GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1011
I think the biggest issue I have with this match is that, all joke aside, DK really is
a choker. That's not just a joke. it's a result of no one really caring
about him. He's going to struggle in any match that's reasonably close. If I was a smarter person, I would bank tonight. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
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KamikazePotato posted... I would take Ezio>DK without any real hesitation. There's not a reason for DK to win that. I'm banking on rivalry factor, here. lol wait, what? You're taking Ezio > DK, based on rivalries? Really?? You do realize that even the majority of people who've actually played the AC games don't know who the hell Rodrigo is, right? --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I am reasonably sure that proportionally, each game Ezio has boosts him more than DKCR boosted DK. It does raise an interesting question. New games do 2 things for a character, it brings new fans and it makes the character more relevant. AC2 was released two months before the contest started and I'm not feeling that the hype for Relevations is any higher than the talk after AC2 was released so overall I feel that it's negated. Ezio has to hope that a significant amount of people bought Brotherhood and not AC2 in order to get a boost, especially considering he isn't any more likeable/dislikeable between games. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rival Rumble: 4/4 Today: MMX/Zero & Bartz/Gilgamesh |
I
agree with Leon about the "eye test." Ezio got 60% on Simon in a (very
likely) favorable day match. Since when is DK incapable of such a feat?
Also, DK was roughly comparable to Altair in 2010 going through Vivi,
and Altair may have been stronger than Ezio back then (I'd take 59% on
Liquid over 60% on Simon). One thing that I can't recall ever really discussing, actually, are those Altair/Ezio first round matches. Altair - 59.12% on Liquid Snake Ezio - 59.71% on Simon Belmont Doesn't that make Altair seem a LOT stronger? And doesn't that really fail the eye test? I've thought about why this happened, and the only thing I can really come up with is Simon's appeal as a classic gaming character. Liquid doesn't really have that, and likely has a more similar appeal to the Assassin'd Creed guys (more similar than Simon would, anyway). Rationalizing things that way really pushed me in favor of DK/Rool. --- Yoblazer: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2hd0dh1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
KP meant that he'd take Ezio > DK, 1v1, without a second thought, but due to rivalry factor he's taking DK/K. Rool here. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
Kotetsu534 posted... KP meant that he'd take Ezio > DK, 1v1, without a second thought, but due to rivalry factor he's taking DK/K. Rool here. Ah, my mistake. Yeah, that's how I feel about it too. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
The
problem with using Altair/Liquid Snake as part of your argument is that
Liquid Snake is an enigma. I have no idea what to make of any of his
matches. --- "You know what, forget it. Nothing I can think of posting will really be of much use to anyone in any way, shape, or form." ~LinkMarioSamus |
From: swirIdude | #107 Fair point, but he's never shown that he was fail enough to be challenged by Simon Belmont. Not even close. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
This is why that Simon/Ezio result happened. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3694 Simon bulked up that year. Ezio's performance on Zelda is basically exactly what Altair would have gotten. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
You
might be right about Liquid's overlap with newer "casual" characters.
