crappy rivalry", and not "I love Crono and this other thing is irrelevant to my tastes".

Basically, people are juding this in "rivalry" terms, not "tag team" terms. As a tag team you can say strength should only increase based on the second character - but a rivalry can be much less than the sum of its parts.
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#446 | EmDubyaSee | Posted 11/6/2011 10:55:27 PM | message detail

From: RPGLord95 | #444
Scott Hall/Razor Ramon is a bigger name than Christian. World title or not. Plus he is THE BAD GUY! OOZING WITH MACHISMO!




Bigger name, yes. I did not deny that. But he is not as successful in kayfabe. Rowdy Roddy Piper is a bigger name than Christian too, he is also not as successful in kayfabe.

E and C have 2 World Champions. The Outsiders do not.

That works better for Cloud and Seph.


(Technically, the Super Powers works the best, but Savage and Hogan were not a real tag team, and we are comparing them to Michaels and Jannetty, which were)
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#447 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 11/6/2011 10:58:01 PM | message detail
What about the Mega Maniacs? Warrior and Savage?

Also LOL Mario joining the nWo with Cloud and Seph
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#448 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 11/6/2011 10:59:03 PM | message detail
errr Ultimate Maniacs I mean
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#449 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 11/6/2011 10:59:27 PM | message detail
because no one wants to be Brutus Beefcake
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#450 | creativename | Posted 11/6/2011 11:00:08 PM | message detail
BTW, some people here might be interesting in this piece ESPN did last month on Scott Hall:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904

It's called "The Wrestler: The Scott Hall Story" and they go into how Scott Hall is the real-life Mickey Rourke character from The Wrestler. I had no idea how tragic this guys story was! He's a total basketcase health-wise, it's crazy and very sad. Definitely worth watching though.

Interesting note on him too - he once killed a guy by shooting him in the head in a strip club altercation.
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