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#201 | X_Dante_X | Posted 11/5/2011 4:16:19 PM | message detail
Dante/Steve is someone summoning me
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#202 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 4:17:44 PM | message detail
Also, what Leonhart said. I mean, if you're trying to come up with reasons DK wins, I don't think you have to go that low. In fact, I'm confident in DK winning this match, despite Ezio being a top 10 character for me! This whole name thing is just dumb. I wonder how Shepard is handling his name!
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#203 | Sorozone | Posted 11/5/2011 4:20:22 PM | message detail
Ezio's name is too long, I'm voting DK.
#204 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/5/2011 4:21:24 PM | message detail
I guess we'll just agree to disagree then. The fact that no one disputed Dante/Steve at least suggests we all think names matter.

Mario, Luigi and Kirby do just fine with normal names. I don't think a different name would really affect them much or at all.
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#205 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/5/2011 4:21:24 PM | message detail
Reasons like this - THIS - is why people still hate stats. There are people who simply refuse to "agree to disagree" and leave something alone amicably. Instead, someone always has to be made to look stupid. Go ahead, call me stupid. Go ahead.
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#206 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 4:22:30 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #205
Reasons like this - THIS - is why people still hate stats.


Most people who still hate stats haven't been in one of these topics in 5+ years!
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#207 | X_Dante_X | Posted 11/5/2011 4:23:44 PM | message detail
So, I assume the Steve-Dante thing was a coincidence then. Jeez guys, be careful when you summon people.

I'll be on my way then
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#208 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 4:23:55 PM | message detail
If I think reasoning is dumb, I'm probably going to tell you it is. You should be able to handle an idea being criticized like that. That doesn't mean someone else won't read what you're saying and find it agreeable, but my stance on the "name issue" is that.
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#209 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/5/2011 4:26:09 PM | message detail
I'm talking about AN EXTREMELY SMALL DIFFERENCE HERE. Tenths or hundredths of a percent, but in a match that can go either way, I'll TAKE WHAT I CAN GET.

And my reasoning obviously isn't dumb, since no one will even talk about Dante/Steve. At the very least, you think my example is dumb, and for an EXAMPLE, we can AGREE TO DISAGREE.
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#210 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 4:26:37 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #209
And my reasoning obviously isn't dumb, since no one will even talk about Dante/Steve.


That's not what this means!
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#211 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 4:28:08 PM | message detail
Haha. Donkey Kong Fanboy that's what's happening here tbqh
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#212 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 4:28:40 PM | message detail
Honestly is there a dumber name for a character than DONKEY Kong

That's what's been holding him back all these years
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#213 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/5/2011 4:31:14 PM | message detail
#214 | ChemisTRE | Posted 11/5/2011 4:48:15 PM | message detail
Ezio is gonna ball all over Donkey Kong.
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#215 | JawolopingJeff | Posted 11/5/2011 4:55:41 PM | message detail
I'm trying really hard to convince myself that DK will win. I just can't work it out.
#216 | Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/5/2011 5:06:05 PM | message detail
I believe Ezio shall win.I mean he has 3 games in 3 years right?What DK has?
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#217 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 5:06:45 PM | message detail
Well, technically, Ezio's 3rd game isn't out yet. Not sure how beneficial it will be to him.
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#218 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 5:08:38 PM | message detail
Last time we saw Ezio, I think he only had ACII to his name, so things have definitely improved for him since then. It probably helps that Revelations is coming out so soon.
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#219 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 5:09:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, Brotherhood hadn't come out yet when Ezio made his contest debut.

Although the issue isn't really whether Ezio beats DK 1-on-1. I'm confident he does. The issue is what impact adding K. Rool and Rodrigo has on the match.
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#220 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 5:12:07 PM | message detail
Rodrigo is why I picked DK in my bracket. I don't think K. Rool adds much on his own, but it might bring back memories of DKC for some people. Rodrigo is whatever, if not possibly a negative addition to Ezio's popularity, so that ended up with me figuring DK > Ezio.
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#221 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/5/2011 5:12:31 PM | message detail
Personally I'm still in the "Rivalry Matters doesn't exist" group until something proves otherwise.

