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#101 | __Smurf__ | Posted 11/6/2011 10:28:32 AM | message detail
Would have to agree Red vs Blue have the higher ceiling.
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#102 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 10:41:15 AM | message detail | (edited)
I don't see the hype behind Red/Blue, at least as it pertains to the match against Ryu/Ken. I didn't buy Red being any kind of force on his own, and there's no way I believe, that together with Blue, they approach the level of Ryu/Ken in 'rival' terms -- which is one of the top 3 most classic game rivalries of all-time.
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#103 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:41:24 AM | message detail
If no Charizard/Blastoise, then Red/Blue have no chance.

Still rooting for them, because I got more joy out of that rivalry than I ever got out of Ryu/Ken!
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#104 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:42:31 AM | message detail
Also, this Sub-Zero/Scorp blowout is probably the happiest I'll be all contest.
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#105 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/6/2011 10:43:25 AM | message detail
Yeah Pokemon > Luigi.
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#106 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2011 10:46:23 AM | message detail
Are people seriously using and iconic fighting rivalry to argue that Red/Blue will defeat another iconic fighting rivalry?

Didn't think rivalry factor was going to be that huge, it's good for some of my picks, but my southwest division is going to burn.
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#107 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/6/2011 10:51:02 AM | message detail
I've gotta say, I'm really stoked that I took Wright/Edgey over the HL2 duo. Gordon and Breen are gonna crash and burn.
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#108 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 10:59:15 AM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
Are people seriously using and iconic fighting rivalry to argue that Red/Blue will defeat another iconic fighting rivalry?

Didn't think rivalry factor was going to be that huge, it's good for some of my picks, but my southwest division is going to burn.


I'm glad I took the "rivalries will matter" route when I filled out my bracket. I made a last-second change from Alucard/Dracula to Frog/Magus in the southwest division.

Concerning Red/Blue, I think a lot of people want to attribute RBY's strength to Red/Blue. Of course, we saw Red get 40-60 by MMX last year, and Ryu is about the same strength as MMX. Which means that the Red/Blue rivalry is going to have to be significantly stronger than Ryu/Ken's rivalry to pull out the win.

And the fact is, the trainers just aren't as strong as the pokemon. Period.
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#109 | White_Tiger | Posted 11/6/2011 10:53:14 AM | message detail
This will be our first match to reach 40k.
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#110 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 10:57:12 AM | message detail | (edited)
Red is a similar strength to Ryu? I've definitely never had that impression; that's a 1v1 I wouldn't have too much trouble in picking the winner.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3847
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3795

Edit -- Nevermind, I see what you were saying now. I misread it.
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#111 | vcharon | Posted 11/6/2011 11:08:31 AM | message detail
I figured I would come home to them winning but my god, what in the hell? Utter destruction at Noble Nine-like strength against a duo containing a near elite was not what I was expecting at all.
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#112 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 11:10:35 AM | message detail
Everything this contest seems to go in favor of Frog/Magus as far as boosts go.

Less votes = Potential more CT power
Good rivalry
Old rivalry
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#113 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 11:10:47 AM | message detail
The hope for Red/Blue backers is that they build the momentum that Pokemon has in the past, that they get strong Pokemon in their match pics, that they essentially function as avatars for the Pokemon/whole series, and that they force voters to reminisce about RBY. All of these things in tandem can make them quite the force.

That's the way I approach it, anyway.

And no, it's not near Ryu/Ken in terms of iconic rivalries, but... only like two or three rivalries in gaming are. Red/Blue aren't slouches in the rivalry department, especially on this site, where their game is one of the top ten (if not five).
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#114 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:21:07 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #046
Also, Red/Blue are legitimately better characters than Ryu/Ken. Ryu/Ken sorta suck.


This post sorta sucks.
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#115 | vcharon | Posted 11/6/2011 11:21:36 AM | message detail
I disagree.

