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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1012
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The ANCHOR factor strikes again! --- Pobody's nerfect. |
If
the trainers can beat Ryu/Ken, I'll be shocked. That is the seminal
video game rivalry right there. I'm more worried about Ryu/Ken taking
out Samus than the Poke-dorks --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
I can't wait to see Cloud VS Sephiroth in action. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. Black Turtle > Me |
Really hyped over X/Zero vs. Scorp/Zero now. That's my pick for what could be the match of the contest. --- PSN: VeryInsane Steam: SuperVeryInsane XBL: ElectricRyan Wii: Some Random Numbered Friend Code. |
I still think Luigi/Waluigi got it. Rivalries have to be long lasting to get a bonus effect, IMO. That's what a rivalry is. Cecil/Golbez is just one game. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka This is Yesmar. |
Haha, man! This contest is crazy! I think this is the most unpredictable contest we could have, at least without major 4chan involvement. --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
Seriously, what the hell is this. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
X/Zero
still win easy, you heard it here first. I love Leon/Ada, but it's a
meaningless rivalry also. When we saw Leon/Ada in the bracket, a lot of
Resident Evil fans were wtfing. Jill/Nemesis might actually be stronger
in this contest, and Leon/Ada don't even contrast with Subz/Scorpz (at
least Jill had that going for her). --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
LOLContests posted... I still think Luigi/Waluigi got it. Rivalries have to be long lasting to get a bonus effect, IMO. That's what a rivalry is. Cecil/Golbez is just one game. FFIV and Dissidia are just one game? --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
Oh, forgot about Dissidia. Hmm. I'm still not sure Cecil/Golbez is one par with something like Subby Vs. Scorpion though. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka This is Yesmar. |
I'm
really concerned about the Luigi match, tbh. I took him to the second
round, under the assumption that even the rivalry factor can't save
Cecil/Golbez from being turbofodder. But these huge vote swings are
making me nervous. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #010 Don't forget The After Years. --- Official Marth of the SSBU Board Sign here http://bit.ly/qqDDST and copy this to your sig if you want Majora's Mask 3D. |
They don't need to be. Cecil/Golbez doesn't need 70%+ in order to win. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
If
the trainers can beat Ryu/Ken, I'll be shocked. That is the seminal
video game rivalry right there. I'm more worried about Ryu/Ken taking
out Samus than the Poke-dorks I unfortunately have to agree with this. Rivalry factor doesn't help Red/Blue over Ryu/Ken because Ryu/Ken has it as well. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
cannot wait for Red/Blue now. this is awesome. --- Leafs / Raptors / Blue Jays / TFC / Argos / Tottenham [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Cecil/Golbez were even less a rivalry in Dissidia then in FFIV. --- When you've got a pretty-boy monkey on your back constantly calling you a puppet, you hardly want to seem like you're happy to be used. - DSakaCharanJ |
Ryu/Ken doesn't come from a top 5 game on this site. --- caps |
From: LOLContests | #006 Considerign all the rereleases for FF4 and Dissidia, Cecil/Golbez has lasted "longer" than Luigi/Waluigi which started in Mario Tennis 64 --- Want to listen to more video game music every day? Check out the VGMusicoftheDay Youtube Channel sometime! |
From: GranzonEx | #018 Neither do the two guys almost managing a tripling right now. RE4 would probably crush their entire series. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
I'm still convinced Trainers vs Ryu/Ken will depend on the match pic. Charizard/Blastoise, plus nostalgia, could turn it around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBJ7ao-_WyA GO GO GO! --- *huggles* |
Luigi >>> Cecil or Golbez Cecil > Waluigi Waluigi > Golbez (a hunch, weird how Waluigi has never had match) Anchor Factor says Luigi will win in fashion. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
To
put it in perspective even Link is projected to fall under what
Sub/Scorp is getting now against Leon. Either resident evil has fallen
off a cliff (which seems unlikely given Jill was close to expected),
Mortal Kombat has risen to LoZ/FF levels of power or theres a massively
different voting trend than Sub-Zero versus Leon here. if its the latter as expected I doubt this is even the match with the most accentuated difference between a strong and crappy rivalry. Opens the door for a lot of possibilities. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #020 I was refering to TRE's post. Red/Blue would beat Ryu/Ken based on their games if their rivalry factors cancel out. --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
I don't get the hype that Red and Blue gets. They are just two trainers. If it was Charizard VS Blastoise on the other hand.... --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. Black Turtle > Me |
GranzonEx posted... From: PartOfYourWorld | #020 Neither do the two guys almost managing a tripling right now. RE4 would probably crush their entire series. I was refering to TRE's post. Red/Blue would beat Ryu/Ken based on their games if their rivalry factors cancel out. Would any single Pokemon beat Ryu, though? Maybe Charizard, though I think he was being rallied more than anything. SF2 has an amazingly high playrate so I don't think the games would matter much. --- http://raptr.com/badge/cf898f37d9c30ef120ada6c35e636ad3/fs.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #015 You make it sound like its a static value. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism |
RBY would destroy SF2 >_> --- Black: 3310-7431-2094 |
This match and the previous match showed that not caring about a rivalry does not help the possible "stronger" character at all. But both sides are well known here, we're not going to get a strong showing of how well the rivalry factor plays out until Luigi/Waluigi vs Cecil/Golbez. That match could definitely bring some light into Phoenix/Edgeworth vs. Freeman/Breen. --- http://www.backloggery.com/whitelens http://myanimelist.net/profile/WhiteLens |
GranzonEx posted... From: PartOfYourWorld | #020 Neither do the two guys almost managing a tripling right now. RE4 would probably crush their entire series. I was refering to TRE's post. Red/Blue would beat Ryu/Ken based on their games if their rivalry factors cancel out. Somebody didn't see Red go 40-60 against MMX last year. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I
wonder if any of this has to do with MK9, and not just rivalry - it
actually had a good story mode, and sold pretty damn well, if I recall.