I still think people are voting for their favourite game/character.
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#222 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/5/2011 5:13:18 PM | message detail
#223 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 5:15:45 PM | message detail | (edited)
He's the main antagonist in AC2, and has a bit role in Brotherhood. He's not likable on his own, nor is he particularly standout in either game. Really, Ezio's main rival are the Templars, not any one individual, but you know, rulez.
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#224 | X_Dante_X | Posted 11/5/2011 5:16:04 PM | message detail
ezios main rivalry is bards, don't kid yourself
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#225 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/5/2011 5:16:26 PM | message detail
So he'd be what, like Saddler in RE4 if he never called Leon at all during the game?
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#226 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 5:16:31 PM | message detail
also acceptable
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#227 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 5:41:24 PM | message detail

From: X_Dante_X | #224
ezios main rivalry is bards, don't kid yourself


Totally should've had Altair/Beggar Lady in this contest
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#228 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 11/5/2011 5:45:13 PM | message detail
Personally I'm still in the "Rivalry Matters doesn't exist" group until something proves otherwise.

I still think people are voting for their favourite game/character.


I'm undecided between whether the rivalry matters or whether it's simply a cumulative thing. The Mario-Bowser and X-Zero results are pretty unlikely as 1v1's like X / Falcon or Mario / Jim so I think something else is at work beyond just favorite (singular) character.
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#229 | Emporer_Kazbar | Posted 11/5/2011 5:51:14 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #223
He's the main antagonist in AC2, and has a bit role in Brotherhood. He's not likable on his own, nor is he particularly standout in either game. Really, Ezio's main rival are the Templars, not any one individual, but you know, rulez.


It doesn't help that they don't reveal Borgia's name until the game starts to wrap up.
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#230 | ZFS | Posted 11/5/2011 5:53:33 PM | message detail
Yeah. Ezio refers to him as "The Spaniard" for most of the game.
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#231 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 5:54:51 PM | message detail
Well, they probably keep his name a secret in order to maintain the plot twist for who he becomes at the end of the game, in case there are some historians playing the game!

But yeah, that won't help the cause.
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#232 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 5:55:47 PM | message detail
Although if you've played Brotherhood, it's hard not to recognize the name because you hear "The Borgia" a million times over.
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#233 | XIII_rocks | Posted 11/5/2011 5:55:52 PM | message detail
Rodrigo going to pull in the vote of people watching that TV show, "The Borgias", imo.

If Rodrigo/Ezio win I propose we coin the term "JIF" or "Jeremy Irons Factor"
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#234 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/5/2011 7:04:33 PM | message detail
Match VII: (3) Donkey Kong/King K. Rool vs. (6) Ezio Auditore da Firenze/Rodrigo Borgia

Previous Contest

Donkey Kong – 2010
43.71% against Vivi Orntier

King K. Rool – N/A
N/A

Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 2010
59.71% against Simon Belmont
37.89% against Zelda

Rodrigo Borgia – N/A
N/A

Analysis

First match of the contest where the winner is debatable. If we ever had the pleasure of getting a second villains contest King K. Rool would have been among my most wanted new villains to reach the contest. While according to the board and my bracket Donkey Kong should win I feel a lot of people did not consider Ezio well enough for the upset.

Going by their performance last year against Vivi and Zelda it would seem that the two would rank closely with each other, but a lot has happened since that contest. First Donkey Kong has received a true new game in Donkey Kong Country Returns where even the people that disliked the Wii give it some respect while Ezio has received Brotherhood and has Revelations coming out in just over a week. While I feel Donkey Kong will get a boost Ezio could range from almost nothing to becoming a new character.

