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#151 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 12:11:23 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #147
But Kirby/Meta Knight is a good rivalry.


I'm talking about Leon/Ada's performance here compared to Jill/Nemesis.

Do we think Jill/Nemesis is a good deal stronger than Leon/Ada?
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#152 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 12:17:35 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: charmander6000 | #147
But Kirby/Meta Knight is a good rivalry.
I'm talking about Leon/Ada's performance here compared to Jill/Nemesis.

Do we think Jill/Nemesis is a good deal stronger than Leon/Ada?


I wouldn't take it any higher than a 60-40.
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#153 | smitelf | Posted 11/6/2011 12:36:30 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #135
Sonic/Robotnik vs. Sub-Zero/Scorpion happens tonight. Who you take


Sub-Zero/Scorpion is hard to argue against, looking at the numbers.
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#154 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 11/6/2011 12:42:44 PM | message detail
Would anyone take Kratos or Shepard over Sub-Zero or is he the undisputed strongest western character now? I'm assuming Master Flop, Assassins, and GFNW (and Big Daddy too!) are out of the running.

And rivalry factor should be pretty strong here, but some of this has to be a Mortal Kombat boost. Anyone have the balls to pick Leon > Sub-Zero with confidence one-on-one after this? I still wouldn't take Sub-Zero over Ryu, Dante, Big Boss, MMX, or regular Zero, but against any other non-Square/Nintendo midcarder? Yeah.
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#155 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/6/2011 1:00:33 PM | message detail
Looking back, I have Sub-Zero and Leon Kennedy right next to each other in terms of strength, with Scorpion not too far behind and Ada Wong nowhere in sight. This may be another instance of cumulative power since Ada evidently adds very little. But the fact Sub-Zero and Scorpion are putting up 70% plus? Now I think the rivalry aspect matters.
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#156 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 1:19:23 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero's pretty strong, but this match doesn't have much of anything to do with how he'd do against Leon Kennedy 1-on-1. He could probably get 45%+ on him, but I don't think he'd win. You start getting Tidus dangerously close to Leon if you pick Sub-Zero to win that one, and I'm not sure how I feel about that (in terms of picking the match, not in terms of how I feel about it personally! A strong Tidus is a good Tidus!).

But it's pretty clear that Sub-Zero/Scorpion is a well-known and respected rivalry, which isn't unexpected.
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#157 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/6/2011 1:24:07 PM | message detail
Okay, rivalries matter now, but we should continue considering other factors around the recent matches. There are some x-factors surrounding the best examples of how much they matter; Sub-Zero/Scorpion had their series come back to relevance with MK9, DK/K.Rool came back in style as well with DKCR, and Captain Falcon was hindered because his feud comes from a racing-series when it's the SSB-series that made him likable. The worth of a good rivalry may be getting exaggerated due to those factors...

...but still, this certainly looks better for teams with real rivalries than before. This contest has picked up.
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#158 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/6/2011 1:29:20 PM | message detail
This match is giving me mixed feelings. On one hand, it seems better for how far I've taken Red/Blue... on the other hand, that won't really matter if I get the winner of the contest wrong and I'm feeling pretty bad about Link/Dorf's chances against Clouderoth.
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#159 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 11/6/2011 1:40:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
Sub-Zero didn't have MK9 when he beat Tidus, so I'm not sure how much Sub-Zero now being strong enough to beat Leon post-MK9 would say about Tidus's strength
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#160 | WhiteLens | Posted 11/6/2011 1:46:41 PM | message detail
Still have no idea what to take on the Lawyers vs. HL2 match.

The people who acknowledge the Phoenix/Edgeworth rivalry are the ones who are familiar with the series and would've voted for Phoenix by himself anyways all along, and we all know how his strength is.

And while the HL2 duo may not have a strong rivalry, they should be widely known with how popular HL2 is.

And UMvC3 only affects voters who don't know any of the characters would only be voting to Phoenix out of sheer hype, but I don't find that to be a large amount of people.