I'm thinking of the time he went toe-to-toe with Alucard, then got
destroyed by him when Halo 3-powered Master Chief arrived. --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
swirIdude posted... The problem with using Altair/Liquid Snake as part of your argument is that Liquid Snake is an enigma. I have no idea what to make of any of his matches. It's difficult, because most of Liquid's appearances are in 4-ways. I mean, the best match I can come up with for comparison is: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3248&num=4 Where he puts up a decent showing against Luigi in 2008. We have some SFF going on between Roxas and Sho (both being RPG characters), but nothing that I can tell that should directly effect Liquid's performance in the match. That said, it was also 3 years ago, he could have dropped since then. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I fail to see how DK vs K. Rool is a beneficiary of RIVALRY FACTOR. That rivalry is more "hero vs final boss" than anything Hell I think anyone who thinks they are doesn't really get the concept. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Basically I see tomorrow's match as Ezio vs DK straight up Ezio wins that one, considering we've seen Altair do slightly better against Vivi in the past than DK did, and Assassin's Creed has nowhere to go but up --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
From: IngmarBirdman | #078 Assuming every match after actually goes to plan. You never know when a fluke match will pop up that takes everyone by surprise. In which case, those who banked will actually have a nice little advantage. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy IV (FF2US) http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3445328 |
Lopen posted... I fail to see how DK vs K. Rool is a beneficiary of RIVALRY FACTOR. That rivalry is more "hero vs final boss" than anything Hell I think anyone who thinks they are doesn't really get the concept. Considering the multitude of rivalries in this contest with the exact same setup that are poised to reap the benefits from the "rivalry factor," this sounds like a very silly argument. Besides, nobody is expecting K. Rool to make DK look godlike. We just expect him to do more than the "absolutely nothing" that Rodrigo will do for Ezio. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
DK vs. K. Rool is an old rivalry that's been around for a while. That's basically all it needs to be. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
One thing Ezio has going for him is the match pic. HM managed to make Rodrigo look not as fat and uncool as I was hoping for. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
It's
not an old rivalry because it's not a rivalry at all. When I think of
Donkey Kong, hell, Donkey Kong Country even, it takes a long time for me to think about K. Rool. This board is full of DKC fanboys so I don't think this is going to resonate but hero vs final boss by itself is not going to benefit from the format, and I doubt many see DK vs K. Rool as anything more than that. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
YOU are out of touch, man. YOU are out of touch! --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
I
don't know if I can take that post seriously considering you said that
Dante/Vergil would benefit from this format more than all but 2
entrants! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
don't see what the problem with that is! It's not like maximum rivalry
factor benefit = wins the contest-- I still have Link/Ganondorf in the
final four despite thinking their overall strength gets hurt by the rivalry not adding much and no one giving a crap about Ganondorf. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
For
a rivalry to be benefited at all, you have to have actually played the
game, or at least heard of it. Dante/Vergil is very popular among DMC
fans, but it doesn't have much recognition outside of that fanbase. Really, that's why DK probably wins tonight. People at least know his rivalry. Rodrigo is one of the few people in the contest (maybe the only person, actually) that I hadn't heard of before. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I'm
of course speaking relative to the strengths of the characters in the
first place. Sol vs Ky at #4 should be the biggest issue on that list
if you thought I was going for absolute strength. Unless you're saying the majority of regular Dante voters haven't played DMC3. In which case I must disagree with you. The game is hardly obscure or anything like that. It's got a few re-releases and sales well over 5 million I believe at this point. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
DMC3 is actually the worst-selling game in the series. Blame DMC2. And yeah, most of Dante's voters probably haven't played a DMC game. He's more of a symbol/cool design than anything else. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
5 million? Pretty sure that's waaaaaaaaaaay off. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
And yeah, most of Dante's voters probably haven't played a DMC game. O.o --- Praise the Black Turtle, Game of the Decade Guru Champ. (Well, I never promised creativity, did I?!) |
I doubt most, but Dante probably does have a decent portion of his votes coming from people that haven't played the game --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rival Rumble: 4/4 Today: MMX/Zero & Bartz/Gilgamesh |
Our first good match this contest revolves around Donkey Kong. Seriously. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· I take my hat off to myself. |
VGCHARTZ says Dante's Awakening only has 1.93 million so my bad. Granted I don't entirely trust that site considering it says says DMC: SE only has 0.05 million. But it's still probably a decent ballpark. Still though, that's not really obscure. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Our first good match this contest revolves around Donkey Kong. Seriously. Match will be remembered in history if Ezio comes back in the 13th hour. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls Rival Rumble: 4/4 Today: MMX/Zero & Bartz/Gilgamesh |
It's not obscure,
I just don't think it overlaps well with GameFAQs. Modern Warfare sells
a billion copies but you would never say any rivalries from the series
would do well here. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Also, http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html Devil May Cry 4 - 2.6 million Devil May Cry - 2.16 million Devil May Cry 2 - 1.7 million Devil May Cry 3 - 1.3 million Doesn't account for special edition/rereleases, but yeah. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
don't buy that Dante is a top 15-20 guy in our contests fueled entirely
on design. That's just kinda ridiculous to me. Especially considering
the guy got a pretty decent boost in 2005 after DMC3. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
It's
not entirely by design, but it's telling when Assassin's Creed 2 vs.