New games tend to make a character more relevant and add new fans, however considering Assassin’s Creed II was only two months old at the time of the last contest I don’t think Assassin’s Creed is any more relevant today than it was last contest, if fact for the last two years fans have either been hyping for a new game or loving the release of the new game. As for new fans while Ezio as a character probably didn’t change the minds of existing fans in Brotherhood it would be crazy to claim that everyone that bought Brotherhood also owned Assassin’s Creed II. There’s probably a very large overlap, but it isn’t a complete overlap.

A match between Rool and Rodrigo would probably go Rool’s way on GameFAQs, but the amount of overlap and considering how weak they are overall probably suggests that neither character is going to add much in terms of overall strength. In terms of rivalry factor I would have to give it to Donkey Kong and King K. Rool, due to nostalgia though looking at the strengths of the Donkey Kong Country games do make me worry, however both games had to face Nintendo opposition so we don’t know their true strength. Either way their rivalry isn’t touching what Mega Man X and Zero have.

Nintendo and old characters have looked pretty decent so far, but this is the first time where they are being seriously challenged. Donkey Kong gets the advantage of this being a night match, but with daylight savings time coming to an end Ezio and Rodrigo will have an extra hour to try and use the morning vote to their advantage. Donkey Kong has a history of choking winnable matches hopefully this won’t be one of them.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Donkey Kong/King K. Rool > Ezio Auditore da Firenze/Rodrigo Borgia

charmander6000’s Prediction: Donkey Kong/King K. Rool wins, 52.25% - 47.75%
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#235 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 7:07:32 PM | message detail
oh hey as usual GameFAQs internal clock moves the wrong direction on time change
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#236 | Link The Hylian | Posted 11/5/2011 7:19:15 PM | message detail
Too bad we can't have Link vs Cloud as a rivalry. That would win with ease. Now Cloud vs Sephiroth is likely to win.
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#237 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 7:19:55 PM | message detail
I'd almost like to see Link vs. Cloud just to see how much havoc they would wreak.
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#238 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/5/2011 7:22:01 PM | message detail
Link/Cloud vs Mario/Sonic

I wonder how that would turn out.
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#239 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 7:22:43 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #238
Link/Cloud vs Mario/Sonic

I wonder how that would turn out.


Somebody suggest this to Bacon for the bonus poll.
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#240 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/5/2011 7:24:09 PM | message detail
We could even do the bonus match during the 24 hour break between the semifinals and the final match.
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#241 | Lopen | Posted 11/5/2011 7:27:19 PM | message detail
I'd prefer to see something like Link/Dark Link just to piss people off.

Or Master Chief/Link.
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#242 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/5/2011 7:28:28 PM | message detail
Link/Dark Link vs. Mario/Shadow Mario

IMHO
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#243 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2011 7:28:56 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | #242
Link/Dark Link vs. Mario/Shadow Mario

IMHO


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#244 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/5/2011 7:30:46 PM | message detail
Link/Cloud vs. Navi/Cait Sith
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#245 | JJH777 | Posted 11/5/2011 7:53:19 PM | message detail
I still want a Link vs Everyone bonus pool. Maybe make it Link/Cloud.
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#246 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/5/2011 8:05:20 PM | message detail
Heh, this match will end up with less votes than Mario/Bowser in the end. It will probably be our lowest vote total in a day match.
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#247 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 11/5/2011 8:06:42 PM | message detail
C/D: Ryu/Ken will surpass Mario/Bowser winning % in Round 1? Maybe even break 90%?
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#248 | Haguile | Posted 11/5/2011 8:06:44 PM | message detail
The bonus poll needs to be against Barkley/Jordan of course.
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#249 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 11/5/2011 8:08:08 PM | message detail
Possibly gets beaten by Seigfried/Ramz, I mea n who cares about that match-up?
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#250 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/5/2011 8:38:39 PM | message detail
I'm imagining Ed Bellis talking about Ezio in his Yogi the Bear voice.

Instant votes.
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