It completely sucks.
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#116 | The Real Truth | Posted 11/6/2011 11:22:59 AM | message detail
Stupid Waluigi
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#117 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 11/6/2011 11:23:07 AM | message detail
So, uh, people would take Leon/Ada over Catherine/Katherine no matter how much rivalries matter, right?
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#118 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:23:18 AM | message detail
That post definitely contains excessive amounts of suck.
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#119 | vcharon | Posted 11/6/2011 11:23:46 AM | message detail
Rivalries don't mean anything if you're fodder, just like any other contest.
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#120 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 11:28:07 AM | message detail
So, thoughts on Luigi/Waluigi vs. Cecil/Golbez?
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#121 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:30:13 AM | message detail
I think the most you expect in Luigi vs. Cecil is that Cecil will end up with a much higher percentage than previous thought. I don't think people will consider Cecil/Golbez that much better of a rivalry than Luigi alone.
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#122 | vcharon | Posted 11/6/2011 11:37:30 AM | message detail
Tough to say just how bad Waluigi is. It's a clearer rivalry than something like Leon/Ada and he's not as obscure as Rodrigo.

I have Luigi winning but I'll be voting against my bracket for my favorites. I'm not totally confident I made the right choice (even though I've been 100% right so far, I just didn't think DK/KRool and Sub/Scorp would dominate these matches).
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#123 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:37:55 AM | message detail
Oh right, I forgot to post the chart for Guybrush/Bartz yesterday, so we get a two-for-one!


Time | Guychuck | Bartmesh | Votes
0:05 | 32.48% | 67.52% | 428
1:00 | 36.21% | 63.79% | 4396
2:00 | 36.12% | 63.88% | 3846
3:00 | 35.45% | 64.55% | 3450
4:00 | 35.92% | 64.08% | 2973
5:00 | 35.67% | 64.33% | 2596
6:00 | 36.60% | 63.40% | 2574
7:00 | 37.43% | 62.57% | 2311
8:00 | 35.73% | 64.27% | 2127
9:00 | 36.61% | 63.39% | 1931
10:00 | 34.83% | 65.17% | 1889
11:00 | 32.93% | 67.07% | 1725
12:00 | 33.40% | 66.60% | 1542

Bartz/Gilgamesh do well at the beginning and end of the match, but not a lot of fluctuation here.

Time | Donkrool | Ezrigo | Votes
0:05 | 67.05% | 32.95% | 792
1:00 | 63.86% | 36.14% | 5388
2:00 | 62.09% | 37.91% | 3403
3:00 | 60.22% | 39.78% | 2481
4:00 | 61.03% | 38.97% | 2058
5:00 | 58.47% | 41.53% | 1582
6:00 | 57.94% | 42.06% | 1467
7:00 | 56.67% | 43.33% | 1267
8:00 | 54.60% | 45.40% | 1566
9:00 | 58.64% | 41.36% | 1990
10:00 | 59.89% | 40.11% | 2326
11:00 | 58.02% | 41.98% | 2661
12:00 | 61.03% | 38.97% | 2841
13:00 | 59.68% | 40.32% | 2778

DK/K. Rool start strong and taper off until the morning, when they go back up to where they had been before, as expected.
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#124 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2011 11:39:41 AM | message detail
Despite what people here say, to the average voter Luigi and Waluigi are known as rivals, even if they aren't a great one.
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#125 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:40:01 AM | message detail
Yeah, I went with Luigi, but I'm voting for Cecil. I don't think Cecil/Golbez, as a rivalry, is all that significant to many voters, so the fact that rivalries are proving to be important shouldn't change too much. I won't be surprised if Luigi gets some really low percentage, but I still think he's good to win.
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#126 | vcharon | Posted 11/6/2011 11:40:56 AM | message detail
I still think Cecil and Kain would have had a much better shot here.
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#127 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:40:57 AM | message detail
Would anyone be picking differently if it were Cecil/Kain instead?
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#128 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/6/2011 11:41:10 AM | message detail
let's talk about a real rivalry here

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#129 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:41:54 AM | message detail
Cecil/Kain might actually be worth talking about. Still have no idea how Golbez got the nod over Kain.
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#130 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2011 11:44:09 AM | message detail | (edited)
we also need to consider that Luigi and Waluigi are the first and third strongest characters in the poll while in the last two matches Ezio/Rodrigo and Leon/Ada were the first and fourth strongest (though debatable in Ezio's case)
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#131 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:43:07 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #129
Cecil/Kain might actually be worth talking about. Still have no idea how Golbez got the nod over Kain.