DCMC1/3 would be a debatable match while Dante vs. Ezio/Altair would be a
slaughter. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Lopen posted... I don't buy that Dante is a top 15-20 guy in our contests fueled entirely on design. That's just kinda ridiculous to me. Especially considering the guy got a pretty decent boost in 2005 after DMC3. I think I've only played a DMC game for something like 20 minutes in my lifetime, and I totally vote for him from time to time. It's the "badass" factor. --- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." |
I just don't really think that means that the games have low playership here as much as people really like Dante. And as such those people will really like Dante vs Vergil. Makes more sense than people voting for Dante in droves cause OMG WHITE HAIR + TRENCHCOAT KYAA~ if you ask me. I mean yeah his design helps but not to the point where I don't think the games have been played here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
It's
hard for me to believe that when freaking Lightning got 36% on Sonic
before her game ever even came out. Most people don't get the chance to
play everything, or most games. People voting for stuff they haven't
played happens a lot, I think. Just look at today's poll! Dante gets a
decent amount of his strength from the games, but do you think he would
be anywhere near as strong if, say http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/259/6/c/the_new_dante_dmc_by_firefoxkairan-d2yty5f.jpg This was on the front page? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Well I love the games and even I wouldn't vote for that out of disgust so that doesn't really prove your point. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
And Lightning wasn't all design, that was OMG FFXIII hype too. Being in the Final Fantasy series will get yo uthat. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
From: Lopen | #118 Gangplank Galleon and K. Rool Duel are enough for me to like K. Rool! Now we'll ignore everything that happened after DKC2. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
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You
know what I'm hyped for? Seeing if x/zero can top their r1 performance
on the craptastic duo of Bartz/Gilgamesh. 85% let's do it --- I'm too tired to drive anywhere, anyway, right now, do you care if I praise Black Turtle? Call me numbers. |
For
what it's worth, Vincent would be getting 68.67% on Bartz/Gilgamesh if
Guybrush/LeChuck is equal to the same Guybrush that got destroyed by
Vincent. So X/Zero is in good shape to break 75% next round and
probably breaks 80% as well. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! |
There's something amazing about seeing a FF character doubling something in North America...and losing in Europe. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png http://i.imgur.com/FII1z.gif |
Our first good match this contest revolves around Donkey Kong. Hey, don't diss DK, he gave us the memorable DK vs. Master Chief --- ~ Rivalry Rumble Oracle Challenge ~ Rank - 55th Today's Prediction: X/Zero - 70.54% |
Our first good match this contest revolves around Donkey Kong. Seriously. What's wrong with that? Donkey Kong is good at getting himself into interesting matches. --- Pokemon VGC2011 NW Regional - Top 8 Pokemon VGC2011 US Nationals - 54th place |
Actually I didn't expect Guybrush to do this bad. I think Bartz and Gilgamesh could beat Falcon at this rate. |
Donkey Kong and K.Rool will always have their rivalry from the cartoon...! |
Speaking of Lightning, we've had some time and some matches since this vote-in poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4480 What happened to her here? On one hand, her rival likely brought her down (which we've seen with Captain Falcon's rivalry). On the other hand, they lost hard to Yuna's rivalry (which suffers from a similar issue), and Yuna may not have ever been able to do as well on Sonic as Lightning did pre-FF13. Either way, she went from advancing past a vote-in Missingno won before getting 36.14% on Sonic...to getting last place in a vote-in Raiden/Vamp won. That's a humongous difference. Do you blame the rival or the game here? --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate E P O N A. |
The rivalry, the game, and SFF sounds about right. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
