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#351 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/1/2011 8:44:37 PM | message detail
So I have not paid any attention to the board what-so-ever in filling out my bracket this year. This is on purpose.

Looking forward to calling the Stats topic my home for a while here in a couple days, though I won't be around as much due to school!
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#352 | Lopen | Posted 11/1/2011 8:48:26 PM | message detail
Me too, Extha! For the most part, anyway. I dunno if it was on purpose because I just wanted to avoid discussing this bracket to death before the contest started or not, though.
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#353 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/1/2011 8:50:39 PM | message detail
Well I wasn't even sure if I was going to fill out a bracket, but then I just decided I would be dumb to not make one here.

And of course as soon as I really looked at the bracket, I started getting excited at some of the interesting matches.
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#354 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 8:50:52 PM | message detail
I don't give credence to the idea that Dante chokes against strong competition. How many close matches has he lost? 2? The probability of losing 2 matches in which you're evenly matched with your opponent is 1 in 4. It'll take much more strangeness than that before I'll begin to question Dante's linearity.
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#355 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/1/2011 8:51:16 PM | message detail
I also didn't pay attention to the board, but I compared brackets with KP. I think I only changed one match from that, though

it's more fun this way
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#356 | Lopen | Posted 11/1/2011 8:52:22 PM | message detail
Yeah I was pretty down on the idea because it's stupid on paper, but a lot of the matches seem pretty interesting. And the format is at least potentially "different."
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#357 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/1/2011 8:54:19 PM | message detail
Every time the bracket is released I spend the first 1-2 hours away from board 8 making my bracket then I don't change it for the rest of bracket making period.
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#358 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/1/2011 9:02:05 PM | message detail | (edited)
Man, the last option is over 66% after a minute. This could get ugly after the board vote.
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#359 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/1/2011 9:10:32 PM | message detail
XFD, percentage decrease for the last option.
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#360 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 9:13:37 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #354
How many close matches has he lost? 2? The probability of losing 2 matches in which you're evenly matched with your opponent is 1 in 4.


Ryu twice and Yoshi

Funny how Riku was worth 45%+ on Dante in 2006.
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#361 | charmander6000 | Posted 11/1/2011 9:15:19 PM | message detail
I wouldn't count Ryu 2003, the only time people gave Dante a real chance was after he crushed Ryo in round 1.
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#362 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 9:18:08 PM | message detail
Pretty sure that match was fairly split in 2003, mostly because people didn't know that the X-Stats predicted a Ryu victory.
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#363 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 9:18:21 PM | message detail
Right, Ryu in 2003 wasn't close, Dante was just weaker than Ryu then and it had nothing to do with clutchness.
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#364 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 9:19:57 PM | message detail
Just a quick question.

Who's the strongest character Dante has ever beaten 1-on-1?

Ryu Hayabusa?
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#365 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/1/2011 9:21:37 PM | message detail
#366 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/1/2011 9:22:33 PM | message detail
Biggest leap in "I don't give a damn" in a while.

And it had over 73% at the board vote, which is already the highest we've ever seen that option at. And it's already jumped about 2% since the board vote ended.
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#367 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/1/2011 9:28:05 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #364
Just a quick question.

Who's the strongest character Dante has ever beaten 1-on-1?

Ryu Hayabusa?


Yes. Here is his list of 1v1 victims:

Axel
Ryu Hayabusa
Terra Branford
Miles "Tails" Prower
Ratchet
Ryo Hazuki
Q*Bert

Much of it is just unfortunate draws, but Dante has never won the big one when it counted. I'm certain he has the least impressive win collection of anyone we'd consider a near-elite.
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#368 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/1/2011 9:40:34 PM | message detail
For comparison, the most accomplished near elite is probably Squall.

Jill
Luigi
Kirby
Bomberman
Knuckles
Tidus
Akuma
Terra
Auron

I'm not sure if anyone else (sans Noble 9) has such a win collection against non-fodder. Squall desperately needs the rematch against Vincent, though. If he runs that one back, he'll earn the "#10" title without debate.
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#369 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 9:47:05 PM | message detail
Dante
Snake
Magus
Mario
Vercetti
Master Chief
Vincent
Mega Man
Bowser
Auron

Hmm....not bad at all.
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#370 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 10:06:55 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Squall still has the most overall wins out of all non-Noble Nine characters.

I'd have to double check that though.
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#371 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 11:30:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
Mega Man (x2)
Samus
Alucard
Mario (x2)
Vivi
Missingno
Tifa

Solid list, but not that spectacular for our longtime #3 Sephiroth, considering how dominant he used to be.

Pretty lacking since 2005!

Zero
Aeris
Ryu
Tifa
Luigi
Crono
Ganondorf
Kirby

Not bad at all for Sonic, more impressive than Squall's list.

Squall (x2)
Ryu
Zelda
Sora
Bowser
Yoshi
Mega Man
Sonic
Pikachu
Sephiroth

Pretty good considering that most of Snake's strong period coincided with when we moved away from 1v1s.