Yeah I know, not a big deal since it's only a 1-point match and the winner is getting beaten by Alucard/Dracula or Shepard/Saren. (Though the rivalry factor here makes the vampires look better now)
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#161 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/6/2011 1:56:28 PM | message detail

From: AxemRedRanger | #154
Would anyone take Kratos or Shepard over Sub-Zero or is he the undisputed strongest western character now? I'm assuming Master Flop, Assassins, and GFNW (and Big Daddy too!) are out of the running.

And rivalry factor should be pretty strong here, but some of this has to be a Mortal Kombat boost. Anyone have the balls to pick Leon > Sub-Zero with confidence one-on-one after this? I still wouldn't take Sub-Zero over Ryu, Dante, Big Boss, MMX, or regular Zero, but against any other non-Square/Nintendo midcarder? Yeah.


Shepard is almost defintiely the strongest western character we've got, barring Diablo hulking up with Diablo 3's release something fierce or some craziness like that. I'd totally take Subby for Number 2 Western Character, though.
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#162 | pjbasis | Posted 11/6/2011 1:57:11 PM | message detail
Time to go raise my Fox/Wolf oracle.
#163 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/6/2011 2:00:18 PM | message detail
Despite this result looking good for the fighting game pairs, I'm still happy with my Red/Blue run. They don't even need Charstoise.
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#164 | jacko_vdz | Posted 11/6/2011 2:05:32 PM | message detail | (edited)
Regardless, I'm even more hyped for Ryu/Ken vs Red/Blue. No idea how it's going to turn out

Edit: Hype match pic

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#165 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 2:05:08 PM | message detail
WhiteLens posted...
Still have no idea what to take on the Lawyers vs. HL2 match.

The people who acknowledge the Phoenix/Edgeworth rivalry are the ones who are familiar with the series and would've voted for Phoenix by himself anyways all along, and we all know how his strength is.

And while the HL2 duo may not have a strong rivalry, they should be widely known with how popular HL2 is.

And UMvC3 only affects voters who don't know any of the characters would only be voting to Phoenix out of sheer hype, but I don't find that to be a large amount of people.

Yeah I know, not a big deal since it's only a 1-point match and the winner is getting beaten by Alucard/Dracula or Shepard/Saren. (Though the rivalry factor here makes the vampires look better now)


I was seriously considering banking on the Wright/Gordon match, but with the rivalries playing such a big part in these matches so far, I might just let my points ride on Phoenix.

We're talking about Phoenix "OBJECTION!!" Wright and Miles Edgeworth vs. Gordon Freeman and Dr. "WHO CARES" Breen. The Wright duo get a hell of a lot more from the contest setup than the others do.
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#166 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 11/6/2011 2:07:43 PM | message detail
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#167 | Emporer_Kazbar | Posted 11/6/2011 2:09:02 PM | message detail
I think people are underselling Breen a little bit. (Not a whole lot, but a little). He definitely does not have name recognition, I'll give you that. But anyone who's played the game for five minutes will recognize his face.
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#168 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 2:09:54 PM | message detail
The question isn't whether or not they'll recognize him, but will they care?
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#169 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 11/6/2011 2:12:00 PM | message detail
I was seriously considering banking on the Wright/Gordon match, but with the rivalries playing such a big part in these matches so far, I might just let my points ride on Phoenix.

Same here. Also, I lost all my points while betting on Ezio, so I have some ground to make up. Additionally, Shepard/Alucard really doesn't look very debatable anymore. At this point, I expect the palindromes to pull off an Ulti-style blowout in that match.
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#170 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 2:12:27 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
The question isn't whether or not they'll recognize him, but will they care?

Pretty much this. I recognized Rodrigo once I saw his picture, but I still didn't care.
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#171 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 2:15:27 PM | message detail
Ultimaphazon posted...
I was seriously considering banking on the Wright/Gordon match, but with the rivalries playing such a big part in these matches so far, I might just let my points ride on Phoenix.

Same here. Also, I lost all my points while betting on Ezio, so I have some ground to make up. Additionally, Shepard/Alucard really doesn't look very debatable anymore. At this point, I expect the palindromes to pull off an Ulti-style blowout in that match.


Yeah, I already assumed Alucard would pull out the win on that match, but after the DK/Ezio match, I've solidified my position on it even more. With Ezio and Shepard both being new generation characters, and both having a weak anchor (admittedly, I would take Saren over Rodrigo, but that isn't saying much), I don't think there's any debate about the older, solid rivalry taking an easy 60-40.
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#172 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/6/2011 2:17:00 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #168
The question isn't whether or not they'll recognize him, but will they care?