Bacon put Cecil/Golbez into the suggestions database pretty much right away because he's a biased FFIV fanboy.

Surprised his bias didn't lead him to suggest Cecil/Kain, but whatever!
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#132 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2011 11:43:35 AM | message detail
Would anyone be picking differently if it were Cecil/Kain instead?

Right now I'd be nervous
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#133 | SabrielAbhorsen | Posted 11/6/2011 11:44:09 AM | message detail
I don't know anything about the Cecil/Golbez rivalry but I don't see Luigi/Waluigi as being that strong. Has Waluigi even been in a proper game? Isn't he just a fan service character?
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#134 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:44:22 AM | message detail
damn you bacon

I might have actually chose Cecil/Kain in my bracket over Luigi/Waluigi. That's a real rivalry that could have resonated with people.
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#135 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 11:44:42 AM | message detail
Sonic/Robotnik vs. Sub-Zero/Scorpion happens tonight. Who you take
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#136 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2011 11:45:44 AM | message detail
So does Solid Snake/Liquid Snake double Crono/Lavos?
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#137 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:45:52 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #135
Sonic/Robotnik vs. Sub-Zero/Scorpion happens tonight. Who you take


Sonic/Knuckles > Sub-Zero/Scorpion > Sonic/Robotnik

...Maybe
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#138 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:46:08 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #136
So does Solid Snake/Liquid Snake double Crono/Lavos?


Yeah, that could get ugly.
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#139 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:46:40 AM | message detail
Sonic/Knuckles is another one that could have been huge. Instead, we get Robotnik!
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#140 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 11:47:52 AM | message detail
I have a sneaking suspicion that Crono/Lavos will do alright. Certainly not this bad.
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#141 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 11:48:12 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
From: ZFS | #129
Cecil/Kain might actually be worth talking about. Still have no idea how Golbez got the nod over Kain.
Bacon put Cecil/Golbez into the suggestions database pretty much right away because he's a biased FFIV fanboy.

Surprised his bias didn't lead him to suggest Cecil/Kain, but whatever!


So, what's your take on the match, Leon?
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#142 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:48:17 AM | message detail
The problem is that everyone on Board 8 went with Mario/Sonic, so the casuals were able to get Sonic/Robotnik in the contest instead!

There was a reason I nominated Mario/Sonic and Sonic/Knuckles, but alas!
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#143 | ZFS | Posted 11/6/2011 11:49:40 AM | message detail
Maybe not this bad, but I imagine the Snakes will put a big hurt on Crono/Lavos. The former are stronger, more popular, characters individually, and then on top of that they have a much better rivalry. That was always a pretty unfair match, maybe Crono can get some sprites happening to give him a picture edge!
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#144 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 11:49:55 AM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #141
So, what's your take on the match, Leon?


I still think Luigi/Waluigi will win. Golbez is pretty bad. I mean, Bartz/Gilgamesh could only get 64% on Guybrush/LeChuck for cryin' out loud. I know Cecil/Golbez would do better than that, but I think it'll be a pretty weak pairing.

Luigi/Waluigi is one of the more intriguing pairings in the contest with the rivalry factor taken into consideration.
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#145 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/6/2011 11:58:31 AM | message detail | (edited)

From: PartOfYourWorld | #135
Sonic/Robotnik vs. Sub-Zero/Scorpion happens tonight. Who you take


Sonic.

Edit: Ada just sucks. I wouldn't overrate this performance TOO much.
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#146 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2011 12:00:04 PM | message detail
It feels difficult to pick against Sub/Scorpion considering they're equaling with Sonic/Robotnik got on the 'atherines. I suppose it's possible the 'atherines win though.

Still, Leon/Ada doing so poorly makes me feel better about Sonic/Robotnik beating Kirby/Meta Knight anyway.
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#147 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2011 12:01:40 PM | message detail
But Kirby/Meta Knight is a good rivalry.
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#148 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2011 12:03:45 PM | message detail
I'd probably take Sub/Scorp over Sonic/Robotnik, but not by much.
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#149 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2011 12:03:58 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #146
I suppose it's possible the 'atherines win though.


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#150 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2011 12:09:58 PM | message detail
Regardless of logic and proof to the contrary, I can't believe the Catherines have any strength whatsoever.
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