Maybe Subs would reliably take Leon 1v1 now --- I'm too tired to drive anywhere, anyway, right now, do you care if I praise Black Turtle? Call me numbers. |
Here's a simple explanation: Nobody cares about Ada Wong --- ~ Rivalry Rumble Oracle Challenge ~ Rank - 61st Today's Prediction: Subby/Scorp - 60.14% |
If the Trainers beat Ryu/Ken because of rivalry factor, that's really depressing. The only thing the trainers have going for them are awesome match pics. The characters themselves kind of suck. --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
Why
would Charizard and Blastoise be in the match picture? The rivalry is
the trainers, not Charizard/Blastoise. Bacon would never accept a pic
with more than the characters involved in the poll. --- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg |
WhiteLens posted... This match and the previous match showed that not caring about a rivalry does not help the possible "stronger" character at all. But both sides are well known here, we're not going to get a strong showing of how well the rivalry factor plays out until Luigi/Waluigi vs Cecil/Golbez. That match could definitely bring some light into Phoenix/Edgeworth vs. Freeman/Breen. Are you saying that if Cecil/Golbez win or do well that rivalries matter more or less? --- Pobody's nerfect. |
__Smurf__ posted... From: Team Rocket Elite | #015 If the trainers can beat Ryu/Ken, I'll be shocked. That is the seminal video game rivalry right there. I'm more worried about Ryu/Ken taking out Samus than the Poke-dorks I unfortunately have to agree with this. Rivalry factor doesn't help Red/Blue over Ryu/Ken because Ryu/Ken has it as well. You make it sound like its a static value. If anything, Ryu/Ken is going to get a stronger boost than Red/Blue. People just DON'T CARE about the trainers in pokemon games. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
From: TheCodeisBosco | #033 Gary ****ING Oak. And you will respect his girth. Know your place Knave. --- From: Regaro_Ukiera | MWC is god-tier |
From: Greyfeld | #030 Doesn't matter. Red/Blue represents their game. A top 5 game on this site. Put those two together they can stomp their way through pretty much everything. Only possible if people vote based on rivalries. --- caps |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Why would Charizard and Blastoise be in the match picture? The rivalry is the trainers, not Charizard/Blastoise. Bacon would never accept a pic with more than the characters involved in the poll. I think he already said he would allow it. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I was refering to TRE's post. Red/Blue would beat Ryu/Ken based on their games if their rivalry factors cancel out. Ryu is way stronger than Red and Ken is likely way stronger than Blue. If rivalry factors cancel out, Red/Blue is going down. You make it sound like its a static value. I think I'm being generous to Red/Blue in saying it's equal. I would expected it to be worth more in the Ryu/Ken pair. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
From: junk_funk | #035 Yes....or that Waluigi being there is getting the Luigis anti-voted to hell. --- http://img.imgcake.com/whitelens/interdespairzm6.gif |
Wow this is ridic. Everything is a blowout now. DK / Ezio now seems like a close match. --- "Getting lucky 100% of the time... it's called PRO SKILL." -BlAcK TuRtLe |
I
think we can start taking past 1 v 1 results with a grain of salt. Ezio
would beat DK easily 1 v 1, and Leon would easily beat Sub-Zero 1 v 1,
and look what happened. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
14_and_counting posted... From: TheCodeisBosco | #033 If the Trainers beat Ryu/Ken because of rivalry factor, that's really depressing. The only thing the trainers have going for them are awesome match pics. The characters themselves kind of suck. Gary ****ING Oak. And you will respect his girth. Know your place Knave. Gary and Blue are different. Gary was pretty damn funny. Blue has "SMELL YA LATER," a cool conspiracy theory about his Raticate, and absolutely nothing else. --- "Claire likes to say 'You can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.' But I happen to believe you can be both." - Phil Dunphy |
GrapefruitKing posted... Here's a simple explanation: Nobody cares about Ada Wong My thoughts on the matter. Ada is the only low midcarder in the match. Bad anchor. --- Pobody's nerfect. |
Also, Red/Blue are legitimately better characters than Ryu/Ken. Ryu/Ken sorta suck. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Gary and Blue are the same person. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Also calling it now: Red/Blue underperform significantly relative to what we're seeing now. Kerrigan/Raynor is an enormously contrasting opponent, and I think PC gamers actually like it. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Leon would easily beat Sub-Zero 1 v 1 I wouldn't say easily if Sub-Zero boosted from MK9. Still it would be nothing like the 70-30 match we have right now. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
GranzonEx posted... From: Greyfeld | #030 Somebody didn't see Red go 40-60 against MMX last year. Doesn't matter. Red/Blue represents their game. A top 5 game on this site. Put those two together they can stomp their way through pretty much everything. Only possible if people vote based on rivalries. Pokemon Trainer Red proved last year that characters =\= games. And Ryu's popularity, despite how badly fighting games do on this site, also repeatedly proves it. The strength of the individual RBY games in these contests have zilch to do with how well the trainers do in the contest. You can't make a direct comparison between games and characters in these contests. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