I thought Breen was a giant douchebag throughout HL2. He's an awesome villain
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#173 | Emporer_Kazbar | Posted 11/6/2011 2:25:12 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #168
The question isn't whether or not they'll recognize him, but will they care?


Well, a decent portion of people who've played HL2 think he's an all-time villain (from what I've heard), so at least some people will. Just the debate on whether it will be enough. I have to hope that it is, for my bracket's sake and out of personal preference (Especially since I put in so much work rallying Freeman/Breen in anyway). But we'll see.
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#174 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2011 2:25:13 PM | message detail
Breen is offscreen for 99% of the game. He has little presence. The real main enemy of the game is the Combine in general.
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#175 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/6/2011 2:53:47 PM | message detail
In my match pic I made Breen on a screen like he is for 99% of the game!

obvious boost

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#176 | JawolopingJeff | Posted 11/6/2011 2:54:00 PM | message detail
I didn't bank on DK/Ezio, so I think that gives me the luxury of banking on Fox/Yuna. That result may be obvious to some, but not to me. The result of that match will help determine the results of other potentially controversial matches. I'm not going to bank on Phoenix/Gordon, which would give me a disadvantage compared to those who bank on DK and then Phoenix. I'm certain enough in my pick for that match.
#177 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/6/2011 3:22:23 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
I thought Breen was a giant douchebag throughout HL2. He's an awesome villain

I agree. He doesn't have a big presence time-wise, but I think he does a great job adding to the atmosphere of the game when he is around. Clever character.
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#178 | pjbasis | Posted 11/6/2011 3:28:30 PM | message detail
What's not obvious about Fox/Wolf vs. Yuna/Seymour?

It's good rivalry vs. not good rivalry, and is Yuna that much stronger than Fox? Or stronger at all?
#179 | foxhead84 | Posted 11/6/2011 3:38:52 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
I thought Breen was a giant douchebag throughout HL2. He's an awesome villain

I agree. He doesn't have a big presence time-wise, but I think he does a great job adding to the atmosphere of the game when he is around. Clever character.


Is he like Andrew Ryan's Bioshock?
#180 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/6/2011 3:42:27 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: KamikazePotato | #174
Breen is offscreen for 99% of the game. He has little presence. The real main enemy of the game is the Combine in general.


He might be out of sight but he's certainly not out of mind.

You can hear him in Nova Prospekt and any time you're in the city, he's talked about by the characters a lot and he has that big presence at the end of the game. He's certainly a big deal and I do seriously think Zen's pic will help a little if it's accepted - because even if casual HL2 players missed his name or have forgotten his name (it's been 7 years, to be fair), it's an instantly recognisable pic.
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#181 | ffmasterjose | Posted 11/6/2011 3:42:32 PM | message detail
Damn Scorpion is ugly in that picture
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#182 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 3:50:27 PM | message detail
I have my doubts about how strong Gordon himself is these days. I'm not even sure if he can manage that same 53% against Peach; he has had over two years to age and grow less relevant. Someone like Phoenix - who has a fanatical following, is "understood" by the internet, and likely relies more on his appeal - doesn't have to worry about relevancy as much. That said, Phoenix certainly is relevant right now. He's the most anticipated fighting game character since Snake in Brawl.

Anyway, what was I saying... oh yeah

I have my doubts about Gordon maintaining his strength from two years ago.
Alyx Vance is a huge step down from Gordon.
Dr. Breen is a huge step down from Alyx.