Sonic (x2)
Squall
Sora
Ganondorf
Tifa
Zelda
Snake

Seems a pretty short list for the Queen of SFF, but I might have not put some names down due to them not being remotely in her league. Samus has an 0-5 record against Clinkeroth + Mario.

Cloud
Crono (x3)
Bowser
Zero
Samus
Snake
Big Boss
Charizard

Good list for Mario. Impressive win record beyond his actual strength.

Fox (x2)
Pikachu
Alucard
Auron
Bowser
Sonic
Link
Sephiroth (x2)
Squall
Samus (x2)
Ryu
Snake

Now we're playing with power. Super power. Aw yeah Cloud Strife.

Snake (x2)
Zero
Leon Kennedy
Yoshi
Sonic
Ryu
Sora
Cid Highwind
Zack Fair

Solid list for Mega Man.

Sephiroth (x2)
Mario (x2)
Samus
Ganondorf
Yoshi
Crono
Mega Man
Cloud (x4)
Mega Man X
Sonic

Hail to the king!
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#372 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 11:28:52 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #371
Seems a pretty short list for the Queen of SFF


Probably because she isn't!
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#373 | WaIker | Posted 11/1/2011 11:30:19 PM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
on the contrary, I think he should have one rivarly represented in the middle, like Mario/Bowser look at each other, with everyone else around them

that's me though

well if it's a rivalry represented then that's fine because it emphasizes rivalries but it definitely shouldn't be a singular character without their rival portrayed
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#374 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 11:31:00 PM | message detail
I think I just forgot some names. But it's still a pretty short list.
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#375 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 11:32:36 PM | message detail
Surprised you didn't include Frog on Samus's list!
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#376 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 11:34:04 PM | message detail
Here's to another Link or Cloud victory! (Get out Mario/Sonic, they should have been in just so we could watch Link/Ganon beat them and laugh as this site's superior taste recognizes that Link is such a tremendously great character that he is better than Mario, Sonic, and their rivalry combined all by himself)
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#377 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 11:36:00 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #376
Here's to another Link or Cloud victory! (Get out Mario/Sonic, they should have been in just so we could watch Link/Ganon beat them and laugh as this site's superior taste recognizes that Link is such a tremendously great character that he is better than Mario, Sonic, and their rivalry combined all by himself)


I normally shake off your silly posts as just that--silly--but this is gross.
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#378 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 11:40:59 PM | message detail
Sorry, it's too funny saying things like that.

Though I actually would really like to see that match. It'd be really gratifying to see Link win, and if Cloud beat him next, it would make that win all the sweeter.
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#379 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2011 11:44:34 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #378
It'd be really gratifying to see Link win


I didn't realize there was still any sort of gratification attached to Link winning anymore.
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#380 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2011 11:47:50 PM | message detail
I didn't realize there was still any sort of gratification attached to Link winning anymore.

When people hype up an opponent as a serious challenge to him, there is! Besides, Link has lost 25% of contests he's been in. That means he's only won 75%. That's not very high at all.....it means that the odds of Link losing, based on past contests, are the same as flipping heads twice in a row. Scary to think how easy it is for Link to lose in these things!
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#381 | Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2011 12:44:13 AM | message detail
Am I the only person that thinks instead of Link/Ganondorf, it should have been Link/Navi?

Listen! Hey, listen!!
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#382 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2011 12:50:19 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #380
Link has lost 25% of contests he's been in. That means he's only won 75%. That's not very high at all.....it means that the odds of Link losing, based on past contests, are the same as flipping heads twice in a row. Scary to think how easy it is for Link to lose in these things!


Jesus... no sleep for me tonight.
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#383 | LeonhartFour | Posted 11/2/2011 9:42:31 AM | message detail
Feels weird thinking that the contest is starting tonight. Still doesn't feel like it.
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#384 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/2/2011 10:14:35 AM | message detail
Link Chomsky, Professional Troll.
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#385 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2011 11:09:23 AM | message detail
This is now a 10% jump in the "don't give a damn" category compared to last time. Considering that number was already 68%, that's ****ing enormous. You know, it's actually very impressive that a single option can dominate a 5-way poll so badly. This rarely happens and is easily a bigger blowout than we have ever seen in any contest match. I wonder how many polls in GameFAQs history have had singular options this dominant.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2620
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2625

There ya go. The most hyped game in site history (at the time, it easily was) versus stuff that would get obliterated by contest fodder. That's what it takes.
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#386 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2011 11:16:31 AM | message detail
Vote totals today are very poor. Only 9096 votes after 6 hours and just 16698 votes after 12 hours, meaning this poll should barely break 30000 votes. Of course, these bracket polls have always had bad vote totals and none of them have ever finished above 70000 votes.

There's only been 6 polls (including today's poll) this year with under 10000 votes after 6 hours and they've all finished under 35000 votes. And 2 other polls failed to break 10000 votes before 6:00 AM because they started after 1:00 AM because of a poll glitch, although they don't count as polls to legitimately fail to break 10000 votes after 6 hours.
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#387 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2011 11:56:55 AM | message detail
The following pages are all online now:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_stats.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_battle_stats.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_bracket.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_mybracket.html

The "rivals_bracket.html" page was online since bracket entries were opened, but the other 3 pages were just put online earlier. Check out the battle stats page, because it shows that there are 12551 battle picks (the page will usually display 12530 instead of 12551) right now. Overall, that's pretty poor and probably confirms that we will most likely have between 16000 and 22000 brackets.
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#388 | ZFS | Posted 11/2/2011 12:06:28 PM | message detail
red sox is now entering the stage where he doesn't even know who he wants to win anymore

i can just see cloud/sephiroth winning, who he pushed for, and then regretting that LINK didn't dominate another contest !
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#389 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/2/2011 12:07:29 PM | message detail
80% of the site doesn't care about this contest and vote totals are REALLY bad.

Fictional characters or games with no gimmicks are basically the only fresh ideas left.
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#390 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/2/2011 12:48:32 PM | message detail
Nah, my basic premise is that there are 3 characters who deserve to win contests: Crono, Link, and Cloud, and in that order. The reason I support Cloud over Link is that Link isn't so far ahead of Cloud that he needs to win 6 contests to 1 of Cloud's. 2 or 3 to 1 is a fair ratio, IMO.
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#391 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/2/2011 1:00:42 PM | message detail
There's room for a normal character battle with Link out, IMO. With great bracket making Link could be kept in, but that's not likely.
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#392 | pjbasis | Posted 11/2/2011 1:04:21 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #389
Fictional characters or games with no gimmicks are basically the only fresh ideas left.


MMM.

I do like this Rivalry contest though, if only for the extra buffer it gives between "main" contests.
#393 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/2/2011 1:09:06 PM | message detail
Is anyone considering taking Jill/Nemesis over Kirby/Meta-Knight? Based on last year, Jill looks like she'd get around 45% against Kirby, and we can probably add perhaps 2% more onto that for the night match this year, as Kirby has one of the worst night votes there are. With some site demographic shifting (such as from the loss of a huge percentage of our voters), it look like it could be possible.
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#394 | Omegaroy | Posted 11/2/2011 1:10:52 PM | message detail
I'm really wondering what Big Boss/The Boss is going to pull off.
I doubt they'll beat Metroid, but Snake always plays even with Metroid.

Also, if Bosses beat FFX, it adds more weight to the fact that this *might* be the Year where MGS Beats FF in the form of Snakes beating FFVII.

That being said, it's a longshot. Link/Ganondorf got a ridiculous chance of winning, followed by Mario/Bowser. FFVII would have a good chance if it wasn't for Link/Ganon and Snakes... But there's just not a high chance they can top both of them... AND THEN MARIO/BOWSER.
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#395 | Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 11/2/2011 1:12:22 PM | message detail
Cloud/Sephiroth > Tidus/Jecht by a LOT more than Snakes > Bosses
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#396 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/2/2011 1:14:28 PM | message detail | (edited)
Mario/Bowser has a very very low chance of beating Link/Ganon, so they have a very low chance of winning the contest, as they're probably not going to beat any team that can beat Link/Ganon either. Whichever team wins the Link/Cloud match pretty much has the contest locked up.
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#397 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2011 1:16:16 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: red sox 777 | #393
Is anyone considering taking Jill/Nemesis over Kirby/Meta-Knight? Based on last year, Jill looks like she'd get around 45% against Kirby, and we can probably add perhaps 2% more onto that for the night match this year, as Kirby has one of the worst night votes there are. With some site demographic shifting (such as from the loss of a huge percentage of our voters), it look like it could be possible.


Jill is already extrapolated through a night match (her loss against Samus was at night) and through Samus's potential overperformance on Cloud. Believe me, I want to pick this more than anyone else, but it's just too risky, even with MvC3 and the theory of sinking votals changing up our demographics.

EDIT: Also, Kirby took a hit in the stats after Sonic failed hard against Link.
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#398 | red sox 777 | Posted 11/2/2011 1:18:54 PM | message detail
Jill is already extrapolated through a night match (her loss against Samus was at night) and through Samus's potential overperformance on Cloud. Believe me, I want to pick this more than anyone else, but it's just too risky, even with MvC3 and the theory of sinking votals changing up our demographics.

True, but Kirby is also extrapolated through a day match. My 55-45 figure was from just setting Sonic at 40% on Samus, by the way, which I think is pretty reasonable. I didn't even think of MvC3 earlier......I'll give it a few hours to think over, and maybe make a last minute bracket change on this one. It is something that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the bracket the first time, so it wouldn't be second guessing myself.
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#399 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2011 1:54:25 PM | message detail
Yesterday, I sent a feedback ticket asking Allen if he was planning to allow actual Pokemon (namely, Charizard and Blastoise) to share picture space with the Trainers. He hasn't responded yet and probably won't before brackets close. Thinking about it, I doubt he will. For character contests, There has never been a precedent of allowing anything other than the listed entrants in match pictures.
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#400 | LOLContests | Posted 11/2/2011 2:10:26 PM | message detail | (edited)
There has never been a precedent of allowing anything other than the listed entrants in match pictures.

Clank was in a pic with Ratchet one time, I believe.

Edit: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=27
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