Breen is terrible fodder who brings nothing to the table - not legit strength, not an awesome rivalry, not even appeal to the match picture. He may not be quite as bad as Rodrigo, but he's close enough that you can lump them into the same category.
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#183 | KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2011 3:59:25 PM | message detail
I'm nervous about today. Cecil could win it and I wouldn't be surprised.
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#184 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/6/2011 4:04:29 PM | message detail
I'm excited about today. Cecil could win it and I wouldn't be surprised.
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#185 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 4:07:02 PM | message detail
Is Golbez in Dissidia?
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#186 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/6/2011 4:07:56 PM | message detail
#187 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 4:11:29 PM | message detail
Hmm... I guess it's plausible, but I'm still expecting a very easy win for the brothers slim. Luigi is a whole different story from Knuckles.
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#188 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/6/2011 4:17:35 PM | message detail | (edited)
Honestly, if you think Waluigi isn't hurting Luigi much (if at all), you take WaLuigi and never look back. I mean, Leon/Ada is nowhere near Leon himself based on this. Sure, Sub/Scorp is certainly stronger than Sub or Scorp alone, but not by anywhere close to this magnitude.

Until the shoe drops, I refuse to back down when I can hope for my boy Cecil, but I'm not expecting Cecil/Golbez to be as strong as Luigi relative to the top.

Although I did give up before the brackets closed and have WaLuigi there. >_>
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#189 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 4:26:59 PM | message detail
It's a brand new contest and we've only had a handful of matches, so I'm still going to evaluate things largely on a day-by-day basis. Cecil/Golbez may be the more quality rivalry, but it's also the far more obscure one. Luigi is one of the most iconic characters around, and while Waluigi may be junk, at least he's instantly recognizable.
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#190 | HaRRicH | Posted 11/6/2011 4:57:11 PM | message detail
Dr. Breen was able to beat Team Rocket and Wario with ~55% at GameSpot, so he's got fans somewhere. Regardless, Leon/Ada worries me more since they beat Freeman/Breen in the vote-in; I don't know if Sub-Zero/Scorpion can triple Phoenix/Edgeworth, but it currently looks like they could triple Freeman/Breen.
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#191 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/6/2011 5:00:11 PM | message detail
Dr. Breen's fans have to be here to matter, though. Freeman was competitive with Solid Snake, Link and Mario on GameSpot so they are a lot more Half-Life friendly than GameFAQs is.
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#192 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 5:01:04 PM | message detail
Man, Crono/Lavos is one difficult pic to make.
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#193 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 5:11:30 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #190
Dr. Breen was able to beat Team Rocket and Wario with ~55% at GameSpot, so he's got fans somewhere. Regardless, Leon/Ada worries me more since they beat Freeman/Breen in the vote-in; I don't know if Sub-Zero/Scorpion can triple Phoenix/Edgeworth, but it currently looks like they could triple Freeman/Breen.


Alyx Vance did pretty well at GameSpot, too, so yeah.
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#194 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 5:24:18 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
Dr. Breen was able to beat Team Rocket and Wario with ~55% at GameSpot, so he's got fans somewhere. Regardless, Leon/Ada worries me more since they beat Freeman/Breen in the vote-in; I don't know if Sub-Zero/Scorpion can triple Phoenix/Edgeworth, but it currently looks like they could triple Freeman/Breen.

I wonder when people are going to learn that Gamespot contests mean jack when talking about GameFAQs contests.
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#195 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 5:25:17 PM | message detail
Don't worry! HaRRicH loves bringing up irrelevant information! It's like his thing!

We need a new GameFAQs Top 100 Games contest so he can get back to using that again!
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#196 | junk_funk | Posted 11/6/2011 5:27:39 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
I don't know if Sub-Zero/Scorpion can triple Phoenix/Edgeworth

Yes.
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#197 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/6/2011 5:28:36 PM | message detail
I'm worried that Red/Blue being recognized as a rivalry won't boost it to the 70+%s people in the oracle are predicting simply because Raynor/Kerrigan is actually a real rivalry so it won't get swept under the bus like Leon/Ada (seriously what the ****)
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#198 | The Mana Sword | Posted 11/6/2011 5:28:43 PM | message detail
Man, Crono/Lavos is one difficult pic to make.

HM made an excellent one earlier, can't find it at the moment.
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#199 | junk_funk | Posted 11/6/2011 5:30:03 PM | message detail
I think all the blowout are scaring everyone into upping their %. It's scared me to.
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#200 | Calintares | Posted 11/6/2011 5:33:42 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Don't worry! HaRRicH loves bringing up irrelevant information! It's like his thing!

We need a new GameFAQs Top 100 Games contest so he can get back to using that again!


Huh, I was sure that niche was taken by LMS?
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